<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 12 2008, 10:51 AM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 12 2008, 08:56 AM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 11 2008, 09:07 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 11 2008, 09:33 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ May 11 2008, 04:13 PM)
<{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I want to know all of you calling him overrated, based on being on the Nuggets.
Is he overrated when he plays for TEAM USA? Is it the player or is it the team (Nuggets)?</div>
Why not?
He didn't do anything different on team USA. Boohoo. He can shoot over shorter, less athletic people. He still got exploited defensively and team USA gave up threes like no tomorrow. The big difference between Team USA and The Nuggets is that on Team USA he has 4 other superstars who can cover up a lot of his defensive short comings, rebound and distribute the ball for easy baskets.
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How was Melo averaging 21.2 ppg on 61.3% shooting for TEAM USA? Man, the international players must be REALLY short and unathletic.
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For one, he played with 4 players who can all pass the ball.
Two, do you have another explanation of why he shoots 60% in int'l and 45% in NBA? Pretty much the only thing that's different (besides the 3 pt line) is the quality of the opposition.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I would figure that about 90% of the players in the NBA can shoot over shorter, less athletic people. Why doesn't TEAM USA put one of those guys who can play better defense on the team, they OBVIOUSLY would be better than Melo, right?</div> They did. Since the failure of the original James/Anthony/Wade teams on the International stage, they added quite a few well rounded players. And even the players who are not known to be scorers shot a high %. Check this out:
15 Anthony, Carmelo... 9-9 175 19.4 65-106 .
613 26-45 .578 35-49 .714 10 37 47 5.2 15 0 13 4 3 6 191 21.2
06 James, LeBron...... 10-10 222 22.2 73-96 .
760 23-37 .622 12-18 .667 8 28 36 3.6 12 0 47 17 5 15 181 18.1
10 Bryant, Kobe....... 10-10 199 19.9 51-93 .
548 17-37 .459 34-39 .872 7 13 20 2.0 25 0 29 18 4 16 153 15.3
08 Redd, Michael...... 10-1 199 19.9 53-100 .
530 29-64 .453 9-9 1.000 3 11 14 1.4 7 0 15 6 0 9 144 14.4
12 Stoudemire, Amare.. 10-1 177 17.7 37-55 .
673 2-3 .667 35-49 .714 18 29 47 4.7 26 0 7 9 6 11 111 11.1
11 Howard, Dwight..... 10-9 165 16.5 35-43 .
814 0-0 .000 30-45 .667 13 40 53 5.3 18 0 2 9 18 6 100 10.0
13 Miller, Mike....... 10-0 156 15.6 29-66 .439 19-50 .380 2-3 .667 1 20 21 2.1 15 1 9 8 2 7 79 7.9
09 Prince, Tayshaun... 9-0 160 17.8 26-54 .
481 10-28 .357 4-9 .444 6 40 46 5.1 6 0 19 6 3 5 66 7.3
04 Billups, Chauncey.. 10-1 160 16.0 17-45 .378 11-31 .355 11-11 1.000 1 17 18 1.8 10 0 26 8 0 8 56 5.6
07 Williams, Deron.... 10-0 143 14.3 19-31 .
613 5-10 .500 4-8 .500 3 7 10 1.0 15 0 46 10 0 4 47 4.7
14 Chandler, Tyson.... 10-0 86 8.6 9-16 .
563 0-0 .000 3-8 .375 11 25 36 3.6 7 0 0 4 14 2 21 2.1
05 Kidd, Jason........ 10-9 158 15.8 6-10 .
600 5-8 .625 1-2 .500 6 27 33 3.3 16 0 46 5 5 13 18 1.8
When Jason Kidd shoots 60%, there must be something horribly wrong in the world
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Blaming Melo for team defense has no validity, either.</div>
WHY? The biggest knock on Melo is that his defense is horrible. He misses rotations, barely makes an effort and generally just doesn't care about defense. Him and Camby are the reason the Nuggets suck so bad on defense. Anthony just doesn't care and Camby chases weak-side blocks instead of guarding the post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You make it sound like most other players in the NBA can score like Melo. He's a 24 year old who has averaged over 20 ppg every year of his 5 year career, and averaged over 25ppg his last 3 years in the league, while shooting over 46% for his career. Well, I guess ANYONE can do that by shooting over shorter, less athletic players.</div>I never said that. I said he's one dimensional, meaning he's a good scorer. An adequate rebounder at best and a horrible defender.
