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oldfisherman said:
I have struggled for decades over the abortion topic. One religion says it is a human life when conceived, another religion says when it is born and takes its first breath.

I also spent decades trying to find the true God by investigating many religions. I failed. Religions are run by people that get tempted and corrupted by the power it gives them. They all have set up rules that support their agendas.

I did find God, in nature. And found the answer to the abortion issue.

If you stop the heartbeat of any living creature, you kill it. That is the law of nature.

A human fetus develops a heartbeat from as early as 5.5 weeks, and almost always by 7 weeks.

Therefore, if a heartbeat can be detected in an unborn human. And you stop that heartbeat. That is murder!
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So I gather than you are against assisted suicide, heart transplants and any disconnection of life support, even for the brain-dead?

barfo
 
He'll never win.
A:The electoral college is what thrust Trump on us and it can happen again. Bernie would not get the Mid west and South demographic areas.
B. People think Bernie is over 80 and too frail.
C. NY accents never win over the clueless citizens in the rust belt and deep South of the country.
D. Elizabeth Warren will remind all of us about his opinion of female presidents.
E. His own party would not whole heartily support him due to his personality.
I would actually like to hear a Trump Sanders debate.
 
oldfisherman said:
I have struggled for decades over the abortion topic. One religion says it is a human life when conceived, another religion says when it is born and takes its first breath.

I also spent decades trying to find the true God by investigating many religions. I failed. Religions are run by people that get tempted and corrupted by the power it gives them. They all have set up rules that support their agendas.

I did find God, in nature. And found the answer to the abortion issue.

If you stop the heartbeat of any living creature, you kill it. That is the law of nature.

A human fetus develops a heartbeat from as early as 5.5 weeks, and almost always by 7 weeks.

Therefore, if a heartbeat can be detected in an unborn human. And you stop that heartbeat. That is murder!
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Which is all great and I would be on board with people who felt this way within the conservative group of people if they didn’t treat everyone else like shit.
 
Lanny said:
When I was a kid there were no Jews in Oswego. The first Jew must have moved into Lake Oswego which didn't come into being until very nearly 1960.
In the beginning of summer 1959 we moved to Portland where I suddenly experienced a lot of Jewish kids most of whom I still remember. I could name them all or nearly all right now.
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Nonsense. Close to 10% Jewish.
 
Lanny said:
When I was a kid there were no Jews in Oswego. The first Jew must have moved into Lake Oswego which didn't come into being until very nearly 1960.
In the beginning of summer 1959 we moved to Portland where I suddenly experienced a lot of Jewish kids most of whom I still remember. I could name them all or nearly all right now.
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this seems...a little unlikely. There were no Jewish people?
 
As a man, when i hear or read other men talking about abortion and what women should do it’s aaaaaamazing to me. My god this would never happen if men were the ones who could get pregnant. Can you for a SECOND imagine everyone telling men who had random sex they couldn’t get abortions? Lolololol. What a shit show that would be. “You know, Frank, I realize you had sex with that girl last month and now you’re pregnant, and that’s too bad, but you need to go ahead and have that baby and raise it alone good luck man”. Fuck that. Men need to shut the hell up.
 
calvin natt said:
As a man, when i hear or read other men talking about abortion and what women should do it’s aaaaaamazing to me. My god this would never happen if men were the ones who could get pregnant. Can you for a SECOND imagine everyone telling men who had random sex they couldn’t get abortions? Lolololol. What a shit show that would be. “You know, Frank, I realize you had sex with that girl last month and now you’re pregnant, and that’s too bad, but you need to go ahead and have that baby and raise it alone good luck man”. Fuck that. Men need to shut the hell up.
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Personally, I've always felt that men should have no say so on the issue. Ultimately, I believe it should be strictly up to the female.
 
calvin natt said:
As a man, when i hear or read other men talking about abortion and what women should do it’s aaaaaamazing to me. My god this would never happen if men were the ones who could get pregnant. Can you for a SECOND imagine everyone telling men who had random sex they couldn’t get abortions? Lolololol. What a shit show that would be. “You know, Frank, I realize you had sex with that girl last month and now you’re pregnant, and that’s too bad, but you need to go ahead and have that baby and raise it alone good luck man”. Fuck that. Men need to shut the hell up.
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Like Kamala Harris asked Kavanaugh, is there any men's health care she gets to decide about?
 
calvin natt said:
As a man, when i hear or read other men talking about abortion and what women should do it’s aaaaaamazing to me. My god this would never happen if men were the ones who could get pregnant. Can you for a SECOND imagine everyone telling men who had random sex they couldn’t get abortions? Lolololol. What a shit show that would be. “You know, Frank, I realize you had sex with that girl last month and now you’re pregnant, and that’s too bad, but you need to go ahead and have that baby and raise it alone good luck man”. Fuck that. Men need to shut the hell up.
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Agree 100%.

Men have no credibility in this debate, regardless of their position.

It's a women's issue, which should be decided by American Citizens who are biological females.

No man, trans-gender, or biological male who identifies as a female has a horse in this race, and they should neither condemn nor support either side.
 
crandc said:
Like Kamala Harris asked Kavanaugh, is there any men's health care she gets to decide about?
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Most of them.

For instance, Obamacare would never have been crammed illegally down our throats without the votes of mental midgets like Harris, Pelosi, (+all the other loony leftist females).

None of the thousands of un-Constitutional gun confiscation laws would have passed in states and cities.

Women are the primary supporters of Sanctuary cities and states which protect and unleash thousands of convicted murderers on a continual basis.

Women are the #1 pushers of forced vaccination by government, the #1 opponents of School Choice (public schools teach only the government's desired views on healthcare which are certainly debatable).

