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chris_in_pdx

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https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/...ord-to-waste-damian-lillards-prime-years.html

Canzano spelled out everything I've been saying for several years: The Blazers are wasting time pissing away Dame's prime years by roster bandaids and shitty player move. Yes, they struck gold a couple of times with Nurk and Rodney, but even before that, the makeup of the team was broken with the dual-PG system and lack of defensive intensity, and I believe the two are related. When Portland gave CJ the near Max extension, it kind of sealed the fate of the team for the next several years. Olshey is loyal to "his guys" to a fault, and mediocrity is the result. It's sad, because at the end of this contract, I almost want Dame to walk and go somewhere he can win a ring. It would be different than with Clyde, who never really was the personable, approachable, involved public figure that Dame is. It was easy to frame his demanding to be traded as being an ungrateful malcontent who was a Portland Icon but never seemed to live up to that role publicly. Dame has, and does. He almost deserves Portland to move him to somewhere he can win.
 
Neil is using Nurk as a crutch for his inactivity.

As good as Nurk is, this team lacks talent outside the obvious three or four (Hassan).

Neil is too conservative and seems content with being a nice little playoff team and not a true contender.


The sooner Neil is fired, the quicker this team will be on the path out of purgatory.
 
the 'Blazers' aren't wasting it. There's been one person in charge of roster construction since May 2012, and Dame's talent has given the guy in charge over 7.5 years of cover for not taking risks and stroking his own ego, while peddling hype, deflection, distraction, and spin
 
We need a better coach. It's difficult to assess what we have on our roster when the coach has a faulty game plan. It's possible we need to trade CJ, I've been open to it for years, but it's also possible he can succeed within a different framework of an NBA team. We need a new framework and to do that, we need a different coach. Unfortunately, Olshey has been acquiring players that fit into this coach's faulty system. We need to continue to stack talent and not put our eggs in one basket.
 
AmirIcon said:
We need a better coach. It's difficult to assess what we have on our roster when the coach has a faulty game plan. It's possible we need to trade CJ, I've been open to it for years, but it's also possible he can succeed within a different framework of an NBA team. We need a new framework and to do that, we need a different coach. Unfortunately, Olshey has been acquiring players that fit into this coach's faulty system. We need to continue to stack talent and not put our eggs in one basket.
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Nailed it... /thread
 
AmirIcon said:
We need a better coach. It's difficult to assess what we have on our roster when the coach has a faulty game plan. It's possible we need to trade CJ, I've been open to it for years, but it's also possible he can succeed within a different framework of an NBA team. We need a new framework and to do that, we need a different coach. Unfortunately, Olshey has been acquiring players that fit into this coach's faulty system. We need to continue to stack talent and not put our eggs in one basket.
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Perfect
 
Even with a healthy roster, I don't think Stoffense and Tefense can make you a heavy hitter.
 
AmirIcon said:
We need a better coach. It's difficult to assess what we have on our roster when the coach has a faulty game plan. It's possible we need to trade CJ, I've been open to it for years, but it's also possible he can succeed within a different framework of an NBA team. We need a new framework and to do that, we need a different coach. Unfortunately, Olshey has been acquiring players that fit into this coach's faulty system. We need to continue to stack talent and not put our eggs in one basket.
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Exactly.

Neil had a good off-season this summer. But injuries + horrible coaching derailed this season.
 
Let's be Clear here: Lillard loves his guys too, he loves Stotts and CJ is his best buddy
 
chris_in_pdx said:
https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/...ord-to-waste-damian-lillards-prime-years.html

Canzano spelled out everything I've been saying for several years: The Blazers are wasting time pissing away Dame's prime years by roster bandaids and shitty player move. Yes, they struck gold a couple of times with Nurk and Rodney, but even before that, the makeup of the team was broken with the dual-PG system and lack of defensive intensity, and I believe the two are related. When Portland gave CJ the near Max extension, it kind of sealed the fate of the team for the next several years. Olshey is loyal to "his guys" to a fault, and mediocrity is the result. It's sad, because at the end of this contract, I almost want Dame to walk and go somewhere he can win a ring. It would be different than with Clyde, who never really was the personable, approachable, involved public figure that Dame is. It was easy to frame his demanding to be traded as being an ungrateful malcontent who was a Portland Icon but never seemed to live up to that role publicly. Dame has, and does. He almost deserves Portland to move him to somewhere he can win.
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Absolutely, I agree that defense is the crippling agent of this team and Dame has pop action personnel attached to him. If the team allowed Dame to move on, the real ICON of the Blazers would be lost. He should always be our legend, no matter how our dismal season evolves. Shit, the Lakers once sucked when they lost 16 in a row to us. Why can't we improve?. Our D Sucks and our coach doesn't emphasize that important facet.
 
