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If billionaires voted only their financial self-interest, they'd support Trump not Pete. Trump's tax cut is a huge gift/grift.

As for 'establishment', I don't know. I am not sure it has any actual meaning beyond 'everyone but my favored candidate'.

barfo
Trump comes with costs, too. He's an idiot and could tank the economy at any moment. He's fine for coal billionaires or Mark Zuckerberg, but he makes a lot of old-school free trade billionaires very nervous. Granted he's better than Bernie for the obscenely wealthy, but I don't think he's clearly better than a "moderate" "Democrat"
 
Trump comes with costs, too. He's an idiot and could tank the economy at any moment. He's fine for coal billionaires or Mark Zuckerberg, but he makes a lot of old-school free trade billionaires very nervous. Granted he's better than Bernie for the obscenely wealthy, but I don't think he's clearly better than a "moderate" "Democrat"

Certainly true about Trump, but I don't really expect any huge crossover of Republican billionaires to vote for a democrat in this or any other election. If there are billionaires that are supporting moderate democrats this year, they probably support moderate democrats in every election.

barfo
 
Since Minstrel brought up abortion: I don't really understand what religious types have against abortion. Isn't it hurrying the little ones into Jesus's embrace all the faster? Shouldn't we pity the ones NOT aborted, as they have spend some time in this corrupt vale of tears, and risk being drawn from the true path and ending up damned for all eternity?
 
Since Minstrel brought up abortion: I don't really understand what religious types have against abortion. Isn't it hurrying the little ones into Jesus's embrace all the faster? Shouldn't we pity the ones NOT aborted, as they have spend some time in this corrupt vale of tears, and risk being drawn from the true path and ending up damned for all eternity?
Theres only like 400 other threads where ABM talks about his views on abortion and all that, lets make this one into another.
 
Theres only like 400 other threads where ABM talks about his views on abortion and all that, lets make this one into another.
As you've read them and I don't want to, what's his answer to the whole "straight to heaven is obviously better" thing?
 
If Biden somehow loses SC, then it effectively becomes a 2-person democratic race - Bernie vs. Bloomberg. It'll then be a very interesting equation: A far-left-leaning Socialist (some even call Communist) vs. someone with absolutely no relevant platform who is reduced to simple Trump-bashing, while dumping hundreds of millions into advertising.

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If Biden somehow loses SC, then it effectively becomes a 2-person democratic race - Bernie vs. Bloomberg. It'll then be a very interesting equation: A far-left-leaning Socialist (some even call Communist) vs. someone with absolutely no relevant platform who is reduced to simple Trump-bashing, while dumping hundreds of millions into advertising.

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Well, there's always the Azores.
 
I'm sure you'd like that, but no thanks, if nothing else, I still think you're good for batting practice every now and then.

And I never asked you who you'd be voting for. I ask you if you were "selling all your assets and moving to the Azores, why would you care about Trump/GOP, one way or another?"
An American living abroad does not lose the right to vote. Also, living outside the U.S. doesn't mean that you might not like to come back. If you come back some day you might want a government with policies that you are attracted to. Also, if you feel strongly about abortion because you have a moral point of view then you might like to see someone in office who shares your views on the subject.

My only point of contention with ABM on the subject of a woman's right to choose is two fold:
1. Trump's view on the subject is strictly because he wants to votes of those who oppose abortion else he doesn't care one whit whether abortion is legal or not. He once held a view accepting abortion;
2. Right or wrong, it's up to the affected woman to decide whether we like her decision or not. It's really none of our business what she does to her body to a point. The Supreme Court has decided that point to be when a fetus is 6 months old at which point abortion is really manslaughter unless there are certain extenuating circumstances such as where the woman's life is at stake.

It's a tough subject where both sides have points that we should all respect.
 
An American living abroad does not lose the right to vote. Also, living outside the U.S. doesn't mean that you might not like to come back. If you come back some day you might want a government with policies that you are attracted to. Also, if you feel strongly about abortion because you have a moral point of view then you might like to see someone in office who shares your views on the subject.

My only point of contention with ABM on the subject of a woman's right to choose is two fold:
1. Trump's view on the subject is strictly because he wants to votes of those who oppose abortion else he doesn't care one whit whether abortion is legal or not. He once held a view accepting abortion;
2. Right or wrong, it's up to the affected woman to decide whether we like her decision or not. It's really none of our business what she does to her body to a point. The Supreme Court has decided that point to be when a fetus is 6 months old at which point abortion is really manslaughter unless there are certain extenuating circumstances such as where the woman's life is at stake.

It's a tough subject where both sides have points that we should all respect.

Living outside the US as a dual citizen is one thing but selling everything you have and moving out of the US to another country is something else. Unless I'm mistaken, to be able to vote you still must have a residency in the US and there's also some other rules/laws pertaining to citizenship that I'd have to look up.
My reply to abm was based purely on his response to barfo's post.
 

You should be looking at a philosophy type. Warren and Sanders have a similar philosophy while Buttigieg, Biden, Klobuchar, Bloomberg and Steyer have similar philosophies. Lumping them that way gives the moderates a higher percentage approval than the Liberal Warren and Sanders philosophy.
 
If Biden somehow loses SC, then it effectively becomes a 2-person democratic race - Bernie vs. Bloomberg.

