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I see Brandon this year as being where CP3 was last year...yes.

I think that LMA should be quite close to the level of West. Maybe not all the way there, but close.

Our SFs should be > Peja was

Our C's should be > Chandler was

And our bench is much better than the NOH bench last year.
 
If we keep winning at the rate we are, we'd finish the season with 49 wins. Not bad!
 
Stomp, that's exactly my point. I see us as being AT LEAST the equal, if not better, than the lineup the Hornets fielded last year. And yet it seems many on here are thinking it's ok if we squeak into the playoffs with ugly wins, b/c we're "progressing".

Set the bar high. The team's talented enough to hit it, but they have to put in the effort.

You have completely unrealistic expectations. Please stop bashing the team for failing to live up to your ridiculous pie-in-the-sky assumptions about this team.

Aim high? Sure, but you paragraph after paragraph bitching about what now appears to be your own disappointment vis a vis your "expectation" of the team makes a person wonder what you really do know about the NBA, how it works, and how rare it is for a team this young to be playing this well.
 
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I see Brandon this year as being where CP3 was last year...yes.

I think that LMA should be quite close to the level of West. Maybe not all the way there, but close.

Our SFs should be > Peja was

Our C's should be > Chandler was

And our bench is much better than the NOH bench last year.


Brian, I don't disagree with you on any of those points. But if there's one thing those Trader Bob & Rasheed Wallace led Blazers teams should've taught us, just having the talent there isn't everything.

AND(!) all of those guys were experienced guys! What we have here is a bunch of talented guys with little NBA experience in general, even less playoff experience and very little experience playing together.

Here's to hoping they progress, gel and sing songs by the campfire together and make a deep playoff run!!! I'm just not telling myself that if we don't reach the WCF or win the championship this year that this season's a bust!
 
HOW THE EFF ARE THEY "RISING"????

2005-2006 Season - 21 wins
2006-2007 Season - 32 wins
2007-2008 Season - 41 wins

See the numbers rising?

What are we on pace for right now? 49 wins.

My expectations entering this season were kept in check. I wasn't sure what to expect. To say I'm ecstatic is an understatement. There may be a few snags that we've come across heading down this road, but for the most part, they're snags that I think will quickly be long forgotten about (Aldridge, Oden, and Frye). Otherwise, for me, there's a bunch of exciting things that I see developing.

Individually, Steve Blake, Joel Przybilla, and Brandon Roy are playing the best basketball of their careers. In fact, Roy is better than I could have ever hoped he would be. I never thought that Sergio would get back on track or Outlaw would learn how to do more than just launch awkward looking jumpers. Rudy Fernadez has adapted to the NBA game faster than I thought as well. And this is all with Webster breaking his foot, Bayless sitting, and Batum barely getting any burn (who by the way is light years ahead of where I thought he would be).

Team-wise, I wasn't sure how everything was going to mesh together. And with the players being so young and having to take on the worst part of their schedule at the beginning, I was expecting them to inconsistent and near the bottom of the league standings.

We ended last year on a high note (even if we sputtered at the end). We started out this year well above my expectations. So yeah, I still think they're continuing to better themselves and progress. To me, the team is rising.

And for the record, I wasn't referring to you with my Chicken Littles comment. It's not my fault you felt guilty as a Blazer fan to think that I was calling you out. I actually enjoy reading your thoughts. I don't agree with you some of the time, but I do appreciate your takes on things. It's a few select posters that drive me crazy.

We're 9-6. We're also a 31-foot heave with 0.8 seconds left, a Mike Finley missed 10-footer, and a John Salmons missed 8-footer away from being 6-9. That's INCREDIBLY lucky. The other teams have had the last possession with a good chance to win multiple times, and we've escaped. If we were 6-9, would you say "everything's rosy and the cake is baking fine?" If so, more power to you. I sure wouldn't.

Every team is going to have those types of games throughout the season. It all evens out. First do you think Portland's the only team to win games on low-percentage shots or have the opposition missing high-percentage shots? If you take those 3 games away from us, you better consider taking them away from every other team as well. Also, you're weighing heavily the significance of those last-second plays. While you're at it you might as well contend that any low-percentage shot that Portland or any team makes in the first quarter should be counted against us/them. Or that any high-percentage shot that is missed by us or the opposition in the 2nd quarter should be counted against us/them.

The point is that Portland put themselves in a position to be up against the Spurs in the final possession of the game. San Antonio didn't. Portland put themselves in a position to have the last possession in the Houston game and hit a tough shot. Portland put themselves in a position to be leading with the last possession of the game and Sacramento could not hit their shot.

