Carmelo Anthony: yes or no?

[H.C.]

I'd much rather have this.

Do you really want to see that man's father being interviewed by Hurd & Calaboro?

 

[B-Roy]

Don't disagree with you, but I think the smart move is to move Melo to Cleveland and get Love to Portland. It's all up to the Cavs if they are willing to make that swap.

Why would Cleveland replace Love with Melo? Melo only makes sense if they are getting him on top of Love. That's why they haven't really been in the discussion imo.

 

[chzbrgr]

Don't disagree with you, but I think the smart move is to move Melo to Cleveland and get Love to Portland. It's all up to the Cavs if they are willing to make that swap.

They are not willing to make this swap

 

[e_blazer]

Don't disagree with you, but I think the smart move is to move Melo to Cleveland and get Love to Portland. It's all up to the Cavs if they are willing to make that swap.

If the Cavs were willing to trade Kevin Love for Carmelo, don't you think the Knicks would make that trade themselves? Why involve the Blazers at all?

 

[Natebishop3]

If the Cavs were willing to trade Kevin Love for Carmelo, don't you think the Knicks would make that trade themselves? Why involve the Blazers at all?

Because Love presents the same problem. Porzingis is the future and he plays the same position as Love. Plus Love is 28 years old (almost 29).

 

[blue9]

Don't disagree with you, but I think the smart move is to move Melo to Cleveland and get Love to Portland. It's all up to the Cavs if they are willing to make that swap.

Sure, that's better. But I still think I'd rather hold our assets for a better trade that hasn't become available yet. Love, while better than Melo, poses a lot of the same problems:
Strengthens PF offense but...

• Weakens PF defense.
• Weakens SF defense.
• Weakens SF offense.

And he actually makes the SF/PF balance worse than Melo would. Ideally I'd play Melo at PF, but he can at least slide between SF/PF - Love can't play any SF. By trading Harkless+ for Love we now have the following at SF:

Tuner - undersized, underskilled
Aminu - underskilled

Meanwhile, assuming it's Harkless/Meyers that we trade out, we now have the following capable of playing PF:

Love - no defense
Vonleh - good defense, decent offense when left wide open but otherwise nonexistent
Aminu - mediocre defense, awful offense except sometimes when left wide open
Collins - needs minutes
Swanigan - needs minutes
Davis - needs to be traded

Because NYK aren't getting any offers of substance for Melo, and because of what I've just outlined, our out-going trade pieces should only consist of:

• Turner or Crabbe
• Aminu or Davis
• 2nd round picks

 

[e_blazer]

Because Love presents the same problem. Porzingis is the future and he plays the same position as Love. Plus Love is 28 years old (almost 29).

True, but 28 is much younger than Carmelo and Love has more trade value for a future move than Harkless.

 

[BonesJones]

Because NYK aren't getting any offers of substance for Melo, and because of what I've just outlined, our out-going trade pieces should only consist of:

• Turner or Crabbe
• Aminu or Davis
• 2nd round picks

We have to give up more than that, because NYK would be better off keeping him than taking that package.

 

[blue9]

We have to give up more than that, because NYK would be better off keeping him than taking that package.

If that's true, then NYK will keep him. Because they aren't getting a better offer. Why should we outbid ourselves?

 

[Scalma]

If that's true, then NYK will keep him. Because they aren't getting a better offer. Why should we outbid ourselves?

I bet they would get a better offer than that. But not better than Harkless and Vonleh.

 

[Reep]

By trading Harkless+ for Love we now have the following at SF:

Crabbe
Tuner - undersized, underskilled
Aminu - underskilled
Layman

 

[Pinwheel1]

If I am NY I keep him. Assume he will opt out next year and use the cap space.

 

[BonesJones]

If that's true, then NYK will keep him. Because they aren't getting a better offer. Why should we outbid ourselves?

With that logic we'll never make another trade ever again.

 

[blue9]

Maybe Jake and Pat - Crabbe is not a SF.

 

[BigGameDamian]

If I am NY I keep him. Assume he will opt out next year and use the cap space.

You just don't want him in Portland.

 

[blue9]

With that logic we'll never make another trade ever again.

The logic applies to THIS trade because what we're getting back sucks. If what you're getting back is good, then obviously you make a better offer.

 

[BonesJones]

The logic applies to THIS trade because what we're getting back sucks. If what you're getting back is good, then obviously you make a better offer.

Carmelo sucks? What?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Carmelo sucks? What?

As far as age, potential, team control, offensive efficiency, and contributions to his team's success this past year--as compared with Harkless (whom @blue9 is basically saying we shouldn't be willing to give up in exchange for him), yes, he does.

 

[blue9]

Carmelo sucks? What?

A past-his-prime player, who was never great defensively, who is on the last year of his deal and doesn't want to be here is what sucks. It's not just about the player - there are other things that must be taken into consideration.

 

[blue9]

As far as age, potential, team control, offensive efficiency, and contributions to his team's success this past year--as compared with Harkless (whom @blue9 is basically saying we shouldn't be willing to give up in exchange for him), yes, he does.

