Can we relax a little on Bayless... please?

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Yes, hes played well vs Chicago and Jersey but the reason he didn't play well vs philly is cause they made him shoot from the outside. Now watching him vs the nets was great, he pretty much won the game with roy (of course) BUT after being put through the agony of watching sergio play... anything looks good. My biggest concern with bayless is he cant shoot... at all. Teams will figure this out and take away his penetration. If he could shoot... he'd be a nice little player. PG i dont know but SG....maybe. Prob a god bench player to have but come on...hes not a starter. I cant believe i came on here and guys are asking for him to start over blake. ARE U KIDDING ME?


With that said, i hope nate starts bayless for now and once blake comes back...THE SERGIO RODRIQUEZ DAYS ARE FINALLY OVER IN PORTLAND! We can only pray. God hes miserable. Maybe our cake baking GM realizes that. Nah he was prob at a Central Connecticut game or something.
 
Bayless can shoot:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=280410012

And he shot great during summer league. You can't judge anything Bayless has done in the NBA until tonight's game because tonight was the first time he knew GOING INTO THE GAME that he was going to be playing MAJOR MINUTES. So he finally knew he wouldn't be yanked and he wasn't being thrown into it like he was last game when Blake got hurt. So don't judge Bayless' outside shooting in games before tonight. Now that he is out of the "strangehold," he will make outside shots if the defenses give them to him.
 
BUT... all his shots were layups or shots very close to the basket. He needs to hit some threes or pull ups.

listen....i will take bayless any day of the week over sergio....but im saying defenses will start making bayless shoot jumpers to keep him honest!
 
The point is, this is a game where we can finally point to Bayless playing up to his potential. Finally point to Bayless playing well with Roy, which has been brought into question over the last few weeks. This was finally some evidence for those of us who support Bayless getting more PT.
 
MIXUM said:
BUT... all his shots were layups or shots very close to the basket. He needs to hit some threes or pull ups.

listen....i will take bayless any day of the week over sergio....but im saying defenses will start making bayless shoot jumpers to keep him honest!
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Ummmm..... dude..... Bayless shot 6 of 10 from the three point line in that ASU/AZ game. Click on the fucking link. And he shot 2 of 3 in his last summer league game. Click on the fucking link.

Learn the game, then post.
 
ok...but what has he shot in the NBA? this isnt college or summer league. Hes going up against chris paul and andre miller...etc.

not "some guy you never heard of" of the summer league
 
MIXUM said:
BUT... all his shots were layups or shots very close to the basket. He needs to hit some threes or pull ups.

listen....i will take bayless any day of the week over sergio....but im saying defenses will start making bayless shoot jumpers to keep him honest!
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do you know anything about bayless before he got to the blazers? the guy can shoot the ball. he shot over 40% from three in college and that was on 145 attempts(about 5 per game).

he hasn't proven it on the nba level yet, but he also hasn't been given consistent minutes. i'd be shocked if he continues to struggle shooting from distance for much longer.
 
I don't know...if I had a guard that could put up 23 on 9 shots, even though "they were all at the rim"...I'd probably take it and run!

I mean, Dwyane Wade parleyed that into a pretty good career so far, right?
 
KingSpeed said:
Ummmm..... dude..... Bayless shot 6 of 10 from the three point line in that ASU/AZ game. Click on the fucking link. And he shot 2 of 3 in his last summer league game. Click on the fucking link.

Learn the game, then post.
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Well, it's hard to base something off two games, but I do think Bayless has some trouble shooting jumpers.

For one, his shot is very streaky, but this guy shot 40% from three in college. It's like we know he can shoot it, but he's given no indications in games that he can indeed hit jumpers.
 
Bayless played a great game tonight, not only on offense, but on defense. He should be applauded for it.
 
Relax? Fuck that.. Jerryd had a great game for a rookie, and single-handedly turned the game in our favor. I'm going to get excited about that. If we relaxed with every good thing that happened, the RG would be a deader than dead with people sitting on their hands. It'd basically be Memphis.

What's the fun in not enjoying the game?
 
he was great but im saying he better start hitting jumpers or hes not gonna have many more nights like this.
 
MIXUM said:
he was great but im saying he better start hitting jumpers or hes not gonna have many more nights like this.
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This is partly true. Teams will start scouting Bayless and make him shoot jumpers.
 
Bayless shows an amazing ability to get into the paint and draw fouls. Players who can do that with such consistency are rare and extremely valuable. In addition, Bayless has a great shot (which he showed in college...I have very little doubt that he'll start knocking the same shots down in the NBA). A player who can shoot and can get to the rim and draw fouls is unstoppable. If he shows that this ability is real and not flukish, I'll have to revise my ideas of his ceiling upward.
 
MIXUM said:
ok...but what has he shot in the NBA? this isnt college or summer league. Hes going up against chris paul and andre miller...etc.
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Open shots are open shots. You said that people will play off of him and make him shoot, but you say he can't shoot. I show you college and summer league to say yes, he can shoot. If people leave him open in the NBA, he will knock down the shots now that he is out of the "stranglehold."
 