These close games happen all year long. The bottom line is Portland has put themselves in a possession to win games and other teams haven't. Coulda, shoulda, woulda doesn't matter this season and hasn't mattered in the past seasons. Unless, do you want to go back and start rewriting history?

LMA 08<LMA 07. He's not taking it into the post any more than he did last year, and yet he's shooting horribly from the field. I'm not talking about %, I'm talking about clanging off the side of the backboard or the outside of the rim or off the backboard without touching rim. It's been gross to watch. He's had a couple of ah-ha! moments, but how can you say he's progressing, or cake baking, or whatever?

Because I'm looking at more than just his shot. His shooting is the least of my concerns. Good shooters, over large samples, will shoot a high percentage. I expect him to. If after this road trip, he's still shooting poorly then I'd be worried.

What I'm excited about is watching the rest of his game develop. His commitment to defense, rebounding, turn overs, passing out of doubles, and team play. Young players are always going to be inconsistent. They always have been. I expect him to be as well, but I also want to see more consistency this year than last. And I am. He's by far improved defensively to me. His rebounding rate is in line with last year, while playing further away from the basket. He's turning the ball over less and he's passing the ball better.

Again I've said this before, but all players struggle with their shots at time, especially long ball and mid-range chuckers. What I like to see is players that still find ways to contribute even when their shot isn't falling.

Frye 08<Frye 07. Channing had started to progress last year at the end, when he had a bunch of double-doubles. He's fallen in love with the Travis-esque 22 foot 2 pointer, and likes that he can hit the corner 3 now. He's averaging about a rebound every five minutes, whereas last year he was getting more than 1 every 4 minutes. If his J is going down he's a good player, but he needs to get some fire and go inside a bit. Grab some rebounds....foul someone so they don't get easy layins and dunks.

You act as if he's choosing to shoot the 22 footers. I'm pretty sure it's drawn up that way. Oh and strange how when he's not playing in the post he doesn't get more rebounds. Weird how that works. Why do people continue not to put some perspective around these numbers. You think he just became a bad rebounder over the summer. Different roles produce different results.

Frye is playing a brand new role for this team. It seems that he has the green light to shoot whenever open; however, he's only getting so many minutes due to how deep this team is, so he's having to produce in very few minutes. Pretty big adjustment and may be a role that he's never going to be suited for. I feel bad for him. Sometimes I'd like to see him back in the primary reserve PF role.

Some will bring up offensive EFF numbers, and they'll be right. When we're shooting 50% from 3, we're pretty darn good. When we're not shooting 50% from 3, we're pretty darn bad. The difference is: few in here are willing to criticize that team for just continuing to run Isos, or jacking up 3's, when they're contested or not going in.

Well we're pretty darn good the majority of the time. I'll take that.

And it's fine if you want to be critical, I could care less, but don't get all bent out shape because I don't want to join in. This team is young and it's very early in the season. They've dealt with some adverse conditions. They've added a Oden, Batum, Fernandez, and given a larger role to Rodriguez. It takes awhile to sort things out. But you know what? They've been sorting it out on the fly and winning more games than losing. I'm actually enjoying watching the team work through all this.

Maybe your expectations were/are too high?
 
Stomp, that's exactly my point. I see us as being AT LEAST the equal, if not better, than the lineup the Hornets fielded last year. And yet it seems many on here are thinking it's ok if we squeak into the playoffs with ugly wins, b/c we're "progressing".

Set the bar high. The team's talented enough to hit it, but they have to put in the effort.

You completely undersell the effect of having tried and tested veterans rounding out your roster. Look at the Hornets last year and their young nucleus of "star" players -- namely Paul, West and Chandler -- is surrounded by veteran role players ... and even David West was no spring chicken at 27. To put things into perspective New Orleans average is age is 28.7 compared with our average age of 24; nearly a five year difference

There is more than a grain of truth to the old saw about age and treachery beating youth and exuberance; young guys have so many little tricks to master, and have to go through growing pains to find out just what their game is at the NBA level. Veterans also know exactly what kind of preparation it takes to bring it every night, because they've been there, done that. As young as the Blazers were last year (and this year) they are a little like a gifted, but awkward teenager who still doesn't quite know his limitations and how to produce consistent results night in and night out.