Dame isn't on the level of Kawhi, Giannis, etc.

Now we have young guys like Luka, Morant passing him.

Stars like Anthony Davis wont resign here so we can't trade for them.

Now the Turner Meyers contracts were a disaster.

Outside that Neil and Stotts are fine.

Neil finally had a summer where he took some risk and move away from safe guys such as Aminu who would get lots of wins but fail in the playoffs. Well the risk didn't work out. Trading CJ or firing the coach wouldn't make the team contenders this year.

The nature of the NBA is the best players win titles, Dame isnt at that level.

I dont think a new GM with no history to Jody Allen will come in and do better than Neil.

Just ride this season out and reevaluate changes in the summer.

Yeah I know fans want a better chance of contending.... sad truth is whatever action the team takes will most likely not have the Blazers contend.
 
My look into this partly agrees with JC and in some ways agrees with the reset scenario.
The thing is the Blazers have pretty much one more rebuild available around Lillard. They need to get a solid team built in the next 2-3 years and capitalize on Lillard while he is here. They have some pieces. Trade or what have you but they have Lillard, Nurk, CJ, Hood?, 1M, Little, Collins, Whiteside
They need two or three more solid pieces. I say three if they decide to trade and get better. A solid team that is deep is going to be what makes another run.

I would be on board with trying a different coach for sure. It might be time. But if you bring in a new coach you better make sure he is the one. Changing and going through three coaches in the next 4 years would be catastrophic for Lillard's career in my opinion.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Dame isn't on the level of Kawhi, Giannis, etc.

Now we have young guys like Luka, Morant passing him.

Stars like Anthony Davis wont resign here so we can't trade for them.

Now the Turner Meyers contracts were a disaster.

Outside that Neil and Stotts are fine.

Neil finally had a summer where he took some risk and move away from safe guys such as Aminu who would get lots of wins but fail in the playoffs. Well the risk didn't work out. Trading CJ or firing the coach wouldn't make the team contenders this year.

The nature of the NBA is the best players win titles, Dame isnt at that level.

I dont think a new GM with no history to Jody Allen will come in and do better than Neil.

Just ride this season out and reevaluate changes in the summer.

Yeah I know fans want a better chance of contending.... sad truth is whatever action the team takes will most likely not have the Blazers contend.
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What

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WesleyMatthews said:
Dame isn't on the level of Kawhi, Giannis, etc.

Now we have young guys like Luka, Morant passing him.

Stars like Anthony Davis wont resign here so we can't trade for them.

Now the Turner Meyers contracts were a disaster.

Outside that Neil and Stotts are fine.

Neil finally had a summer where he took some risk and move away from safe guys such as Aminu who would get lots of wins but fail in the playoffs. Well the risk didn't work out. Trading CJ or firing the coach wouldn't make the team contenders this year.

The nature of the NBA is the best players win titles, Dame isnt at that level.

I dont think a new GM with no history to Jody Allen will come in and do better than Neil.

Just ride this season out and reevaluate changes in the summer.

Yeah I know fans want a better chance of contending.... sad truth is whatever action the team takes will most likely not have the Blazers contend.
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Morant passing Lillard? WTF?
 
