Joe Cronin

[hoopsjock]

Never heard of anyone not being able to be traded for a year after signing, is that even a thing

In normal seasons, anyone who signs an extension is ineligible to be traded for 6 months. So if it's late enough in the off season, it makes that date past the trade deadline. The last two years because of timeline of the off season being later they've reduced that down for this year. Brogdon for example can't be traded this year cause his date is still after the trade deadline.

If a player signs a Super Max they can't be traded for 1 year.

There are also scenarios where a player has veto rights for a year, like when we matched on Crabbe's offer sheet or when we traded for Hood because of his bird rights, but they can still be traded during that season.

But yeah, very rare someone is ineligible to be traded for a full year.

 

[hoopsjock]

If you think guys like CJ, Powell, Simons, Nas along with Roco are poor trade assets your assessment of the league and/or those players is off, no offense.

Any team that trades for Powell knows they have him locked up on a decent contract for 4 more seasons after this one. That's gonna have some value, especially to some small market teams that struggle in free agency.

 

[Shaboid]

Changes need to come because this roster has me suffering from Cronin's Disease.

 

[Scalma]

Any team that trades for Powell knows they have him locked up on a decent contract for 4 more seasons after this one. That's gonna have some value, especially to some small market teams that struggle in free agency.

yeah blazers are really set up well to make trades because they have everything; bigger contracts, mid tier contracts, rookie scales, expirings (w/ bird rights.) It’s really just up to Cronin and how much he wants to “blow” it up. You wanna see a team with actual poor assets? Look at the Lakers.

 

[hoopsjock]

One of the biggest obstacles to making a bunch of moves during the season is that there are now in essence 20 playoff spots for 30 teams. A lot of teams that would be sellers at this point still feel like they could be a playoff team. Combine that with what Scalma said about teams like the Lakers who could use some of our players but don't really have much to give back in return and it makes for a tough situation.

I feel like Cronin has to make at least one splash if he wants to keep his job past this season, so he shouldn't be afraid to make a big trade.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Sleepy Joe is still analyzing this roster

 

[blazerkor]

Sleepy Joe is still analyzing this roster

There's just no basis for this. The guy has to make sure that he gets the best deals possible just like other GMs have to, so the likelihood that we won't see anything until around the trade deadline remains high. That doesn't mean that Cronin isn't working or that he is risk averse like Olshey. Complain about what he's done with the roster if you don't like it after the deadline has passed. Sorry but you may have to be patient for a little over six more weeks.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

A little birdie told me….

Joe is waiting to see every different combo play together before he begins to tinker with the roster.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

A little birdie told me….

Joe is waiting to see every different combo play together before he begins to tinker with the roster.

He has been around long enough to see it. I'm patient until the offseason. If we go into next season with largely the same roster......

 

[Mediocre Man]

A little birdie told me….

Joe is waiting to see every different combo play together before he begins to tinker with the roster.

That’s a crock of shit. Not the info, the premise. He’s seen the roster

 

[illmatic99]

A little birdie told me….

Joe is waiting to see every different combo play together before he begins to tinker with the roster.

Lol what combos does he need to see more of

 

[Minstrel]

Lol what combos does he need to see more of

Needs to see the Lillard/McCollum/Powell/Simons unit play significant minutes before he can be sure that 4 small guards won't work.

 

[Boise Blazer]

That’s a crock of shit. Not the info, the premise. He’s seen the roster

Agreed. This is the style/attitude/thought process that got us into this mess. Essentially "just wait, it's going to work when such and such" or "let's see what happens when... ". It's infuriating that so many people can see what management can't...

 

[blazerkor]

Agreed. This is the style/attitude/thought process that got us into this mess. Essentially "just wait, it's going to work when such and such" or "let's see what happens when... ". It's infuriating that so many people can see what management can't...

I think that waiting to see what the best value we can get out of these guys once they're back on the court showing other GMs that they can contribute right away (this especially applies to CJ) makes a lot more sense and when you're getting second hand info, that could easily get morphed into what @Fez Forthright said a little birdie said.

Edit: I'm still giving Joe a chance. If we make trades before the deadline to tank this season and reload in the off season for next season, that's logical. If we make trades that improve the team now and build some momentum with the new group going into the off season and next season, that's also logical even if it means losing our pick and another first round exit. If we do nothing, we will decrease our lottery odds and possibly even squeak into the playoffs through the play in and get swept out of the first round... this would be an exercise in futility, be infuriating and would hopefully end up with a new GM, with actual vision because Joe will have shown nothing.

