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http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2009/07/when_money_talks_turkoglu_walk.html

The Blazers overvalued the "I'm in" promise Turkoglu made after dining Wednesday with coach Nate McMillan. They went all-in too early. This recruitment was delicate. Money is always at the center of free agency, but this one was different. It needed to end up being about more than the bottom line for the Blazers to get Turkoglu.

They failed to do that.

Turkoglu would tell you McMillan was a big hit. But Roy should have been flown in to make a personal pitch to his potential teammate. The Blazers should have insisted that Mrs. Turkoglu come too, and she should have been ushered around the city and shown that Portland, like Istanbul, is a gorgeous river city that would have felt comfortable.

Because there wasn't enough left to fend off Toronto's pre-emptive offer. Money talked. Turkoglu walked.

The franchise should never forget the thought of him disappearing up Morrison Street, crossing Fifth Avenue, headed to Toronto.
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We failed because KP and co didn't do a good enough job of showing Turkoglu the city. Bull.
 
Canzano & Jaynes are idiots. Liars, too. They are why Portland has the worst media of any city in the country with a major pro team. Both of them love to kick people when they appear to be down and stick a knife in the back.
 
So Jaynes thinks we shouldn't have put on the tour, and Canzano thinks we didn't go far enough with the tour.

Let's put the two of them in Thunderdome. Two men enter, one man leaves.

And then let's kill the one that leaves.

barfo
 
barfo said:
So Jaynes thinks we shouldn't have put on the tour, and Canzano thinks we didn't go far enough with the tour.

Let's put the two of them in Thunderdome. Two men enter, one man leaves.

And then let's kill the one that leaves.

barfo
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haha, nice.
 
barfo said:
So Jaynes thinks we shouldn't have put on the tour, and Canzano thinks we didn't go far enough with the tour.

Let's put the two of them in Thunderdome. Two men enter, one man leaves.

And then let's kill the one that leaves.

barfo
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:clap::clap::clap:

Best idea I've heard in ages!

Gotta love these half-assed "sports writers". The battle is over, and all they can think of is roaming the battlefield, putting the wounded to the sword. The fact that they come to mutually exclusive conclusions as to how the Blazers "messed up", speaks for itself.
 
There are 5.5 million people in the Toronto area. Portland has what, a million? Portland needs guys like Jaynes and Canzano to talk shit, wouldn't sell papers here if they didn't. They are like snakeoil salesmen. In a large market, there are Canzano's and Jaynes' just nobody pays attention because they look like fools next to real journalists. Portland has no real journalists so Jaynes and Canzano go unchecked. I am guessing neither actually believes what they write
 
You guys sound like small town idiots. Sorry, but Canzano was named the best sports writer in the country by the AP. Big deal if he had a take you didn't like.
 
I agree with canzono. The blazers did a good job trying to convince Hedo to come here for less money. But it didn't work. They should have done a great job. Fly him and his wife out here on Blazer one. Show them the best that Portland has to offer. That might not have worked either. But it would have been nice to see us give it our best shot.

Does anyone remember the Chris Dudley courting process? That's what we should have done with Hedo.

But what do I know. Maybe the miles situation ruined everything And the Blazers are just putting on a good show for the fans that they know will be ultimately futile.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
They are why Portland has the worst media of any city in the country with a major pro team.
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I don't see how you can say that.. we've had some of the best coverage of the Blazers this past season -- more than I could ever imagine.
From Quick's Behind the Locker Room pieces, to an all-sports radio station that is essentially all Blazers all year, and all the other stuff OregonLive does, we have one of the best media in covering the team. The coverage is great IMO. I think we're grateful for what we've got here.
 
Stevenson said:
You guys sound like small town idiots. Sorry, but Canzano was named the best sports writer in the country by the AP. Big deal if he had a take you didn't like.
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It is a very sad comment that anybody would consider Canzano a "sports writer" at all. Try "low rent gossip columnist", or maybe "tabloid parasite".

If one has to be a "big town sophisticate" to appreciate his work - I will happily hunker down here in my little mud hut.
 
