Interesting Rudy rumor

[Nikolokolus]

Anytime Barney gets decapitated it's "win" in my book.

 

[jlprk]

To whoever said a couple of weeks ago that Bickerstaff is an old has-been--he remains a better coach than McMillan.

Rookie Detlef Schrempf took the Mavs sub SF job from 3rd-year Dale Ellis, so Motta dumped Schrempf onto Bernie, who did a brilliant job in making him into a catch and shoot star. Ellis was a worse dribbler than Rudy.

 

[Mediocre Man]

This team needs a consolidation trade.

Rudy, Matthews, Bayless, Batum. In all honesty, and forgotting for a moment that Batum is the single most overrated player in the history of sports, can someone tell me why any of those guys are better than the other?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

So you don't think CP3's wish list was real?

Which one? Was LA on this semi-mythical list or wasn't it?

So Rudy did not tell Minnesota not to bother trading for him.

Doesn't every player in the NBA do that?

So Rudy has said he loves playing in Portland?

He probably has. Of course if he had or hadn't it wouldn't mean much, given the anodyne boilerplate that most athletes spout.

What exactly do you consider "plenty"

One. Two, if you count the Clippers. Of course, it's also very warm. And full of Spanish speakers.

(Actually, if we count New Jersey, that's another, and Washington is bigger than Boston. I'd say Rudy cares about playing (so no Washington, as they have three heavy rotation guards) and winning (so no NJ, or Washington.)

And are you seriously telling me that Rudy himself, in deciding where he wanted to play, Googled the info you just gave me?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

This team needs a consolidation trade.

Agreed. Or it needs to have its own D-League team.

Rudy, Matthews, Bayless, Batum. In all honesty, and forgotting for a moment that Batum is the single most overrated player in the history of sports, can someone tell me why any of those guys are better than the other?

Well, Batum's a lot taller than the others.

I see Batum as the clear starter at SF, and if he's healthy, should play 30+ mpg. And Roy's a 35ish mpg guy at 2G. And Miller is 30-35mpg at PG. That leaves 44-49 mpg to distribute amongst Matthews, Bayless and Rudy.

Bayless probably thinks he has dibs on whatever PG minutes Miller doesn't play, except for a few when Roy really is the playmaker, but I don't like that plan much. Matthews has dibs on the bulk of the backup SF minutes (unless we think Dante can play SF). So my consolidation trade would be Bayless for future considerations or a real live PG.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Rookie Detlef Schrempf took the Mavs sub SF job from 3rd-year Dale Ellis,

Of course, Schrempf didn't get much PT until he got traded to Indy. And then he ended up in Seattle too.

so Motta dumped Schrempf {I assume you mean Ellis} onto Bernie, who did a brilliant job in making him into a catch and shoot star. Ellis was a worse dribbler than Rudy.

And Ellis was probably an even worse defender than Rudy. Rudy at least makes an effort and gets a fair number of steals.

 

[hasoos]

I don't see Rudy as a starter but I do think there are ways to use him more effectively. While I'm not upset that Frye is gone I think it's clear that Nate didn't take advantage of one of his stronger areas of his game.

While this is overly black and white, do you force your players to conform to your system or do you adjust your system to take advantage of the individual skill sets of the players? Adelman has always done of a great job of adapting to the strengths of his players while Phil Jackson forces his players to conform to the triangle offense. I've long thought that Nate is a good coach who has needed his version of Tex Winters, not sure if Bernie is his Tex but I hope he can help Nate to be a better coach.

At the same time, at what point of Frye' career had he ever been a 3 point shooter prior to PHX? Not in NY. Not in Portland. So why would it have even crossed anybody's mind that he is a good shooter from the outside?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Which one? Was LA on this semi-mythical list or wasn't it?



Doesn't every player in the NBA do that?



He probably has. Of course if he had or hadn't it wouldn't mean much, given the anodyne boilerplate that most athletes spout.



One. Two, if you count the Clippers. Of course, it's also very warm. And full of Spanish speakers.

(Actually, if we count New Jersey, that's another, and Washington is bigger than Boston. I'd say Rudy cares about playing (so no Washington, as they have three heavy rotation guards) and winning (so no NJ, or Washington.)

And are you seriously telling me that Rudy himself, in deciding where he wanted to play, Googled the info you just gave me?

You kind of lost me. I am not really sure what your point is in this thread. So you think Rudy wants to stay in Portland and we should keep him?

 

[oldguy]

The bio in the OP didn't mention that this was one (the first?) of the many great trades of Trader Bob Whitsitt. Later, after Ellis was busted for drunk driving, and iirc roughing up is wife, TB moved him for Ricky Pierce....yet ANOTHER great trade.

Go Blazers

 

[jlprk]

To whoever said a couple of weeks ago that Bickerstaff is an old has-been--he remains a better coach than McMillan.

Rookie Detlef Schrempf took the Mavs sub SF job from 3rd-year Dale Ellis, so Motta dumped SCHREMPF onto Bernie, who did a brilliant job in making him into a catch and shoot star. Ellis was a worse dribbler than Rudy.

Fuck. I meant to type ELLIS.

 

[MARIS61]

This team needs a consolidation trade.

Rudy, Matthews, Bayless, Batum. In all honesty, and forgotting for a moment that Batum is the single most overrated player in the history of sports, can someone tell me why any of those guys are better than the other?

