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NBA exec: "Blazers blew a chance to get something for Rudy on draft day --- waited too long. Be lucky to get a 2nd rounder now." Ya think?
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:sigh:
 
I thought Toronto might bite with a better offer if the Blazers waited. I thought their euro experts might think he would do a lot better with them. Just didn't happen.
 
Why give him away for a lesser prospect? Hold onto him until July 1st and try to use him and Aldridge to entice a sign and trade for Bosh.
 
I've suspected for a little while that he might be only worth a second round pick at this point; he holds most of the leverage because he can go back to Europe and hold out (which would be the nuclear option), or he can back here and be a disruptive cancer (if he wanted to). I was shocked when I initially heard his name inked to multiple teams, but I think that was pretty clearly leaked out by the blazers in an attempt to pump up his value. I say to hell with him, cut bait now and chalk it up to a loss.
 
No reason just to dump him though. If he can be part of a trade to bring back a quality player, then go for it. With Marty now gone he is our best outside threat, right? There was nobody outside the top 6 players or so that could help us more this season then Rudy can.
 
I do not believe we cost ourselves a championship by not trading Rudy at the lowest point in his career. We do not need another second rounder at this point, so keeping him is the best thing to do. With a new coaching staff and a new year, maybe Rudy figures it out. If not, I am not going to be sorry we turned down crap for him.
 
HCP said:
No reason just to dump him though. If he can be part of a trade to bring back a quality player, then go for it. With Marty now gone he is our best outside threat, right? There was nobody outside the top 6 players or so that could help us more this season then Rudy can.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. There is nothing that Rudy does that I don't want Nic doing. With Webster gone it doesn't sound like Rudy needs more minutes at all, it means Nic needs more than 22 per game (or whatever the hell it's been).
 
HCP said:
With Marty now gone he is our best outside threat, right?
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Among proven players, I'd trust Batum more than Rudy to take a perimeter shot, and I suspect Babbitt will be a more consistent outside threat than Rudy.
 
HCP said:
No reason just to dump him though. If he can be part of a trade to bring back a quality player, then go for it. With Marty now gone he is our best outside threat, right? There was nobody outside the top 6 players or so that could help us more this season then Rudy can.
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Wrong. I would rather have Batum shooting.

EDIT: Oops! I didn't refresh the page to see Minstrel's post.
 
Speaking of trade value, the guys on Courtside said that the team is getting a ton of calls about Dante Cunningham.
 
Why would anyone deal with Portland right now, or even in the past month? The entire league knew that Pritchard was on his way out. May as well wait to see who fills the power vacuum and then try to fleece them this summer if you want Rudy. If I'm Rudy's agent, and he really does want out of Portland, I start leaking things to the press about Rudy wanting to move and try to weaken Portland's leverage, if there is any left at this point. Test the new GM, or Bert Kolde, or whoever is in charge now.

As I look back on the past three months, why would anybody in the NBA take Portland seriously in a trade? Free agency starts in 5 days, and Larry Miller says we won't start the search for a GM until 3 days from now! How can anybody have faith in this clusterfuck organization at this point? I'd love to hear some spin. Make me feel better about this situation.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Speaking of trade value, the guys on Courtside said that the team is getting a ton of calls about Dante Cunningham.
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Great. At Dante's contract, what do you get in return? A bag of practice balls? Talk about filler after receiving the "don't talk about Pritchard" mandate from the bosses.
 
BGrantFan said:
Why would anyone deal with Portland right now, or even in the past month? The entire league knew that Pritchard was on his way out. May as well wait to see who fills the power vacuum and then try to fleece them this summer if you want Rudy. If I'm Rudy's agent, and he really does want out of Portland, I start leaking things to the press about Rudy wanting to move and try to weaken Portland's leverage, if there is any left at this point. Test the new GM, or Bert Kolde, or whoever is in charge now.

As I look back on the past three months, why would anybody in the NBA take Portland seriously in a trade? Free agency starts in 5 days, and Larry Miller says we won't start the search for a GM until 3 days from now! How can anybody have faith in this clusterfuck organization at this point? I'd love to hear some spin. Make me feel better about this situation.
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Took the Blazers years to be once again looked at as a well run organization and they pissed it all away. Fucking amazing. It taints next season(for me). It's hard to get behind these guys. My enthusiasm for the team's future has definitely been tamed. I'm not as excited anymore. Only thing that can possibly change it is Oden becoming the player we all hope he will be, but I'm not counting on it.

