Campaigning for the Olympics is bad?

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maxiep said:
Jesus, the ignorance of people who have never lived in Chicago is mindblowing.
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Having spent two months in Chicago I can say Chicago has some great things. Barfo is wrong in his claim about Chicago's history, it's a city with great historical importance and a wonderful place to visit. But I agree with Barfo 100% that it isn't much different than any other major city for what it has to offer today, and he is right about the weather being garbage.
 
maxiep said:
Jesus, the ignorance of people who have never lived in Chicago is mindblowing.
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Perhaps my standards are just higher than yours.

barfo
 
I was born in Chicago! But I would have voted for Rio if I had a vote.
 
maxiep said:
Historically, the Olympics have been funded by the cities themselves and the private corporations set up to run them. Valerie Jarrett was a lobbyist for the Chicago 2016 Olympic Games effort, and she's President Obama's Karl Rove. David Axelrod also worked on the Chicago's effort. The Chicago Political Machine has also been a huge backer of President Obama. Furthermore, there has been a discussion of the Federal Government offering subsidies to the City of Chicago to help them defray the costs of Olympic games. A lot of the people who would benefit financially from the Olympic Games have also been financial backers of President Obama's political ambitions.

In other words, it's tough to discern when President Obama is acting like Head of State or when he's acting as a lobbyist for his friends. All I know is no sitting president has ever lobbied the IOC to bring the Olympics to thier country, much less their hometown. Furthermore, I don't like paying for two separate planes to fly the President and the First Lady to personally pitch the Olympics in Chicago. I wonder what we would think if a president flew abroad to pitch why the US should get some piece of business for a private entity?
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You should write for the National Enquirer. You could even find "dirt" here:

http://www.eastman.com/Brands/Eastman_EastaPure/Pages/Clean_Room.aspx

If by "friends" you had meant every single resident of Chicago, Dems, Reps, Inds...then there'd be something to agree on.

The entire city profits in many different ways from hosting an Olympics, if they do it right.

Developers and builders, largely a right-wing conservative bunch, would profit the most financially.

Why no outcry from the Dems denouncing Obama for stuffing the personal coffers of all these conservatives?
 
maxiep said:
Unbelievable. Michelle Obama wants the Olympics because of her father and President Obama can't stop talking about himself. And people called Bill Clinton egotistical.
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The most powerful man IN THE WORLD egotistical?

Please explain how that is possible? :confused:
 
MARIS61 said:
The entire city profits in many different ways from hosting an Olympics, if they do it right.

Developers and builders, largely a right-wing conservative bunch, would profit the most financially.

Why no outcry from the Dems denouncing Obama for stuffing the personal coffers of all these conservatives?
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You clearly don't understand Chicago commercial real estate. The entire establishment is beholden to the Chicago political machine.
 
maxiep said:
You clearly don't understand Chicago commercial real estate. The entire establishment is beholden to the Chicago political machine.
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The Daley/Dem machine is really just a puppet of the GOP. :biglaugh::biglaugh:
 
barfo said:
I did notice that you couldn't refute anything I said, however.

barfo
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No need. I lived there, you haven't. You can feel free to tell me about any place I haven't lived.
 
maxiep said:
No need. I lived there, you haven't. You can feel free to tell me about any place I haven't lived.
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For someone talking about "ignorance", it seems surprising you'd be telling me where I've lived and where I haven't. I suspect you might be ignorant about that subject. Feel free to prove me wrong about that by listing the places I've lived.

In any case, living there is hardly relevant. It's the visitor perspective that matters for this discussion.

barfo
 
barfo said:
For someone talking about "ignorance", it seems surprising you'd be telling me where I've lived and where I haven't. I suspect you might be ignorant about that subject. Feel free to prove me wrong about that by listing the places I've lived.

In any case, living there is hardly relevant. It's the visitor perspective that matters for this discussion.

barfo
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I'm lovin every minute of it.:drumroll:
 
Barfo has lived beneath the crust of the earth and ate cheese with the man on the moon on a neutral gray landscape. Barfo has experienced the lushness of New Zealand and the brutal red desert of Mars; walked harsh lines in the sands of Australia's barren flats and floated through the deadly gasses of Jupiter.
 
You know how barfo served three tours in 'Nam? Well, I'm in Corpus Christi on business a month ago, and I had this eight-foot tall Asian waiter which made me a little curious, so I asked him his name, and sure enough it's Ho Tran barfo!

I remember one time barfo took his family to Sea World... they were watching Shamu the whale when barfo got splashed! So barfo yells, 'I'm barfo and no one gets me wet!' So he climbs into the tank, grabs Shamu and throws the whale into the audience, splashes him and yells, 'How do you like it?!' And then damn if barfo didn't step in there and finish the show!
 
barfo said:
For someone talking about "ignorance", it seems surprising you'd be telling me where I've lived and where I haven't. I suspect you might be ignorant about that subject. Feel free to prove me wrong about that by listing the places I've lived.
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Okay, how long did you live in Chicago? How much time have you spent there? If you have lived in Chicago, I'll happily retract what I said and we'll agree to disagree. Also, please list all the places you have lived. You seem to feel free sharing your opinions, but never supplying the basis for your opiinions.

barfo said:
In any case, living there is hardly relevant. It's the visitor perspective that matters for this discussion.

barfo
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I sense a backtrack here. You're now placing yourself as the "visitor" vs. someone who actually lived there, and claiming that view is superior. Who would know more about a city, a visitor or a resident? You may know about the Sears Tower, Grant Park and the Magnificent Mile, but would you know about all the amazing ethnic neighborhoods? The remarkable architecture in Oak Park? The waterfront that runs from the Midway to Evanston? The unbelievable art museums and cultural offerings? The best food scene in the country?

Until you prove me wrong, I'll continue to state that your view is based on ignorance.
 
maxiep- post a picture of yourself in your avatar. I always envision you as a woman in these debates. I'm also curious if you're hot.
 
KingSpeed said:
maxiep- post a picture of yourself in your avatar. I always envision you as a woman in these debates. I'm also curious if you're hot.
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I'm male, and sadly I'm not hot. You can ask my wife and my ex-girlfriends.
 
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