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hoojacks said:
lmao how much a sociopath do you have to be to deny someone basic respect because you have to think for half a second before opening your mouth
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I still call him Austin. I catch myself saying Doug every time. It is annoying.
 
He could have changed his last name and nobody that's known him for years would have to overcome their rote memory EVERY time you talk to him.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
I still call him Austin. I catch myself saying Doug every time. It is annoying.
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So how is that different than using someone's preferred pronouns?

Like, it's difficult sometimes, especially in a rapid-fire conversation. I sometimes slip up, but I've never met someone who got offended over a mistake.

But refusing to even try? That's just shitty.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Your line in the sand is “very slightly inconvenienced”?

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I'm not even slightly inconvenienced. I don't know anyone that uses they. I'm saying they need to pick something else. By they, I mean the group of people that want to use the word they for something different than it was intended.

I wonder if they (still the group here) picked they so they (still the group here) would see how far we (not just me but society as a whole) were willing to go.
 
hoojacks said:
So how is that different than using someone's preferred pronouns?

Like, it's difficult sometimes, especially in a rapid-fire conversation. I sometimes slip up, but I've never met someone who got offended over a mistake.

But refusing to even try? That's just shitty.
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Haven't had to try. If I meet someone who asks me to call them they I will tell them exactly what I'm saying here. I'll even ask if they (seems normal here) want me to think of a better word. Something cooler and not hard to keep track of.

Maybe I'll even ask my sister to explain it to me. She's not Transgender but being married to a woman she knows more about this than I do. Maybe she'll be able to explain why they want they.
 
"They" has been used as a singular pronoun for a subject whose sex is unknown for centuries. The disconnect most people have is that it's usually only used to refer to someone who is not present. So, it's really not that big of a jump to use it as you normally would as a gender neutral singular pronoun, but for someone who IS present. In the grand scheme of language evolution, it's a minuscule semantic shift, and the rewards of making that change outweigh the minor mental gymnastics required to get used to it. (Unless you're a god-fearing real American and not some shitlib cuck, of course.)

I'm not going to speak for people whose pronoun is "they," but I think part of the push to use it is because it's already used as a gender neutral singular pronoun, and it's easier for normies to accept it than something like "zhe".
 
hoojacks said:
"They" has been used as a singular pronoun for a subject whose sex is unknown for centuries. The disconnect most people have is that it's usually only used to refer to someone who is not present. So, it's really not that big of a jump to use it as you normally would as a gender neutral singular pronoun, but for someone who IS present. In the grand scheme of language evolution, it's a minuscule semantic shift, and the rewards of making that change outweigh the minor mental gymnastics required to get used to it. (Unless you're a god-fearing real American and not some shitlib cuck, of course.)

I'm not going to speak for people whose pronoun is "they," but I think part of the push to use it is because it's already used as a gender neutral singular pronoun, and it's easier for normies to accept it than something like "zhe".
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Hmm, good info. Still not a big deal anyway. Maybe I'll start calling cis males they to get used to it and see who gets offended.
 
Yeah they was something non-binary folks started choosing precisely because it isn’t some new made up word; it was supposed to make things easier on the others in their lives.
 
Denny Crane said:
Fuck 'em.

Who cares what they think?
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At an individual level it wears on you; but stuff like what I mentioned with the ridiculous penalty? That works on a higher level... it erodes goodwill or acceptance we’ve worked hard to gain. It makes us a punchline in a joke we didn’t tell. Instead of just getting misgendered, there might be a super clever joke like “oops I mean SSSHHHHEEEEE, don’t want to go to jail if you get mad and snitch on me” that tags along for the ride. It normalizes not taking us seriously.

I mean, look: trans people who are accepted by family and friends have a normal suicide rate of 4%. Those who don’t get this acceptance have a suicide rate of 58%. Acceptance is kind of important. People who misgender trans people on purpose because of whatever reason contribute to this. Maybe a stranger glaring at you and making the sign of the cross doesn’t affect you very much, but if it’s your brother misgender if you because they will just never get used to it and don’t want to try? That might contribute a bit more.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
At an individual level it wears on you; but stuff like what I mentioned with the ridiculous penalty? That works on a higher level... it erodes goodwill or acceptance we’ve worked hard to gain. It makes us a punchline in a joke we didn’t tell. Instead of just getting misgendered, there might be a super clever joke like “oops I mean SSSHHHHEEEEE, don’t want to go to jail if you get mad and snitch on me” that tags along for the ride. It normalizes not taking us seriously.

I mean, look: trans people who are accepted by family and friends have a normal suicide rate of 4%. Those who don’t get this acceptance have a suicide rate of 58%. Acceptance is kind of important. People who misgender trans people on purpose because of whatever reason contribute to this. Maybe a stranger glaring at you and making the sign of the cross doesn’t affect you very much, but if it’s your brother misgender if you because they will just never get used to it and don’t want to try? That might contribute a bit more.
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I don't think much of the law. They seem like rules that the businesses would normally adopt, and that most would.

Like I said, "Fuck 'em" and it doesn't matter about acceptance and suicide rates. As long as they're not throwing stuff at you (like a brick). Be comfortable with who you are and it'll be contagious.
 
Denny Crane said:
I don't think much of the law. They seem like rules that the businesses would normally adopt, and that most would.

Like I said, "Fuck 'em" and it doesn't matter about acceptance and suicide rates. As long as they're not throwing stuff at you (like a brick). Be comfortable with who you are and it'll be contagious.
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Spoken like a true libertarian. Unfortunately, individuals exist in the context of their friends, family, and culture. "Fuck em" isn't always an option.
 
noknobs said:
I've had a Mormon tell me I'm going straight to hell because I was having coffee.
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My mom told me I was going to hell for saying morality could exist without Christ Jesus once... she's mellowed out in the last 10 years :lol:
 
hoojacks said:
Spoken like a true libertarian. Unfortunately, individuals exist in the context of their friends, family, and culture. "Fuck em" isn't always an option.
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So the option is to resort to brainwashing or torture (or whatever) to force people to somehow make people believe what you want them to?

Or you can say "fuck 'em" and what they believe doesn't matter one bit.
 
Denny Crane said:
So the option is to resort to brainwashing or torture (or whatever) to force people to somehow make people believe what you want them to?
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Asking people to us my correct pronouns is brainwashing?! What the actual fuck?
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Using people's correct pronouns is brainwashing?! What the actual fuck?
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If they won't use the correct pronouns, then what?

Torture them until they will?

That's my point.

You can't really make someone's attitude change like that.
 
Denny Crane said:
If they won't use the correct pronouns, then what?

Torture them until they will?

That's my point.

You can't really make someone's attitude change like that.
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Well if they are a medical professional I'm sure a criminal conviction will hurt future employment opportunities.
 
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