 

[riverman]

I was surfing the NBA trade rumor mill and found an article by a Jazz fan/blogger who mentioned the Jazz were interested in Joe Ingles for Roco.......I thought that was interesting...they thought Roco next to Gobert would be a great pairing..Joe can shoot 3s..high bb IQ...probably.got a couple good years left in him

 

[hoopsjock]

I was surfing the NBA trade rumor mill and found an article by a Jazz fan/blogger who mentioned the Jazz were interested in Joe Ingles for Roco.......I thought that was interesting...they thought Roco next to Gobert would be a great pairing..Joe can shoot 3s..high bb IQ...probably.got a couple good years left in him

That's a great trade for us!

 

[riverman]

That's a great trade for us!

I thought so too...it went way under the radar but the guy said the Jazz were seriously interested in getting Roco ....I'd do that trade tomorrow and I think this is exactly what Joe should do...target trades like this that will fill holes in the roster

 

[blazerkor]

I thought so too...it went way under the radar but the guy said the Jazz were seriously interested in getting Roco ....I'd do that trade tomorrow and I think this is exactly what Joe should do...target trades like this that will fill holes in the roster

As long as one of those trades sends CJ out or Chauncey has the power and guts to not play Dame and CJ together, then those kinds of trades could make the rest of the season more watchable but that's not a major needle mover and would likely only diminish our chances of drafting a difference maker and not make us more competitive when it comes to actually contending any time soon.

In a bubble I love the move but in our reality it's just bailing a little more water out of a still sinking ship.

 

[riverman]

As long as one of those trades sends CJ out or Chauncey has the power and guts to not play Dame and CJ together, then those kinds of trades could make the rest of the season more watchable but that's not a major needle mover and would likely only diminish our chances of drafting a difference maker and not make us more competitive when it comes to actually contending any time soon.

In a bubble I love the move but in our reality it's just bailing a little more water out of a still sinking ship.

It has nothing to do with CJ....Roco for Ingles gives us some offense at the 4.....we've had games where Roco and Nance combined for 4 pts at the 4.....and we can't outscore anybody now...we need better 3 pt shooting in the starting unit....we have several holes to fill but this is just one of them.

 

[blazerkor]

It has nothing to do with CJ....Roco for Ingles gives us some offense at the 4.....we've had games where Roco and Nance combined for 4 pts at the 4.....and we can't outscore anybody now...we need better 3 pt shooting in the starting unit....we have several holes to fill but this is just one of them.

Like I said it's a good trade and would result in probably like four more wins which is a pretty big impact but instead of it impacting us in a way that brings us closer to contention, it would just bring us less talent in the draft. The biggest hole we have is our starting back court's inability to defend, if that's not fixed all of the RoCo for Ingles trades in the world as good as they are won't get us where we need to go.

So I'm all for that trade if it is followed up by a much bigger trade or trades that actually bring this team closer to contention. That's if the idea is to be more competitive this season, if the idea is to get the highest pick possible I'm against this trade and would want to trade RoCo for draft considerations and a young player(s) who is much worse than Ingles right now but projects to be better in the future.

 

[hoopsjock]

Like I said it's a good trade and would result in probably like four more wins which is a pretty big impact but instead of it impacting us in a way that brings us closer to contention, it would just bring us less talent in the draft. The biggest hole we have is our starting back court's inability to defend, if that's not fixed all of the RoCo for Ingles trades in the world as good as they are won't get us where we need to go.

So I'm all for that trade if it is followed up by a much bigger trade or trades that actually bring this team closer to contention. That's if the idea is to be more competitive this season, if the idea is to get the highest pick possible I'm against this trade and would want to trade RoCo for draft considerations and a young player(s) who is much worse than Ingles right now but projects to be better in the future.

We'd have Ingles' Bird Rights though, he's the type of player that fits with any sort of play style and would help us next year.

 

[Minstrel]

Ingles provides some offense, but takes the defense down yet another notch. Ingles has been one of the poor performers on that end of the court for the Jazz, which is why he's (rumored to be) on the trade block. Covington lately has shown some glimpses of the old Covington on the defensive end. I guess such a trade might at least make the offense more watchable and therefore Blazers games more entertaining--they can try to win shootouts when Lillard is feeling healthy.