B-Roy said:
Well, it's hard to base something off two games, but I do think Bayless has some trouble shooting jumpers.

For one, his shot is very streaky, but this guy shot 40% from three in college. It's like we know he can shoot it, but he's given no indications in games that he can indeed hit jumpers.
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You can't judge any game that Bayless has played this season until tonight's and all the games after because he had a "stranglehold." He never knew if he was gonna play or not. You can't look at the shooting percentage of a guy who comes in, takes a shot, then gets yanked out, etc. And in the last game, where he shot 1 of 11, he wasn't expecting Blake to go out and he was thrust into a comeback drive without being ready for it. But at his soul, he is a great shooter and now that the "stranglehold" is off, you will see it.
 
i hope your right speed but so far he hasnt hit many jumpers.


i want the blazers to win so i dont care if he drives or shoots...but if he just drives...teams will figure that out and make him shoot. if he does both...then we have ourselves a player boys!
 
MIXUM said:
i hope your right speed but so far he hasnt hit many jumpers.


i want the blazers to win so i dont care if he drives or shoots...but if he just drives...teams will figure that out and make him shoot. if he does both...then we have ourselves a player boys!
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He'll do it.
 
The weird (but not bad) thing about Bayless is that he has the ability to drive even when they are sagging off of him. He's just so strong and quick. Yes, he needs to get the jumper going and I think most of us think that will happen and probably sooner than later but when you will really see him be dangerous is when with more playing time and experience he gets better at finishing at the rim like Nash for example. I really think he has the athletic ability and NBA body to get to that point. Its just all experience, comfort and most of all confidence. Games like last night will go a LONG way towards getting to that point.
 
I have watched most every college game and SL Bayless played and he is a great outside shooter. I can't say the reason why he isn't shooting good so far in the regular season but I think eventually he will be our best outside shooter. He is the real deal and all the negative Bayless people better change to picking on someone else or they will look really foolish.
 
Tortimer said:
I have watched most every college game and SL Bayless played and he is a great outside shooter. I can't say the reason why he isn't shooting good so far in the regular season but I think eventually he will be our best outside shooter. He is the real deal and all the negative Bayless people better change to picking on someone else or they will look really foolish.
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Im with you on that one Tort. As an Arizona fan I have seen with my own 2 eyes his shooting ability. It aint his skills that are throwing his shot off. Its mental. Mostly confidence. Everyone has been in his ear about being a distributing PG so he has been hesitant to take wide open jumpers in his limited playing time. He needs to be who he is. Drive when he can and take the jumper when they take away the drive.
 
I'm not as concerned about his shooting yet. Devin Harris, Tony Parker and Allen Iverson have proven if you are quick and fearless, you don't have to have a great perimeter shot to be a good player. Hell, Iverson doesn't even have that great of a shot in close. He's just insanely aggressive and quick.

Now, if Bayless wants to take it to the next level and be a great player, he'll need to show he has that outside jumper. From everything I've heard, it seems like it'll come.
 
The one thing I would never be concerned with on Bayless is scoring. He is one of those players, that even if his shot isn't falling, he will get to the line so many times to make up for the cold night.
 
B-Roy said:
This is partly true. Teams will start scouting Bayless and make him shoot jumpers.
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By doubling him like Roy is doubled at the top of the key? That's the only way to keep him out of the paint, and that would leave Roy or LMA or Outlaw or Rudy or even Oden all the more open.

Bayless seems to have a very rare skill in getting to the rim. Roy even said it in today's Oregonian and compared Bayless' ability to Rodney Stuckey in terms of not being able to stop him in practice.

You don't "stop" that skill without weakening another part of the defense.
 
At the start of the season, I was as excited as anyone about Bayless. I saw him, and see him, as our PG of the future. However, others seem to be more excited about him now than I am. It was only one game. I'll get more excited when I see more consistency. I think that will happen, but not yet, not yet.

btw, I also see Batum as our SF of the future, but he needs more time, but not as our starter.
 
KingSpeed said:
You can't judge any game that Bayless has played this season until tonight's and all the games after because he had a "stranglehold." He never knew if he was gonna play or not. You can't look at the shooting percentage of a guy who comes in, takes a shot, then gets yanked out, etc. And in the last game, where he shot 1 of 11, he wasn't expecting Blake to go out and he was thrust into a comeback drive without being ready for it. But at his soul, he is a great shooter and now that the "stranglehold" is off, you will see it.
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C'mon Eric, that's so pathetic that you feel he needs you to make excuses for him.

The exact same excuse could be used to excuse every bad game Sergio has ever had, or Channing, as neither has had a moment when Nate wasn't ready to yank them. Sergio has actually been yanked when he was playing great several times.

Bayless has had several awful games, a couple okay ones, and a good one. That's progress, and a sign he'll develop into a good player in this league. So yeah, let's relax and cheer him on, but don't heap more pressure on him to be something he's not, let him come along at his own pace.
 
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