Think of it this way, if you have a veteran that averages 13 points per game and the variance in his FG% never goes much more than +/-5% up or down, compared to a young guy that averages 18 points per game but his FG% varies +/- 20% on any given night, who would you rather have on the floor as a coach? You take the consistent, but lesser production because it's predictable and this predictability also allows you to solidify your rotations. The wildly inconsistent (but sometimes brilliant) player is a coaches headache because he's never quite sure what he's going to get from that player on a night in and night out basis; the coach is left to constantly tinker with lineups trying to find the combination of players that produces the most reliable result, which is ultimately winning.

Once we have a roster that produces fairly consistent results from most of its positions then we'll know we have something special ... assuming that at least two or three of those players consistently produce at a high (all-star caliber) level.
 
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Can we officially stop this "hardest schedule in NBA history" myth? Yes, we had the toughest opening 5 games. Got it.

We have also played 5 home and 10 road games. Got it.

But we're the 8th best SOS right now. We're playing our fair share of crappy teams, and we're beating them (with two exceptions) by single digits when we do. When we've lost, we've lost to good teams. We are 15 games into the season, and 10 games past that "toughest opening schedule in history" tag.

That wouldn't make any sense to ignore that. Considering our team, we had fantastic record during the "hardest schedule in NBA history". It's no myth. It's fact. Why would not speak of it anymore? So you can feel better about being critical of team currently?
 
I see Brandon this year as being where CP3 was last year...yes.

I think that LMA should be quite close to the level of West. Maybe not all the way there, but close.

Our SFs should be > Peja was

Our C's should be > Chandler was

And our bench is much better than the NOH bench last year.

I like the optimism.

But outside Blazer fans, I don't think you will find many fans who think Roy will be as valuable a player to his team as Paul is to his team.

I also think most NBA fans would give the strong nod to West . . . although I haven't really followed West and I'm a big LA fan so maybe I'm wrong about this.

I also don't think many would say that Batum, Outlaw or Webster are better tham Peja. :dunno:
 
Roy is clearly in the ALL-Star category this year (PER of 23, with 20 being an all-star).
Paul was in the super-star category last year (PER of 28m with 25 being a super-star).
 
Now we're playing cupcakes, and barely winning.

So your upset because of the last 2 games. Because the 2 games prior to those, the team was looking more than adequate. Are you upset about the loss at GS? That's 3 games.

Geez. From your tone, you'd think that we've lost more than half our games and playing worse than last year.

They're a young team. They're going to be inconsistent at times. You're either going to have to get used to that or it's going to ruin time following the team.
 
Perhaps my expectations rare too high. I'm cool with that, and I'm cool with people disagreeing (I'm pretty sure I've never talked down to someone who said we'll win "only" 48 games).

What I generally write posts about are those things that I see while watching the game (and NOT just our games). As I've said before...you can talk all you want to about "integrating Bayless and Oden and Rudy with LMA and Roy" and "Webs and Oden have missed significant stretches", but when it comes down to it, our team has not played well in the last two games. A bunch of our players are in extended slumps, to the point that the coach and players themselves are talking about how bad they're playing. But I'm the one getting attacked, told my expectations are high? I'm told to
You have completely unrealistic expectations. Please stop bashing the team for failing to live up to your ridiculous pie-in-the-sky assumptions about this team.

Aim high? Sure, but you paragraph after paragraph bitching about what now appears to be your own disappointment vis a vis your "expectation" of the team makes a person wonder what you really do know about the NBA, how it works, and how rare it is for a team this young to be playing this well.

If you think the team is playing well, you're not going to listen to me, so I respect that you won't agree with my posts. But the crazy thing is that Quick, Nate, 95.5, LMA, Roy and just about anyone else remotely associated is saying that they're not playing well. That they're playing "sloppy", that the wins are "difficult".

How is talking about what we should improve "b!tching?" Because I don't believe that everything's pie-in-the-sky because your low predictions are being realized?

My "completely unrealistic" expectations are lower than what Brandon Roy's expectations are. KP wouldn't tell me what his were, though he has them tacked to his mirror or something. I find it hard to think, though, that "sloppy" play in "difficult" wins is meeting the expectations the team had for itself, or is going to be tolerated going forward.

And why do I have to root for my team to be mediocre? New Orleans fans got to watch a good young product last year. If we're playing well and losing, them's the breaks. If we're not playing as well as we should be, that's on the team. And it seems as if most associated with the team agree with me.
 
I see Brandon this year as being where CP3 was last year...yes.

I think that LMA should be quite close to the level of West. Maybe not all the way there, but close.

