Cant say it wasn't justified

[DaLincolnJones]

This is what a stunt rider is.

What is your idea of a hard core biker? A dude riding a Harley?

If I truly believed that you required an answer..

 

[Natebishop3]

If I truly believed that you required an answer..

Dude, Harley's are ridden by 40 year old doctors and lawyers with a badass complex

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

So the bike tries to stop or slow down the SUV, then all of the bikers surround the SUV. I just might think I was being robbed with my family in the vehicle. Hopefully the bikers have learned a lesson here. Sorry about the biker guy who was seriously injured, but they brought it on themselves. Perhaps they assumed that all middle class Chinese families kept up with stunt bike rallies/protests/gatherings culture and should have known they meant him and his family no harm. Sad, but unfortunately some people have to learn the hard way.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Dude, Harley's are ridden by 40 year old doctors and lawyers with a badass complex

And my dad.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

That is what you are required to do by law. In my opinion, those were pretty tame "Bikers", I know the real deal, those guys were as the article stated "stunt riders", more than likely a bunch of movie guys...

If you're stupid enough to intentionally slam on your brakes in front of a giant SUV, who knows how crazy you might actually be? There were a helluva lotta bikers in the "rally".

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Dude, Harley's are ridden by 40 year old doctors and lawyers with a badass complex

big ass difference between casual, part time H-D riders, and guys that hang with, or belong to outlaw MC clubs...riders are not "Bikers" IMO or experience

 

[DaLincolnJones]

And my dad.

as well as mine, and his father before him..

 

[DaLincolnJones]

If you're stupid enough to intentionally slam on your brakes in front of a giant SUV, who knows how crazy you might actually be? There were a helluva lotta bikers in the "rally".

yeah..If you are dumb enough to hit the binders like that, that is the risk you take. Nobody deserves to be driven over as they come to someones aid.

 

[Eastoff]

yeah..If you are dumb enough to hit the binders like that, that is the risk you take. Nobody deserves to be driven over as they come to someones aid.

And no one deserves to be threatened by a group of 30+ individuals.

 

[MARIS61]

“This is a major stunt event where motorcyclists from various locations come together,” Kelly said. “Quite frankly it wasn’t on anybody’s radar screen last year. We were aware of it this year.”

As 1010 WINS’ Carol D’Auria reported, Kelly said Tuesday that the bikers caused other problems besides the road rage incident. A total of 200 people complained to police Sunday that the bikers were being reckless on Manhattan streets, Kelly said.

The cyclists caused plenty of problems last year too, Kelly said.

“Last year, they came over 1,000 cyclists to be somewhat disruptive,” Kelly said. “They rode on the sidewalk – that sort of thing.”

In order to prevent the group from heading into Times Square this year, police set up checkpoints throughout the city. Kelly said during that effort, 15 arrests were made, 68 summonses were issued, and 55 motorcycles were confiscated.

Police said Lien had called 911 to report the bikers were driving erratically.

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During the rides, bikers at the back of the pack often slow down to delay traffic. The move allows bikers at the front of the pack to take off, go fast, and perform stunts — but can lead to frustration for motorists.

In the video, some of the bikers are seen getting off their motorcycles and approaching the car. That was when police said some of the bikers begin damaging the Range Rover, though it’s not clear from the video.

“They take their helmets and they start to dent his car and apparently his tires are slashed there,” Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said.

Police said Lien panicked and the video shows the SUV suddenly accelerating, plowing over some of the motorcycles.

For the next several minutes of the video, the bikers can be seen chasing the Range Rover for about two miles. At one point, the SUV stops and one of the bikers is seen in the video ripping open the driver’s side door as the Range Rover speeds off.

The SUV eventually gets off the highway around West 178th Street and St. Nicholas Avenue, police said.

As Lien gets stuck in traffic, the bikers surround him again, police said. One of the riders is seen in the video jumping off his bike, ripping off his helmet and using it to bash in the driver’s side window.

A second biker is also seen running up and hitting the driver’s side rear window with his fists.

At this point the video stops, but police said the attack continues.

Kelly said Lien is taken out of his car and assaulted.

Witnesses described what they saw.

“He got off his bike and started attacking the person in the Range Rover with his helmet, breaking the windows and after they got him out of his car, they beat him up,” said witness Christopher Quinones.