 

[Freshtown]

The reason ingles is available is that he’s declining. Prime ingles would be great but he’s a bit washed now.

 

[wizenheimer]

RoCo for Ingles would be just another in a string of 'olshey-specials'...trades that don't do a damn thing to make Portland better, but do take another piece off the board for trades that could make a difference. Useless trades that mask an ineffective GM. Wasted energy

if RoCo is needed to complete a major trade, fine. If he's traded for a 1st round pick, fine. But RoCo for Ingles is just shuffling deck chairs on a sinking ship

 

[SlyPokerCat]

RoCo for Ingles would be just another in a string of 'olshey-specials'...trades that don't do a damn thing to make Portland better, but do take another piece off the board for trades that could make a difference. Useless trades that mask an ineffective GM. Wasted energy

if RoCo is needed to complete a major trade, fine. If he's traded for a 1st round pick, fine. But RoCo for Ingles is just shuffling deck chairs on a sinking ship

I hope that trade doesn't happen so I don't have to read people praising us for the trade and creating unrealistic hope on how it will turn this sinking ship around.

 

[RR7]

Ingles is older, more expensive, meaning more tax $$, and is also an expiring, so doesn't even give us the benefit of a trade chip for the offseason or next year. See no point in that deal unless Utah was sending incentive back with him, and it's not like they have any young guys with intrigue. They also can't move a 1st until 2026, traded away their next 2 2nds. So the best we'd get is Memphis' 2nd round pick this year? No thanks.

 

[illmatic99]

ingles makes no sense

 

[riverman]

RoCo for Ingles would be just another in a string of 'olshey-specials'...trades that don't do a damn thing to make Portland better, but do take another piece off the board for trades that could make a difference. Useless trades that mask an ineffective GM. Wasted energy

if RoCo is needed to complete a major trade, fine. If he's traded for a 1st round pick, fine. But RoCo for Ingles is just shuffling deck chairs on a sinking ship

Couldn't disagree more....it's one small trade in a cluster of moves that need to be made now...we need size and scoring and passing....we're getting bupkiss from the 4 starting or off the bench as it is and getting beat every night by 3 pt shooting....we need better 3 pt shooting in Roco's slot...it's neither a useless trade or wasted energy but if you draft another Noah Vonleh or TRob you would be wasting Dames prime waiting 3 years for a guy to learn the NBA game....Dame want's to win now and so do I.....the lottery is a complete crap shoot ....look at Zion. It's time to surround Dame with vets that have chemistry....not rookies that (might) work out. We're going to get a lottery pick anyway......we can have both ....people trust this magical draft rebuild a lot more than I do around here..I want guys on Dame's curve to make a run for the next 3-4 seasons...this isn't one of those seasons.

 

[hoopsjock]

Ingles is older, more expensive, meaning more tax $$, and is also an expiring, so doesn't even give us the benefit of a trade chip for the offseason or next year. See no point in that deal unless Utah was sending incentive back with him, and it's not like they have any young guys with intrigue. They also can't move a 1st until 2026, traded away their next 2 2nds. So the best we'd get is Memphis' 2nd round pick this year? No thanks.

Ingles makes less than RoCo (about half a million less).

The reason ingles is available is that he’s declining. Prime ingles would be great but he’s a bit washed now.

So he'd help our tank!

RoCo for Ingles would be just another in a string of 'olshey-specials'...trades that don't do a damn thing to make Portland better, but do take another piece off the board for trades that could make a difference. Useless trades that mask an ineffective GM. Wasted energy

if RoCo is needed to complete a major trade, fine. If he's traded for a 1st round pick, fine. But RoCo for Ingles is just shuffling deck chairs on a sinking ship

I know it prevents us for combining Ingles in a trade with other salaries but there might be teams that would be more interested in Ingles than RoCo so it doesn't necessarily take a piece off the board.

 

[Scalma]

We have maybe the worst perimeter defense in the league so let’s add a 34 year old Joe Ingles? Lol what? I’m not against trading Roco, but only for another defensive minded player, maybe some younger talent who hasn’t broken out yet. Otherwise I’d just keep him around. That goes for everyone else that plays defense on this team..which is pretty much just Nance and Nurk, and maybe Little. CJ, Powell, Simons are my top trade guys, in order.