Our SFs should be > Peja was

Our C's should be > Chandler was

And our bench is much better than the NOH bench last year.

It's funny. I actually believe the Blazers will get to the WCF's this year. I see signs of greatness right now. They just can't maintain it yet. I think we'll see them hit their maximum potential in a couple of months though. Not now.
 
That wouldn't make any sense to ignore that. Considering our team, we had fantastic record during the "hardest schedule in NBA history". It's no myth. It's fact. Why would not speak of it anymore? So you can feel better about being critical of team currently?

It is a myth to keep bringing it up. Yes, we went 2-3 in the "hardest opening schedule in NBA history" and I'm happy for that. It's hardly "fantastic", but I'm happy with it. To bring up that yesterday's game was a good game for us because we got a win and added to the win total during the "HOSINBAH" isn't right. We're 10 games past that. We're 8th in SOS. That's good. And I'm much happier with 9-6 than 6-9. But that doesn't mean we're playing well. Listen to Roy and Nate last night. They both said that "we have to play better".

I guess I just have to take solace in the fact that the coach and star player have expectations as high as mine. Sorry if I inconvenienced anyone who wants to see a poorly played game where we squeak out wins against mediocre-to-bad teams. Thanks to those who engaged in good debate. I always appreciate it. It keeps me on my toes.
 
If you think the team is playing well, you're not going to listen to me, so I respect that you won't agree with my posts. But the crazy thing is that Quick, Nate, 95.5, LMA, Roy and just about anyone else remotely associated is saying that they're not playing well. That they're playing "sloppy", that the wins are "difficult".

The last two games that haven't played well, but that doesn't mean that the team hasn't played well for the season so far. It's two games. They've had other set back last year and even this year and have corrected them. It's going to take time. Rome wasn't built in day and young teams don't win championships.
 
It's funny. I actually believe the Blazers will get to the WCF's this year. I see signs of greatness right now. They just can't maintain it yet. I think we'll see them hit their maximum potential in a couple of months though. Not now.

And I'm fine with that. But it's like with some of the kids I tutor (follow me on this, may not be the best analogy):

If you have a kid who's really struggling, you're patient with him, keep working with him, try different ways of helping him learn the material.

If you are working with a genius who won't turn in homework, it pi$$es you off.

I see games like @SAC, and home vs. CHI and realize that we're geniuses. I don't think anyone's going to say that we don't have the talent. Games like yesterday are us not turning in homework, not us struggling with learning.
 
It is a myth to keep bringing it up.

A myth would be a misinterpretation of the truth. This is a fact. It isn't a myth.

To bring up that yesterday's game was a good game for us because we got a win and added to the win total during the "HOSINBAH" isn't right. We're 10 games past that. We're 8th in SOS. That's good. And I'm much happier with 9-6 than 6-9. But that doesn't mean we're playing well. Listen to Roy and Nate last night. They both said that "we have to play better".

Well I never said that it was a good win for us. It was an ugly win. They do have to play better. And for most of the season, they have. And for most of the rest of the season, they will.

There is a small part of me though that is happy with how they turned a terrible outing into a win. It could have been worse, right? They could have lost. The team definitely has a lot to work on. I don't think any of us think they're near perfect.

I guess I just have to take solace in the fact that the coach and star player have expectations as high as mine. Sorry if I inconvenienced anyone who wants to see a poorly played game where we squeak out wins against mediocre-to-bad teams. Thanks to those who engaged in good debate. I always appreciate it. It keeps me on my toes.

I think you might be misconstruing things a bit. I'm not going to pretend to know what exactly is going on in Nate's and Brandon's minds. Those comments by them don't support your comments that you've made on this forum. They expect to play better than they did last night. That's all they said.
 
I see games like @SAC, and home vs. CHI and realize that we're geniuses. I don't think anyone's going to say that we don't have the talent. Games like yesterday are us not turning in homework, not us struggling with learning.

You could be dead on. I just don't see it that way. Anyway, like I said, I really enjoy your takes and I hope that I didn't come off as an asshole. As you, I get pretty passionate about the team.

Go Blazers!
 
And I'm fine with that. But it's like with some of the kids I tutor (follow me on this, may not be the best analogy):

If you have a kid who's really struggling, you're patient with him, keep working with him, try different ways of helping him learn the material.
If you are working with a genius who won't turn in homework, it pi$$es you off.