Stevenson said:
You guys sound like small town idiots. Sorry, but Canzano was named the best sports writer in the country by the AP. Big deal if he had a take you didn't like.
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A take?

Ed O.
 
B-Roy said:
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2009/07/when_money_talks_turkoglu_walk.html



We failed because KP and co didn't do a good enough job of showing Turkoglu the city. Bull.
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I don't know.

I think he has some good points.

When I heard the first rumors that Turk's wife had a strong preference for Toronto, AND then I heard that Turk was coming to Portland alone, that raised a red flag for me right away.

We don't know if the Blazers tried to court his wife too. But, if they didn't Canzano is right that the Blazers screwed up.

I don't know if Brandon Roy called Turk, which should have been the very minimum, and Canzano is right, Roy should have been in Portland meeting with Turk. Don't think he was here. If he wasn't, then Canzano has a point.

I don't know why some of the posters here want to give a free pass to the Blazers organization. We don't have all the facts.

But, this is what we do know:

The Blazers promised that the "Cap Space Plan" would eventually lead to an outstanding acquisition.

After all that time, their Number 1 target was the very underwhelming free agent, Hedo Turkoglu.

After a public courtship, and a contract offer that was already painfully high, Hedo told them yes, then told them no.

Maybe the Blazers turn this around and end up with a good result after all. But, what we do know is that by their own stated goals they have FAILED.

Why we can't critisize, analyize or attempt to dissect that failure, I am not sure.
 
Masbee said:
I don't know.

I think he has some good points.

When I heard the first rumors that Turk's wife had a strong preference for Toronto, AND then I heard that Turk was coming to Portland alone, that raised a red flag for me right away.

We don't know if the Blazers tried to court his wife too. But, if they didn't Canzano is right that the Blazers screwed up.

I don't know if Brandon Roy called Turk, which should have been the very minimum, and Canzano is right, Roy should have been in Portland meeting with Turk. Don't think he was here. If he wasn't, then Canzano has a point.

I don't know why some of the posters here want to give a free pass to the Blazers organization. We don't have all the facts.

But, this is what we do know:

The Blazers promised that the "Cap Space Plan" would eventually lead to an outstanding acquisition.

After all that time, their Number 1 target was the very underwhelming free agent, Hedo Turkoglu.

After a public courtship, and a contract offer that was already painfully high, Hedo told them yes, then told them no.

Maybe the Blazers turn this around and end up with a good result after all. But, what we do know is that by their own stated goals they have FAILED.

Why we can't critisize, analyize or attempt to dissect that failure, I am not sure.
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I agree with this. The Blazers' FO did fail if you consider what their stated objectives were. Fortunately, I think this will work out well for them. Turkoglu would not have helped this team.
 
tlongII said:
I agree with this. The Blazers' FO did fail if you consider what their stated objectives were. Fortunately, I think this will work out well for them. Turkoglu would not have helped this team.
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Agreed. I was never sold on Turkoglu being the acquisition that puts the Blazers over the top.
 
Stevenson said:
You guys sound like small town idiots. Sorry, but Canzano was named the best sports writer in the country by the AP. Big deal if he had a take you didn't like.
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I congratulate John Canzano on winning best sports writer in the country. An amazing task to submit five articles with the same premise (sob story revolving around sports that inform the reader base that hey there are more important things than sports) that he actually writes at least ten times a year.

For the past seven years.
 
Kind of funny to read this thread. If you go on other team's forums from around the country or listen to their sports talk radio, they all think they have the most annoying or least intelligent sports columnists in the country. Anyone ever read Paige in Denver? Or TJ Simers in LA? There are three or four sports columnists in Chicago that draw 10x as much ire as Canzano.

SOOOOO small time to think your team is being picked on by the local media.
 
The Blazers should have insisted that Mrs. Turkoglu come too, and she should have been ushered around the city and shown that Portland, like Istanbul, is a gorgeous river city that would have felt comfortable.
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I've been to Istanbul actually and I'm pretty sure there isn't a river there. There is the Bosphorus Strait which is more akin to the Panama Canal or the Strait of Gibraltar (another key strategic point in ancient times).