Ugh.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I've suspected for a little while that he might be only worth a second round pick at this point; he holds most of the leverage because he can go back to Europe and hold out (which would be the nuclear option), or he can back here and be a disruptive cancer (if he wanted to). I was shocked when I initially heard his name inked to multiple teams, but I think that was pretty clearly leaked out by the blazers in an attempt to pump up his value. I say to hell with him, cut bait now and chalk it up to a loss.
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Did you think we could trade Martell for the 16th pick in a draft? It sort of shocked me. I would have figured his value worse, especially coming off the Sergio trade last year. By the way, wouldnt you love to know what kind of offers Pritchard claims he was getting for Sergio after his rookie season?

I think maybe NBA teams over-value draft picks, similar to NFL GMs. Rudy may yield more in a trade not involving picks. I sincerely hope N.O. fancies him a close facsimile to Peja and maybe he can help land us Collison. Too bad we dont have a GM to engineer it.
 
RoyToy said:
Took the Blazers years to be once again looked at as a well run organization and they pissed it all away. Fucking amazing. It taints next season(for me). It's hard to get behind these guys. My enthusiasm for the team's future has definitely been tamed. I'm not as excited anymore. Only thing that can possibly change it is Oden becoming the player we all hope he will be, but I'm not counting on it.

Ugh.
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I honestly believe if we can land CP3 this entire mess will barely be a blip on the radar.
 
BGrantFan said:
I'd love to hear some spin. Make me feel better about this situation.
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My only hope is that Born and Buchanon can do good quality work, as Pritchard's former (and perhaps future) lieutenants, until the next GM is installed.
 
RoyToy said:
Took the Blazers years to be once again looked at as a well run organization and they pissed it all away. Fucking amazing. It taints next season(for me). It's hard to get behind these guys. My enthusiasm for the team's future has definitely been tamed. I'm not as excited anymore. Only thing that can possibly change it is Oden becoming the player we all hope he will be, but I'm not counting on it.

Ugh.
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I mean, we don't have a fucking GM, and the summer of all summers starts in 5 days.

I don't get it. I understand that Pritchard may have deserved to be fired, although I don't necessarily accept that view, but why the fuck don't we have Plan B already in place???? Sign and trades, people!
 
Minstrel said:
My only hope is that Born and Buchanon can do good quality work, as Pritchard's former (and perhaps future) lieutenants, until the next GM is installed.
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Do they have the authority to make trades? They are scouts. They have been focused on the draft. Pritchard as the NBA scout, for all intents and purposes, and he made the calls to oter GMs.
 
Drttimmy said:
Did you think we could trade Martell for the 16th pick in a draft? It sort of shocked me. I would have figured his value worse, especially coming off the Sergio trade last year. By the way, wouldnt you love to know what kind of offers Pritchard claims he was getting for Sergio after his rookie season?

I think maybe NBA teams over-value draft picks, similar to NFL GMs. Rudy may yield more in a trade not involving picks. I sincerely hope N.O. fancies him a close facsimile to Peja and maybe he can help land us Collison. Too bad we dont have a GM to engineer it.
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I think other teams think he can defend a couple of positions and I think David Kahn in particular really wanted him ... Does the sixteenth pick surprise me? Yeah maybe a little bit given the size of Martell's deal and his inconsistency, but maybe they think he'll be a lot more consistent for them than he was for us.

As for Rudy I think a lot of teams see a guy who can barely guard a chair, hit below 40% on two pointers, can't really dribble or create his own shot and is 25 years old ... and to cap it all off has intimated that he may just bag the whole NBA thing and go back to Spain. As for New Orleans thinking he can be the next Peja, think about who was just installed as the new head coach. Monty is going to know better than just about anyone Rudy's tendencies, weaknesses and mentality.

I guess what I'm saying is that Rudy's value is about equivalent to a second round pick: he doesn't have much upside left, he's fairly one dimensional, and he might not have an NBA body (the length, just not the bulk), what they're able to get by using him as a throw-in remains to be seen.
 
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Nikolokolus said:
...what they're able to get by using him as a throw-in remains to be seen.
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His contract is relatively pennies on a throw-in. A throw-out might be a better description.
 
In negotiation theory, there is the concept of Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement or BATNA. Keeping Rudy--and assuming he hadn't fully recovered from his back injury last year--is by far preferable than accepting a 2nd round pick. I wouldn't be surprised if that GM was trying to get Rudy during the draft and still has interest in him.
 
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