Lien was taken to the hospital where he needed stitches to his face.

I'd say he did the bare minimum of hurt in defending his family from homicidal maniacs. I might have taken a more aggressive approach.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

yeah..If you are dumb enough to hit the binders like that, that is the risk you take. Nobody deserves to be driven over as they come to someones aid.

Absolutely. The guy did not deserve to be run over. Are you saying the driver did it on purpose? I really don't think he drove over the dude on purpose.

But for a biker to be that crazy to slam on their brakes so they get hit by an SUV... With that many bikes around BEFORE the accident, with the SUV being surrounded as it was, you don't think the driver wasn't already nervous and intimated? Then some bat-shit crazy moron hits his brakes so you hit him. And now you're surrounded by all the crazy dude's friends? The driver was probably scared shit-less. I'm not surprised in the least he continued to drive off. I would've been on the phone with police immediately, if I'd have been that dude, and I'd have stayed on the scene as long as my safety wasn't threatened, but I can't say I'm shocked the SUV driver did choose to drive away, and the whole issue was caused by the moron that slammed on his brakes. So, ultimately, he's responsible for the injury to his friend. The driver could have been wiser, but it's really not surprising he drove away, and I do sincerely believe he had no intent to harm anyone.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

and "helping his friend" is a crock of shit. you know it is. he was going there to kick in the door of the range rover.

 

[Natebishop3]

Absolutely. The guy did not deserve to be run over. Are you saying the driver did it on purpose? I really don't think he drove over the dude on purpose.

But for a biker to be that crazy to slam on their brakes so they get hit by an SUV... With that many bikes around BEFORE the accident, with the SUV being surrounded as it was, you don't think the driver wasn't already nervous and intimated? Then some bat-shit crazy moron hits his brakes so you hit him. And now you're surrounded by all the crazy dude's friends? The driver was probably scared shit-less. I'm not surprised in the least he continued to drive off. I would've been on the phone with police immediately, if I'd have been that dude, and I'd have stayed on the scene as long as my safety wasn't threatened, but I can't say I'm shocked the SUV driver did choose to drive away, and the whole issue was caused by the moron that slammed on his brakes. So, ultimately, he's responsible for the injury to his friend. The driver could have been wiser, but it's really not surprising he drove away, and I do sincerely believe he had no intent to harm anyone.

That's not what happened though.

The bikes are completely encircled around the SUV.

Dumbass pulls his bike in front of the SUV and slams his breaks on. SUV apparently hits him but we don't actually see it.

The SUV stops. All the bikes stop. There's a good 15 or 20 seconds of nothing. Just everyone sitting there. The camera can't actually see what's happening back where the SUV is stopped.

Suddenly the SUV guns it and runs over at least one bike and apparently a guy. At that point he runs off and the bikers run him down and beat his ass.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

In the video, some of the bikers are seen getting off their motorcycles and approaching the car. That was when police said some of the bikers begin damaging the Range Rover, though it’s not clear from the video.

“They take their helmets and they start to dent his car and apparently his tires are slashed there,” Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said.

Police said Lien panicked and the video shows the SUV suddenly accelerating, plowing over some of the motorcycles.

This says it all to me. I already understood why the guy drove off. But when they're ALREADY damaging your car and slashing your tires.......... that was BEFORE the dude got rolled over by the SUV, and only AFTER the initial crash where the douche bag biker slammed on his brakes. So yeah, let's blame the SUV driver for being scared. It's very unfortunate. But it's what can happen with you hang out with complete douche bag morons (i.e. the dude that slammed on his brakes and the guys that started damaging the SUV). What? Was the SUV driver supposed to sit there and take it?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

That's not what happened though.

The bikes are completely encircled around the SUV.

Dumbass pulls his bike in front of the SUV and slams his breaks on. SUV apparently hits him but we don't actually see it.

The SUV stops. All the bikes stop. There's a good 15 or 20 seconds of nothing. Just everyone sitting there. The camera can't actually see what's happening back where the SUV is stopped.

Suddenly the SUV guns it and runs over at least one bike and apparently a guy. At that point he runs off and the bikers run him down and beat his ass.

WTF are you saying? That's not what happened? Huh? Did we watch the same video? Did I present something different than what was in the video?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

and "helping his friend" is a crock of shit. you know it is. he was going there to kick in the door of the range rover.

