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Don't trade Aldridge.

The Blazers should not trade LaMarcus Aldridge. I'm getting a lot of email from readers who are listening to trade rumors and reports. Look. If there's truly an offer out there involving Aldridge, the organization is nuts. You don't trade a guy who is young, great and looks like he'll be a 10-year starter for you. Especially not for Amare Stoudamire, who doesn't fit the culture GM Kevin Pritchard always talks about.
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Personally, I think Rebecca got to him.

And for all those who are too lazy to go over to OLive without a direct Link, here it is.
 
I'm in the keep LaMarcus camp. I'm just not convinced Amare is the guy who will take us to a championship level.
 
Aldridge is not "great" as a player. Sorry. He might be "great" as a person, but that's less relevant to wins and losses than greatness on the court.

Canzano never seems to know what he's talking about, even when I agree with his conclusions.

Ed O.
 
aldridge has never looked to me like an all star and i doubt he will ever be one. hes a "nice" player but not someone you can depend on in big games. id ragther have roy, butler and then aldridge as a 3rd option
 
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MIXUM said:
aldridge has never looked to me like an all star and i doubt he will ever be one. hes a "nice" player but not someone you can depend on in big games. id ragther have roy, butler and then aldridge as a 3rd option
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KP said to my face that Aldridge has the highest ceiling of any Blazer right now. Since Roy's a 2-time all-star, and Oden's got a pretty bright one himself, that says something to me.
 
Aldridge reminds me a lot of Webster. He has the body, the form, the talent . . . only his own mind is holding him back.

If Aldridge can develop more confidence and maybe a little more killer instinct (remember him calling Ricky Davis his "Bitch" after sinking some free throws?) then I do think he could be a great all star. He just has to get over the mental part.
 
Rofl since when did aldridge deserve to be traded, and why is everyone baggin him, talk about some fairweather fans!
 
blue32 said:
Rofl since when did aldridge deserve to be traded, and why is everyone baggin him, talk about some fairweather fans!
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Who said he deserves to be traded?

Did I miss that?

I, personally, would probably be willing to trade Aldridge for Amare. Not because I don't think that Aldridge isn't very good nor because he deserves to be traded.

Ed O.
 
Aldridge is still on the way up. Amare has peaked but is still a top tier talent. I think Aldridge is about 2-3 years until realizing his full potential....i'll enjoy the ride with him on board. dunno if i'd do an amare trade....certainly not with LMA and the RLEC
 
Ed O said:
Who said he deserves to be traded?

Did I miss that?

I, personally, would probably be willing to trade Aldridge for Amare. Not because I don't think that Aldridge isn't very good nor because he deserves to be traded.

Ed O.
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I don't know if someone came out and specifically said that per say, but the insinuation on some of these threads talking about how Amare is a huge upgrade over Aldridge and that we should trade him no-brainer strike me as kind of odd.

Sure Amare is good, but he's not THAT good to instantly propel us to the next level, and in fact, I would hope we would use our trade abilities for something that will help us more, like a solid wing defender, etc.

I didn't mean to point any specifics at you Ed. :) just commenting on the general opinion I'm reading on here.
 
Ed O said:
Who said he deserves to be traded?


I, personally, would probably be willing to trade Aldridge for Amare. Not because I don't think that Aldridge isn't very good nor because he deserves to be traded.

Ed O.
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I agree. I'd trade LaMarcus for Amare for the simple fact that Amar'e IS an upgrade and is only 26 years old.
 
blue32 said:
I didn't mean to point any specifics at you Ed. :) just commenting on the general opinion I'm reading on here.
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Gotcha.

I don't think, though, that it's inconsistent to say that I am happy to have LA but I see Amare as a massive upgrade. Thinking Stoudemire is a lot better doesn't mean that I think Aldridge deserves to be traded.

I would trade any player on the team in order to upgrade. Roy and Oden are almost impossible to upgrade on... Aldridge is a very good player, but there are players at the power forward spot that may become available to improve the team, and Stoudemire is one of those guys.

Ed O.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Aldridge is still on the way up.
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I hope so, but am not sure. His numbers this year look a little flat after last year (not much improvement), even though his game seems to have matured. He needs to cross some mental barriers to do much more.

AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Amare has peaked but is still a top tier talent.
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Again, probably, but not sure. He is only 26 or 27 right? Who knows what he will do on a different team. He may still show more yet.

I would probably keep Aldridge over Amare, but not over Bosh. However, that is all based on my perceptions of their value over the next few years. Aldridge could remain a 17/7 guy the rest of his career, or could end up a 22/9 guy.
 
Fez said:
I agree. I'd trade LaMarcus for Amare for the simple fact that Amar'e IS an upgrade and is only 26 years old.
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Amare's career future-health-wise is comparable to that of Darius Miles, as is his (lack of) work ethic.

In the big picture LaMarcus is the "greater" package.
 
Ed O said:
Gotcha.

I don't think, though, that it's inconsistent to say that I am happy to have LA but I see Amare as a massive upgrade. Thinking Stoudemire is a lot better doesn't mean that I think Aldridge deserves to be traded.