Tince said:
I'm blown away there are still people here who think Neil had a nice offseason when we let 6-7 people go and got 1 productive asset in return.
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He took some risks. People complained he doesn’t and is too content.

he got rid of Evan who 99% of this place hated.
He got rid of Meyers who 99% of this place bitched about for seven years. And got Hassan back.
He wanted a shooter and got Bazemore who didn’t pan out. He’s gone and they got Ariza
He and Stotts wanted a vet on the end of the bench who would be a mentor. They got Pau and Tolliver. Injuries forced Tolliver into action. Not the plan. Pau never got healthy and retired. they didn’t want to pay Aminu and couldn’t afford Curry.
I’m not sure what Neil could have done better considering the assets he had. Now if we went to keep going back to the summer of 16 forever we can go in circles.
 
hoopsjock said:
So you're admitting it's not injuries then?
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I don't think the injuries made Bazemore, Tolliver, Mario, etc. worse; if anything it gave them a chance to show if they could be productive. I think the injuries are the #1 factor in our record being so poor. I think the horrible off-season comes in 2nd.
 
calvin natt said:
He took some risks. People complained he doesn’t and is too content.

he got rid of Evan who 99% of this place hated.
He got rid of Meyers who 99% of this place bitched about for seven years. And got Hassan back.
He wanted a shooter and got Bazemore who didn’t pan out. He’s gone and they got Ariza
He and Stotts wanted a vet on the end of the bench who would be a mentor. They got Pau and Tolliver. Injuries forced Tolliver into action. Not the plan. Pau never got healthy and retired. they didn’t want to pay Aminu and couldn’t afford Curry.
I’m not sure what Neil could have done better considering the assets he had. Now if we went to keep going back to the summer of 16 forever we can go in circles.
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This is a great example of the unknown not always being better than the known.

Baze didn't work out, most everyone agrees.
Pau was never healthy, just like Festus.
Mario has been a liability.
Tolliver got put in a tough position, but never really was shown to be someone we could count on.
Whiteside - I'm not going to touch this, but this is clearly the best of all his moves.
Little hasn't proven to be ready for NBA action.

While a minimum contract guy not being great isn't a failure, of the 6 additions, it would be hard to say more than 1 was an outright success.
 
Tince said:
This is a great example of the unknown not always being better than the known.

Baze didn't work out, most everyone agrees.
Pau was never healthy, just like Festus.
Mario has been a liability.
Tolliver got put in a tough position, but never really was shown to be someone we could count on.
Whiteside - I'm not going to touch this, but this is clearly the best of all his moves.
Little hasn't proven to be ready for NBA action.

While a minimum contract guy not being great isn't a failure, of the 6 additions, it would be hard to say more than 1 was an outright success.
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I just think the off-season looks horrible because bench guys had to become starters. If those guys came in to play 10-12 mins a game we wouldn’t notice their shittiness. Tolliver should literally never have been playing but just a good veteran role model on the end of bench (Jared Jeffries type). Then he ended up starting! At center! I mean...impossible to have high expectations with this going on
 
Tince said:
I don't think the injuries made Bazemore, Tolliver, Mario, etc. worse; if anything it gave them a chance to show if they could be productive. I think the injuries are the #1 factor in our record being so poor. I think the horrible off-season comes in 2nd.
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In addition, those (as well as others) that wanted certain players gone also hyped up all the acquisitions as well as Simons in the off season well beyond what anyone should have expected. This forum has a tendency to complain, complain complain and then when changes are made they hype, hype and hype and then resort back to complain, complain, complain.
 
Tince said:
I don't think the injuries made Bazemore, Tolliver, Mario, etc. worse; if anything it gave them a chance to show if they could be productive. I think the injuries are the #1 factor in our record being so poor. I think the horrible off-season comes in 2nd.
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But how can you judge the off season moves because of the injuries? If Hood and Collins are healthy then the guys you mentioned would've never even started. In fact there were times before Hood went down that Tolliver and Hezonja weren't playing at all. If we still had Turner instead of Bazemore would we have won anymore games? I don't know, maybe, but that's not a guarantee. Plus the whole bottom line of the summer moves were that we weren't stuck with anyone long term so when Bazemore doesn't work out you move him for an Ariza.
 
CupWizier said:
In addition, those (as well as others) that wanted certain players gone also hyped up all the acquisitions as well as Simons in the off season well beyond what anyone should have expected. This forum has a tendency to complain, complain complain and then when changes are made they hype, hype and hype and then resort back to complain, complain, complain.
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Bro, I think you're stuck on a repeat cycle...
 
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