I saw the video. I watched as he was kneeling down by his friend..I watched as the SUV drove the fuck over him. I have no idea what you are referring to unless you are only looking at the second incident where the riders were trying to get at the driver..

 

[DaLincolnJones]

WTF are you saying? That's not what happened? Huh? Did we watch the same video? Did I present something different than what was in the video?

the full video from yesterday showed the events pretty much as described

 

[Natebishop3]

WTF are you saying? That's not what happened? Huh? Did we watch the same video? Did I present something different than what was in the video?

I only got to see this one.

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[Further]

Reminds me of a few years ago there was a rash of people trying to cash in against insurance companies by taking their little hatchback in front of an 18 wheeler and slamming on the breaks. Technically its the truckers fault because they are behind. Several of the d-bags died doing that scam.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

the full video from yesterday showed the events pretty much as described

That's why I'm confused why NateBishop said, "That's not what happened though." I have no clue what he's trying to say.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I saw the video. I watched as he was kneeling down by his friend..I watched as the SUV drove the fuck over him. I have no idea what you are referring to unless you are only looking at the second incident where the riders were trying to get at the driver..

Can't see that. Even though, legally, those that were attacking/chasing the SUV are liable for any injuries or death.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Reminds me of a few years ago there was a rash of people trying to cash in against insurance companies by taking their little hatchback in front of an 18 wheeler and slamming on the breaks. Technically its the truckers fault because they are behind. Several of the d-bags died doing that scam.

CRASH for clunkers?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Can't see that. Even though, legally, those that were attacking/chasing the SUV are liable for any injuries or death.

I dont know the laws in NY, but here in Oregon I believe that if you intentional run some one over, the vehicle is considered a deadly weapon, just like a drunk driving incident, the vehicle is considered such.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I dont know the laws in NY, but here in Oregon I believe that if you intentional run some one over, the vehicle is considered a deadly weapon, just like a drunk driving incident, the vehicle is considered such.

All the driver has to say that he was being accosted and/or chased and feared for his life. The evidence certainly supports it.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm assuming there was another video because the one I saw didn't show really anything.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I'm assuming there was another video because the one I saw didn't show really anything.

YouTube shows has a 6-minute video.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

All the driver has to say that he was being accosted and/or chased and feared for his life. The evidence certainly supports it.

So its a free for all? A real life version of GTA? "Hey, I was afraid, so a drove on the sidewalk and ran over your grandmother"? Sounds fair..man, the first incident was pretty calm until the guy drove the fuck over the bike rider. I concede that the second event six minuets and many miles later was where the driver had every right to be scared shitless..if those had been real bikers, he would have been dead

 

[Natebishop3]

YouTube shows has a 6-minute video.

Okay, so that's the video then. Like I said, you can't even see the SUV from the 0:35 until 0:50 when the driver runs over the bike and the dude. So there's about fifteen seconds of the bikes and the SUV just sitting there. We have no idea what was said or done in those 15 seconds of everyone just sitting there (unless there's another video).

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So its a free for all? A real life version of GTA? "Hey, I was afraid, so a drove on the sidewalk and ran over your grandmother"? Sounds fair..man, the first incident was pretty calm until the guy drove the fuck over the bike rider. I concede that the second event six minuets and many miles later was where the driver had every right to be scared shitless..if those had been real bikers, he would have been dead

He was being chased and intimidated by many bikers. They all stopped in the middle of the road and were threatening. He was reasonable in fearing for his and his family's safety.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

So its a free for all? A real life version of GTA? "Hey, I was afraid, so a drove on the sidewalk and ran over your grandmother"? Sounds fair..man, the first incident was pretty calm until the guy drove the fuck over the bike rider. I concede that the second event six minuets and many miles later was where the driver had every right to be scared shitless..if those had been real bikers, he would have been dead

Dude, did you not read the recap of the incident posted like 10 posts ago? When the SUV was stopped after the initial douchebag slammed on his brakes, that's when the SUV had its' tires slashed and the car was being hit/dented. That's when the SUV then took over and ran over the dude that was trying to help his friend. So, the SUV driver was clearly already being threatened, causing his reaction to drive off. What's so hard to understand about this? If everything was calm and nobody was threatening the SUV/driver, no further incident would have occurred. Nobody gets run over.