I would trade any player on the team in order to upgrade. Roy and Oden are almost impossible to upgrade on... Aldridge is a very good player, but there are players at the power forward spot that may become available to improve the team, and Stoudemire is one of those guys.

Ed O.
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On paper, that may be true. As a practical matter, I am not so sure.

Adding Amare means firing Nate, permanently freezing Oden out of the offense, and probably trading or underutilizing Roy. Amare is essentially a more talented version of Zach, who can't be bothered to rebound consistently. When a guy tells the media "I am no longer a team captain, so I no longer have to provide leadership", you have to really wonder where his head is at.
 
oldmangrouch said:
On paper, that may be true. As a practical matter, I am not so sure.

Adding Amare means firing Nate, permanently freezing Oden out of the offense, and probably trading or underutilizing Roy. Amare is essentially a more talented version of Zach, who can't be bothered to rebound consistently.
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I don't really agree with any of this. Sorry, OMG. You've built up what appears to be a worst-case scenario in your head... Oden get permanently frozen out? Roy getting traded?

Why? And why? Oden barely gets shots now, and I think he might get more if we had another guy who would draw double-teams. Aldridge rarely does that. Roy could go back to being the player that is most natural for him: a guy who does a lot of things well and scores easily but doesn't FORCE things, as he often does now because we don't have that many offensive options.

I just don't see how any of your post would be likely, except maybe Nate, and I think that it's pretty likely he's not going to be here long-term in any case.

When a guy tells the media "I am no longer a team captain, so I no longer have to provide leadership", you have to really wonder where his head is at.
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I don't know the context for that quote, but I wouldn't be overly concerned about it because it is, at some level, true. If the Suns removed his captaincy I can see why he would be insulted and, if a reporter asked him (as an example), "How can you lead this team full of veterans even though you're no longer a captain?" his answer seems perfectly reasonable.

Should a 26 year-old on a team with Nash, Shaq and Grant Hill really be relied upon to lead that team?

Ed O.
 
ED, I understand your points...but this time we just have to agree to disagree.
 
The thing is though, Amare isn't better than Aldridge and if he is he's only slightly better. Aldridge is a better back to the basket scorer, better defender, has more range, better rebounder(which is sad), and is an overall smarter player. The only thing Amare has shown to do better is put up slightly more PPG in a super fast pace offense and a world class PG. If we trade for Amare we still don't address any of the team needs, such as a backup PF or longtime starting PG or SF.
 
Hell I'd rather have Z-bo back than Amare, at least Z-bo can play in a half-court set.
 
Da_O said:
Hell I'd rather have Z-bo back than Amare, at least Z-bo can play in a half-court set.
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You lost any credibility.

Amare is a tier above LaMarcus.

Zach, despite his #'s, is a tier below both Amare and LaMarcus.

Amare > Aldridge > Randolph
 
Fez said:
You lost any credibility.

Amare is a tier above LaMarcus.

Zach, despite his #'s, is a tier below both Amare and LaMarcus.

Amare > Aldridge > Randolph
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Please enlighten me? ... and Stoudemire is right there with Z-Bo in defense; consider "Defensive Adjusted +/-" from last season.

http://www.82games.com/ilardi2d.htm#table

You can also compare Stoudemire and Aldridge in "Defensive Adjusted +/-" last season, with Stoudemire recording a -2.63 and Aldridge checking in at +3.06.

http://www.82games.com/ilardi2d.htm#table

In other words, according to that advanced metric, Aldridge saved his team 5.69 points defensively per 100 possessions when compared to Stoudemire. And in "Overall Adjusted +/-", Aldridge scored a +5.27 to Stoudemire's +1.76, meaning that Aldridge was worth 3.51 more points per 100 possessions overall.

And that was last year when Amare was putting up like 28 points per game.

http://www.82games.com/ilardi2.htm#table

An opposing team's scout sizes up the Suns

... Amaré Stoudemire is a horrific defender, and when you look at somebody so athletically skilled as he is, you have to wonder if it's a matter of effort.

... Stoudemire is past the age where you talk about his potential. Will he be a winner? The reason he fell to No. 9 in the 2002 draft was because teams were scared of him as an inconsistent personality. He is an exceptional talent, but one thing he has never done is defend. He just doesn't do it. So I don't know how much of a building block he can be as they move forward hoping to create more of a defensive-mindedness. ...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/basketball/nba/10/22/suns/

Last season, Stoudemire finished second-to-last in "Defensive Adjusted +/-" among power forwards and centers who played over 2,000 minutes.

http://www.82games.com/ilardi2d.htm#table
 
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Aldridge while a bad rebounding PF is better than Amare which is sad. Since Amare's has to work to create his own offense his efficiency has gone terribly down. He's been spoonfed by Nash for far too long. He won't have Nash here in Portland.

Aldridge>Amare

Tell me one way how Amare is better besides a slightly better PPG in a fast paced offense with a world class PG.

Aldridge is younger, Aldridge is a better back to the basket scorer, Aldridge is a better rebounder, Aldridge is a better defender, Aldridge has more potential, Aldridge can create his own shot better.

Amare is a better finisher I'll give him that but is a finished product.
 
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