Thank you! I don't know why the finer details are so often ignored.

 

[Reep]

Maybe Jake and Pat - Crabbe is not a SF.

Tell Stotts that:

82Games:

5 Lillard-McCollum-Crabbe-Harkless-Plumlee 107.0 1.28 1.16 +29 9 7 56.2
8 Napier-McCollum-Crabbe-Aminu-Leonard 81.1 1.18 1.12 +8 7 3 70.0
9 Lillard-Turner-Crabbe-Harkless-Plumlee 77.3 1.17 1.12 -3 11 14 44.0
10 McCollum-Turner-Crabbe-Aminu-Leonard 76.4 0.90 1.03 -22 7 9 43.7
12 Lillard-McCollum-Crabbe-Aminu-Plumlee 70.5 1.11 1.23 -12 5 6 45.4
14 McCollum-Turner-Crabbe-Harkless-Davis 63.5 1.10 0.95 +17 9 4 69.2
16 Lillard-Turner-Crabbe-Aminu-Leonard 60.5 1.17 0.98 +26 11 6 64.7
18 McCollum-Turner-Crabbe-Vonleh-Leonard 57.6 1.04 1.14 -11 7 6 53.8

FYI, the top four lineups do not contain Crabbe at all.

SG 19% -58 101.5 105.1 -3.6 29 39 42%
SF 32% +80 106.6 103.6 3.0 40 33 54%

 

[blue9]

Tell Stotts that...

Oh, I have a bunch of things I'd tell Stotts!

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think Crabbe is the right size for a 3 & D SF. Regardless if some think he sucks on D, or if his salary is too high, the bottom line is he is still a good 3 pt shooter and his 6'11" inch wing span is enough to cover most SFs on the perimeter.

 

[Pinwheel1]

You just don't want him in Portland.

No I would take him. I think he would opt out after a year and I would be fine moving a large contract for him. But If I am the NY Knicks, with Phil Jackson gone, ( I still can't believe some Blazer fans wanted him to run our franchise) I would go all in for young players and free agents next summer

 

[SIeepwalker]

Tell Stotts that:

82Games:

5 Lillard-McCollum-Crabbe-Harkless-Plumlee 107.0 1.28 1.16 +29 9 7 56.2
8 Napier-McCollum-Crabbe-Aminu-Leonard 81.1 1.18 1.12 +8 7 3 70.0
9 Lillard-Turner-Crabbe-Harkless-Plumlee 77.3 1.17 1.12 -3 11 14 44.0
10 McCollum-Turner-Crabbe-Aminu-Leonard 76.4 0.90 1.03 -22 7 9 43.7
12 Lillard-McCollum-Crabbe-Aminu-Plumlee 70.5 1.11 1.23 -12 5 6 45.4
14 McCollum-Turner-Crabbe-Harkless-Davis 63.5 1.10 0.95 +17 9 4 69.2
16 Lillard-Turner-Crabbe-Aminu-Leonard 60.5 1.17 0.98 +26 11 6 64.7
18 McCollum-Turner-Crabbe-Vonleh-Leonard 57.6 1.04 1.14 -11 7 6 53.8

FYI, the top four lineups do not contain Crabbe at all.

SG 19% -58 101.5 105.1 -3.6 29 39 42%
SF 32% +80 106.6 103.6 3.0 40 33 54%

5 of those line-ups list Crabbe at the 3 with turner at the 2, when it's really just the opposit

 

[OneLifeToLive]

I think it's almost a certainty that a contract that doesn't have Lillards, McCollums or Nurkic' name on it would have to be moved to bring him in. So...sure as long as it doesn't involve. Dame, CJ or Nurkic.

 

[Binx]

I think it's almost a certainty that a contract that doesn't have Lillards, McCollums or Nurkic' name on it would have to be moved to bring him in.

Of course it would, but who cares? I see no downside to that scenario, and it's the only one that Portland would go for. Trading one of their big three for Anthony would make no sense.

 

[Binx]

A past-his-prime player, who was never great defensively, who is on the last year of his deal and doesn't want to be here is what sucks.

Huh? The only way that Anthony would ever get traded to Portland would be if he gave the Knicks permission to do the deal. And if he does that, it means he wants to be here.

 

[TBpup]

Huh? The only way that Anthony would ever get traded to Portland would be if he gave the Knicks permission to do the deal. And if he does that, it means he wants to be here.

Partially agree. If the new Knicks GM shuts down conversations with HOU/CLE because they are simply not offering enough, Anthony may agree because it is the best option available. He would come because he wants to be here more than the zoo that is the Knicks and it is the best of the possibilities available but he may not really view it as his first or even second choice of where he really wants to be.

 

[blue9]

Huh? The only way that Anthony would ever get traded to Portland would be if he gave the Knicks permission to do the deal. And if he does that, it means he wants to be here.

No, it means he wants to be a Knick less than he wants to be a Blazer.