In what situation, against which team and which player.

4 completely different players with different skills and styles of play, all 4 could end up being perennial allstars. All 4 are valuable to the team as they give Nate incredible flexibility to adjust mid-game. I'd like to see him use all 4 fairly equal minutes.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

This team needs a consolidation trade.

Rudy, Matthews, Bayless, Batum. In all honesty, and forgotting for a moment that Batum is the single most overrated player in the history of sports, can someone tell me why any of those guys are better than the other?

You don't think Batum is better than Rudy? Do you think Batum is a better defender than Rudy? If so, that's really all you need.. their offensive production is similar, including their three point percentages.

 

[STOMP]

I don't think it makes a difference. Dale Ellis was a starter and had plenty of minutes to get into a groove each game. Bench players don't have that luxury. Besides I really don't think Rudy likes Portland. He obviously prefers a bigger market. And If not bigger, then warmer.

from what I recall of Ellis, he was a deadly catch and shoot player and often got free coming off picks. He was also the focus of the Sonic's attack. While Rudy isn't nearly as physically imposing as DE, he does have excellent catch and shoot ability. In Euroball he had the ball in his hands much more then in PDX and was more of a playmaker. Him being more of a playmaker was Nate's stated plan at the start of last season, but whether it was because of injury, attitude, or lack of skills/athleticism, he came up very short of effective in that role. Dude did have back surgery mid-season which is my best guess at the main culprit.

Going forward, should he focus on what he's proved he can do (shoot) or is his heart set on being a more complete offensive threat like in Europe? Regardless he's going to need to be healthy and mentally focused if he's to max out his talent. That may prove to be a challenge as Portland has already signed his replacement.

STOMP

 

[jlprk]

The bio in the OP didn't mention that this was one (the first?) of the many great trades of Trader Bob Whitsitt. Later, after Ellis was busted for drunk driving, and iirc roughing up is wife, TB moved him for Ricky Pierce....yet ANOTHER great trade.

Pierce, the most underrated Sonic of all time, was driven off of the team by Payton, the most overrated. So Bob replaced Pierce with Kendall Gill, and later prepared the Hersey Hawkins trade...the list of talents Bob got for the Sonics goes on and on, and that's just some SGs...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Pierce, the most underrated Sonic of all time, was driven off of the team by Payton, the most overrated. So Bob replaced Pierce with Kendall Gill, and later prepared the Hersey Hawkins trade...the list of talents Bob got for the Sonics goes on and on, and that's just some SGs...

WE ALL KNOW THAT BOB WHITSITT IS VERY GOOD AT ACQUIRING TALENTED NBA PLAYERS!

I don't think anybody's disputing this point, so will you please stop trying to prove an argument that has no opponents? It has become quite irritating.

 

[Idog1976]

There may be some meat to this rumor; and beyond that, there may be some meat to this entire "Tex Winter" thing, too: Buck, Olpeckia (or whatever his name is), and Bickerstaff all very gently hinted at adjusting Nate's system, showing Nate the weaknesses of it, and helping him fix those weaknesses. This may be a step in that direction: properly using high-risk/high-reward players like Rudy, Bayless, Mills, etc.

Awesome, that's the way in which Bickerstaff etc. might be absolute gems. They are older, one of them was an authority figure in Nate's formative years as an NBA player. These guys are probably some of the only guys on this rock that might get Nate to see the error of his ways. And when it inevitably works Nate will listen to them more. I was happy with the oldsters being brought in for that reason. This could be gold gentlemen.

 

[Idog1976]

No, primarily SF. He was a SF in college. He guarded Carmelo Anthony in the playoffs. Granted he won't be much good against Durant, but that's Batum's job. Besides the fact that you're overestimating how much he's paid (as if it should matter to you), you're making stuff up.



Thank Christ you're here to provide the voice of reason.



Who's "him"? Rudy, I suppose. Answer: play him at SG on offense and play a lot of zone!



Why not? The more the merrier. I say throw 'em out as a unit and see what happens.

Repped.

 

[Idog1976]

What a rudderless ship we now have. All because KP had the wrong agent.

Yeah no joke, I greatly preferred the "Iceberg dead ahead sir!!!!" "Now isn't the time to make adjustments full speed ahead!" fully ruddered ship of KP. He was a god at building the foundation, but never seemed to commit to adding floors beyond the basement. Regardless, it's history now.

Also, KP's agent wasn't just the "wrong" guy, that's a bit like saying Lynette Alice "Squeeky" Fromme listened a bit too much to the "wrong" guy. Warren LeGarie is super bad news to say the least.

 

[Idog1976]

Honestly I think Cho might be waiting until Worlds are over. There's almost no chance that Rudy will sandbag and intentionally shit the bed if he's playing for his country, so maybe if he plays well and has a nice tournament other GMs will be convinced that he's not only salvageable, maybe even valuable.

Great thinking Nik and I think you have a point.

 

[OddEnormous]

Yeah no joke, I greatly preferred the "Iceberg dead ahead sir!!!!" "Now isn't the time to make adjustments full speed ahead!" fully ruddered ship of KP. He was a god at building the foundation, but never seemed to commit to adding floors beyond the basement. Regardless, it's history now.

What an absolute pile of shit.

BTW, Didn't you tell me to let the Pritchard thing "go" the other day.... Even though I wasn't even talking about him?