The argument isn't his scoring. The argument is that when he's on the floor, the opposite teams score MORE than the Nuggets do. I posted a link above.
By the way, I said "shorter and less athletic" when talking about international competition, not NBA.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Would you take Michael Redd over Melo?</div>
Well, for one, that's just a bad comparison.
I'm arguing about defense while you're making me choose between 2 bad defenders
Michael Redd is a shooter.
Anthony is a scorer.
For one season, I'd take whoever my team needs more (for NJ, Redd). For a career, I'd take Anthony because obviously he's younger and has a higher trade value.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And only one player on that team averaged a double-double in that season. Guess who? That one-dimensional player you (Astral) were talking about.</div>After averaging a double double in college, he came into NBA and averaged 6.1 rebounds per game in 36 mpg on a team with relatively fast pace. I think that says more about college competition than Carmelo Anthony.
Look, my basic point is that he's not close to being an elite player. If we get him on the Nets with Carter here, you're guaranteeing yourself a second round exit. Because while him and Carter will fight over who gets the ball, some no-name small forward on the other team will be lighting us up. Anthony needs 4 good defenders, one of whom is a REALLY good/smart post defender (imagine Jason Collins meets Deke) to be a championship contender.
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Wow, Chauncey Billups, Mike Miller, and Tayshaun Prince must be TERRIBLE shooters if they can't shoot over 50% against international competition. Man, they gotta be the worst shooters in the NBA!
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Billups often goes through stages when he just shoots horribly. In fact, that's one of the primary reasons why Detroit lost in the playoffs in the last 3 years. When his shot leaves him, Detroit goes down in flames as well.
Miller shot a LOT of threes. Fifty out of 66 attempts he took were from 3 pt range. He started out int'l competition shooting superbly, then it tailed off considerably. Maybe he got injured? In any case, 38% from three isn't exactly bad.
Prince is a career 46% shooter, shooting 44% this season. He shot 48% in international competition, which means better than what he usually does. I have no idea where you're getting your 50% obsession from. It's not a magic number.
You came up with 2 players out of 12 who arguably shot "poorly". I don't think that's the way it works. You use majority to prove a point, not a tentative minority.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>An adequate rebounder doesn't average
7.7 rebounds over a season.</div>
For a small forward, that's about average. Anthony averaged 7.4 this season (where'd you get 7.7?), which is an anomaly, considering he has a career average of 6.0 rebounds per game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Your argument is pretty much downhill from there. So much so, that I don't know how to argue with you, because the points you've made make it so obvious that for some reason, you dislike Carmelo and have made it a point to find every little tiny thing wrong with him, even if it is making up stuff.</div>
I've posted stats and data to back up my point. 82 games shows that he's at +/- of -3.0. NBA career stats show that Anthony is a career 6.0 rpg man.
USA basketball stats show that the dominant majority shot very well, or at least better than in NBA, in the international competition.
Do you mind showing me where I'm making up stuff?
I understand that you're a Syracuse fan, but that's no reason to resort to personal attacks. You like Anthony because he almost single handedly led Syracuse to NCAA championship. I don't like Anthony because he's ultra overrated, is a horrible defender, and also because of that retarded sucker punch he threw. Don't remember which one?
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2006/12/17/...uns-like-a-girl
How dumb is he, honestly? The fight is pretty much settled down, then he throws a punch and backs up like a scared little girl. What a dumbass AND a pussy.