Sorry if that sounds small town to anyone here. Just because you live in Portland and you think Canzano sucks doesn't mean your small town. I've been to about 27 countries and perhaps our standards as a species or nation have dropped but Canzano is pretty bad by virtually any reasonable measure. If he's the best in the country I feel sorry for everyone else. On the other hand if Colin Cowherd gets a national show that tells me something. Wow, if the Turkoglu incident didn't get me up on a bridge, then contemplating the plight of sports "journalism" might make me consider it!
 
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BLAZER PROPHET said:
Canzano & Jaynes are idiots. Liars, too. They are why Portland has the worst media of any city in the country with a major pro team. Both of them love to kick people when they appear to be down and stick a knife in the back.
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Ironic that the Toronto Star is probably the worst sports source in North America.
 
Uh I don't think anyone thinks Canzano is horrible for 'picking' on the team. I think they think he's horrible because he's a sensationalist that tries to pass a columnist/journalist who gets facts incorrect on a consistent basis in regards to the things he writes about. He has a terrible understanding of Portland's cap situation and the basic clauses in the NBA'S CBA yet continues to butcher them in multiple columns despite being corrected by his reader base multiple times over several years.

If it is small time to wish that your major newspaper employs someone who has a basic understanding of the topics they write about then well I'll gladly be small time. It is embarrassing that The Columbian's Brian Hendrickson outclasses both Canzano and Quick on the understandings of the NBA and the Blazers statistic information yet gets about 1/8th of the 'credit' and recognition that they do.
 
barfo said:
So Jaynes thinks we shouldn't have put on the tour, and Canzano thinks we didn't go far enough with the tour.

Let's put the two of them in Thunderdome. Two men enter, one man leaves.

And then let's kill the one that leaves.

barfo
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:clap: :lol: :clap: :lol: :clap:
 
Stevenson said:
You guys sound like small town idiots. Sorry, but Canzano was named the best sports writer in the country by the AP. Big deal if he had a take you didn't like.
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So? He's still a hack who lies and kicks people when they're down. His knowledge of sports is about that of an 18 year old.

That said, every so often (4-6 times per year) he'll write a really excellent article and I wonder why doesn't he try this more often rather than being a hack.
 
alex42083 said:
I don't see how you can say that.. we've had some of the best coverage of the Blazers this past season -- more than I could ever imagine.
From Quick's Behind the Locker Room pieces, to an all-sports radio station that is essentially all Blazers all year, and all the other stuff OregonLive does, we have one of the best media in covering the team. The coverage is great IMO. I think we're grateful for what we've got here.
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A point well taken. It's getting better in some circles.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
Uh I don't think anyone thinks Canzano is horrible for 'picking' on the team. I think they think he's horrible because he's a sensationalist that tries to pass a columnist/journalist who gets facts incorrect on a consistent basis in regards to the things he writes about. He has a terrible understanding of Portland's cap situation and the basic clauses in the NBA'S CBA yet continues to butcher them in multiple columns despite being corrected by his reader base multiple times over several years.

If it is small time to wish that your major newspaper employs someone who has a basic understanding of the topics they write about then well I'll gladly be small time. It is embarrassing that The Columbian's Brian Hendrickson outclasses both Canzano and Quick on the understandings of the NBA and the Blazers statistic information yet gets about 1/8th of the 'credit' and recognition that they do.
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Okay Brian

jk :wink: thanks for the tip, I'll check his stuff out. Canzano may have a good point every now and then, but I gave up trying to sort out the BS a long time back and won't click his or Quick's links. Both are consistently terrible

STOMP
 
barfo said:
So Jaynes thinks we shouldn't have put on the tour, and Canzano thinks we didn't go far enough with the tour.

Let's put the two of them in Thunderdome. Two men enter, one man leaves.

And then let's kill the one that leaves.

barfo
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:lol::clap:
 
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