I see games like @SAC, and home vs. CHI and realize that we're geniuses. I don't think anyone's going to say that we don't have the talent. Games like yesterday are us not turning in homework, not us struggling with learning.

Not sure if you have kids or not, but I do, and when they have a tough day and feel down, I certainly don't berate them to everyone who will listen because they did not live up to my expectations. Also, if you think you have a genius on your hands without any proof other than your opinion, well, that's a "you" problem as well.
 
I don't really care what the players and coaches say on the radio and TV because it's usually just player-speak or coach-talk.

The next time I hear pro athlete or his head coach get on TV and say: "we're extremely content with everything and are looking to coast from here on out..." - well, that would be the first time ever.

Coaches and players are usually just going to give you the same gibberish: "we're working on this or that", "there's room for improvement", "we're not quite happy with this" etc etc.

That's the difference between them and us. They're paid many millions to be world class athletes; the absolute best in the world at what they do. Us? We're not really paid anything to sit on our asses and watch them. So their expectations, mindset and what they say to those around them are entirely different than ours - we're just fans playing Tuesday Afternoon Quarterbacks.
 
Stomp, that's exactly my point. I see us as being AT LEAST the equal, if not better, than the lineup the Hornets fielded last year. And yet it seems many on here are thinking it's ok if we squeak into the playoffs with ugly wins, b/c we're "progressing".

Set the bar high. The team's talented enough to hit it, but they have to put in the effort.
we don't set the bar. Our discussions do not factor in one tiny bit to those that do. They're going to do what they're going to do regardless.

To the Hornets comparison... I disagree that this club is at least equal to last years Hornets. Paul is a cut above Roy and most of their players were established vets who'd been on that club for longer then the principles have been in Portland. How many rookies were they working into their rotation last year? Portland has 3 rooks who will probably easily eclipse Julian Wright's 11 MPG. A lessor lead guy plus more variables... being as good/successful as they were last year would be an amazing accomplishment in my eyes.

STOMP
 
I see Brandon this year as being where CP3 was last year...yes.
Chris Paul was 3rd in the MVP vote last year. He was dominant. Last year in the All NBA voting Paul received 124 votes while Roy got 1. Then as now Brandon is more along the lines of a borderline AS then 1st team All-NBA.

STOMP
 
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we did a prediction at bbf, a couple responses

what will our record be after 22 games, 15 on the road, against such tough teams?

me 12-10 with me having us 9-6 right now.
nikolokolus 11-11
jayremmie first said 9-13 then 11-11, then anywhere from 7-12 wins (way to take a stand )
maris61 15-7
reep 11-11
god 7-15
HCP we start 0-5
Nate Bishop 11-11
mediocreman 11-11 or 9-13 or 8-14
utherhimo 14-8
blue32 14-8
moldorf the best they will do is 9-14.

it really looks as though we are exceeding most of our expectations. and this was before martell/oden got hurt.

LOL! I'm a joke... I usually like to list a broad number to make sure i'm right or close to it!
 
Hey hey . . . been away the last couple of days for the holiday and have not posted much.

So to answer my own question in the thread title:

WE'RE 11-6!!!

How's that for a team not playing well???
 
Oops, I stand corrected . . . they're actually 12-6.

These uninspired underachievers really need to start playing up to their potential!!! ;)
 
12-6 is unbelievable at this point.
And now the guys are just playing basketball. The novelty of Greg is wearing off and he's just playing, the novelty of Rudy is kind of wearing off, and the guys are just trying to find their way and win. Next up is seeing how Martell fits in the puzzle, and just go from there.
 
To hell with it, I can't stand prosperity. Let's bring back last week - let's trade LMA for Tyrus Thomas. Let's trade Outlaw for new terry cloth towels. Let's package Blake, Sergio, Bayless and Raef for Jarret Jack!

Oh wait, what am I saying? I'll just sit back and wait until the next loss or the next game we don't win by 13 points and all of that will come back on its own . . . it's just a matter of time.
 
BTW-The suggestions were LMA for Bosh. Outlaw for Miller. Blake, Bayless and Raef for Nash. At least the ones I saw.

And each time we play like crap (see GSW, SAC, et al) there will be people pointing out to the silver-lining fans how it could have been better. If that's not your style, it's cool. Each time we win by 40, you'll see people talking about how well we played. I don't know how you expect people to turn off their analysis receptors or reasoning once the team plays like crap, since they need our "support".

And if you're happy at 12-6...wouldn't you be happier at 14-4 or so and a chance at more home playoff games? I would.
 

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