Socialism/Communism in America is supported by very few males, but females in America generally have little to no understanding of US history, the horrific history of Communism worldwide, the concept of Freedom and the live and let live environment needed for it to exist...

Communism is the #1 cause of premature death of humans on Earth since humans invented government.
 
MARIS61 said:
For instance, Obamacare would never have been crammed illegally down our throats without the votes of mental midgets like Harris
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Kamala Harris wasn't in the Senate, or in any post in Washington DC, when more affordable health care was legally crammed down your throat (which was 2010).
 
Minstrel said:
Kamala Harris wasn't in the Senate, or in any post in Washington DC, when more affordable health care was legally crammed down your throat (which was 2010).
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First of all, Obamacare is not affordable. Stop lying about that. It's the most expensive healthcare insurance ever known in America, perhaps in the world. The actual cost per insured person to fund the Ponzi scheme is somewhere around $6,000.00 a month. It forced a tripling of private healthcare insurance costs. Because of it, we've been without insurance since 2015 after having to take a home-equity loan to pay Obamacare's absurd costs, fines, and sky-high deductibles for the first few yaers we tried to comply. I became eligible for Medicare last month, but my wife has 4 years before she does. With Dems wanting to wipe out Medicare's funds by giving it to those who have paid nothing into it, including illegal foreigners, it's looking doubtful it will survive.

crandc, and Kamala Harris, used her as an example that women did not get to decide about mens healthcare issues.

Harris replaced swamprat Dem Barbara Boxer in the Senate. For 24 years Boxer was a major proponent of restricting mens right to freedom of choice in healthcare, freedom of choice in self-defense, freedom of choice in education...and like Harris supports the illegal flow of millions of diseased aliens who have brought scores of eliminated diseases back into our country.

The massive cost of government in general ballooned in step with the increase of college-programmed non-thinkers and women's entry into politics, and their support for pie-in-the-sky, hair-brained, already dis-proven ideas.

Male or female, it seems only our most ignorant, dishonest opportunists want to have a career in politics.

Term limits, tiny token salaries, no retirement plans or benefits after employment, no special perks, no special healthcare...this is the path to honest government.
 
MARIS61 said:
Harris replaced ... Dem Barbara Boxer in the Senate.
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How does this mean Kamala Harris voted for the ACA? Harris wasn't in the Senate--replacing Boxer doesn't make her part of the 2010 Senate. I think you just got confused.
 
calvin natt said:
As a man, when i hear or read other men talking about abortion and what women should do it’s aaaaaamazing to me. My god this would never happen if men were the ones who could get pregnant. Can you for a SECOND imagine everyone telling men who had random sex they couldn’t get abortions? Lolololol. What a shit show that would be. “You know, Frank, I realize you had sex with that girl last month and now you’re pregnant, and that’s too bad, but you need to go ahead and have that baby and raise it alone good luck man”. Fuck that. Men need to shut the hell up.
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yankeesince59 said:
Personally, I've always felt that men should have no say so on the issue. Ultimately, I believe it should be strictly up to the female.
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A father has no say?
 
100% agree it should be the women’s right to choose!
That would never happen in Islam as women hardly have rights at all.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
No, they have no right to force the woman to go through pregnancy and give birth.
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Never said anything about force. I was responding to people saying the man needs to ‘just shut the fuck up’. I think a father has some right to speak on behalf on his unborn child, it’s not audacious. A woman should have the final say because she has to carry and deliver, but the views from some of the more radical leftists claiming a man has ZERO right to say anything is just idiotic. Not all men are just a set of walking dick and balls, as some radical feminist maniacs would have you believe.
 
Women in relationships nearly always talk to the man. But don't make it mandatory and don't give him veto.

Women never feel the need to consult state legislators
 
Minstrel said:
How does this mean Kamala Harris voted for the ACA? Harris wasn't in the Senate--replacing Boxer doesn't make her part of the 2010 Senate. I think you just got confused.
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It doesn't, and I never said that. You're the one who's confused.

Here's what you quoted:

For instance, Obamacare would never have been crammed illegally down our throats without the votes of mental midgets like Harris.

Barbara Boxer is a mental midget like Harris, and voted for Obamacare among other atrocities.
 
MARIS61 said:
It doesn't, and I never said that. You're the one who's confused.

Here's what you quoted:

For instance, Obamacare would never have been crammed illegally down our throats without the votes of mental midgets like Harris.

Barbara Boxer is a mental midget like Harris, and voted for Obamacare among other atrocities.
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Sure, buddy.
 
jonnyboy said:
Never said anything about force. I was responding to people saying the man needs to ‘just shut the fuck up’. I think a father has some right to speak on behalf on his unborn child, it’s not audacious. A woman should have the final say because she has to carry and deliver, but the views from some of the more radical leftists claiming a man has ZERO right to say anything is just idiotic. Not all men are just a set of walking dick and balls, as some radical feminist maniacs would have you believe.
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I don't think anyone (except maybe some fringe extremists) feels that prospective fathers should have no input into a discussion with his wife/girlfriend about a pregnancy. I think the idea was that men shouldn't have legislative input on regulating women's bodies via abortion laws.

I agree with the second perspective. I think obviously men should be able to at least talk about pregnancies they were personally involved in, even if they don't get final say.
 
jonnyboy said:
Never said anything about force. I was responding to people saying the man needs to ‘just shut the fuck up’. I think a father has some right to speak on behalf on his unborn child, it’s not audacious. A woman should have the final say because she has to carry and deliver, but the views from some of the more radical leftists claiming a man has ZERO right to say anything is just idiotic. Not all men are just a set of walking dick and balls, as some radical feminist maniacs would have you believe.
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Speak, yes, legislate, no.
 
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