1. Biden is already dead in the water - he can't campaign without insulting people. BUT
2. Bloomberg hasn't even appeared on the ballot yet, so only a fool would make predictions about him now. Sure he's got a ton of cash, but so has Steyer, and he's spent it too, and it's done squat.
3. Warren (whom the press are trying their hardest to pretend doesn't exist), Buttigieg and even Klobuchar have done better than Biden (or Bloomberg, of course).


It'll then be a very interesting equation: A far-left-leaning Socialist (some* even call Communist) vs. someone with absolutely no relevant platform who is reduced to simple Trump-bashing, while dumping hundreds of millions into advertising.
Those "some" consist of Republican trolls, hoping it'll scare their geriatric voters. And possibly just morons who don't know what the word means.
 
You should be looking at a philosophy type. Warren and Sanders have a similar philosophy while Buttigieg, Biden, Klobuchar, Bloomberg and Steyer have similar philosophies. Lumping them that way gives the moderates a higher percentage approval than the Liberal Warren and Sanders philosophy.
Just like Bush Sr. and Perot had a higher "Anti-Clinton" percentage approval than Bill, so he didn't get elected.
 
1. Biden is already dead in the water - he can't campaign without insulting people. BUT
2. Bloomberg hasn't even appeared on the ballot yet, so only a fool would make predictions about him now. Sure he's got a ton of cash, but so has Steyer, and he's spent it too, and it's done squat.
3. Warren (whom the press are trying their hardest to pretend doesn't exist), Buttigieg and even Klobuchar have done better than Biden (or Bloomberg, of course).



Those "some" consist of Republican trolls, hoping it'll scare their geriatric voters. And possibly just morons who don't know what the word (communist) means.

It's OK. Bernie doesn't seem to mind.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...972-i-dont-mind-people-calling-me-a-communist
 
You should be looking at a philosophy type. Warren and Sanders have a similar philosophy while Buttigieg, Biden, Klobuchar, Bloomberg and Steyer have similar philosophies. Lumping them that way gives the moderates a higher percentage approval than the Liberal Warren and Sanders philosophy.
Hilarious.

There could be a thousand candidates who share a similar “philosophy type”. Only one person can be dubbed President per election cycle, so it’s a worthless fucking metric. It literally means nothing. It’s another pathetic attempt at spin by the establishment media. They desperately need SOME way to make Bernie appear less of the obvious front runner, so they make up dumb ass graphics and pretend metrics to achieve their goal.
 
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1. Biden is already dead in the water - he can't campaign without insulting people. BUT
2. Bloomberg hasn't even appeared on the ballot yet, so only a fool would make predictions about him now. Sure he's got a ton of cash, but so has Steyer, and he's spent it too, and it's done squat.
3. Warren (whom the press are trying their hardest to pretend doesn't exist), Buttigieg and even Klobuchar have done better than Biden (or Bloomberg, of course).



Those "some" consist of Republican trolls, hoping it'll scare their geriatric voters. And possibly just morons who don't know what the word means.
For real though, some of Bernie's stuff is borderline communism. The definition contains a lot of different things depending on what definition you want to go with but, Karl Marx advocated class wars, worker control, and taking away the power of the ruling class. It seems to me that many of his followers at least do want to engage in a class war with the ultra-rich, are working for worker-control and unionization. We can play with words and definitions all we want to call him a communist, a social democrat, a democrat, a socialist, whatever but that's all semantics at the end of the day. So you can call me a moron I don't really care, but his ideology is at the very least somewhere off on the side of large government spending, socializing things that are mostly privatized right now and at odds with the bourgeoisie. I'm not even really passing judgment on if those are good or bad things, but that's basically his platform or at least what most of his vocal online "base" seem to view as his platform.
 
Actually, no. We're currently in the process of selling all of our assets and moving to The Azores.

That's a good choice, the Azores are very nice. Do you speak Portuguese?

barfo
 
1. Biden is already dead in the water - he can't campaign without insulting people. BUT
2. Bloomberg hasn't even appeared on the ballot yet, so only a fool would make predictions about him now. Sure he's got a ton of cash, but so has Steyer, and he's spent it too, and it's done squat.
3. Warren (whom the press are trying their hardest to pretend doesn't exist), Buttigieg and even Klobuchar have done better than Biden (or Bloomberg, of course).



Those "some" consist of Republican trolls, hoping it'll scare their geriatric voters. And possibly just morons who don't know what the word means.
Why are you leaving out delegate leading Buttigieg?
And rising star Klobuchar?
 
Oh look, the "Washington Examiner" - a paper owned by the Moonies! What an august, trustworthy organ. Also you mean "the Bernie of NEARLY FIFTY YEARS AGO" didn't mind the label. I didn't mind being called a toddler back then, although I wouldn't appreciate it now.

Heh. It's kinda fun to watch you in action. You're kinda like a Cup-lite. ;)

At any rate, sorry to hit your funny bone with the communist references. Certainly didn't mean to tickle your sabers.

Well, yeah, while Bernie's most likely not a communist in the pure sense, he's certainly a lot more left-leaning that your every day American Democrat. So much so, I believe the party leaders will be doing all they can to keep him from becoming the nominee. Shoot, even Bill Clinton's guy, James Carville, calls him an ideologue. Funny stuff....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/politics/bernie-sanders-james-carville-criticism/index.html
 
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