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Used car salesman are such scum. Was heading to a dealership for a test drive and they sold the vehicle earlier in the day without telling us. Bastards.
 
THE HCP said:
Wait a sec, you’re going to buy a car YOU HAVE TO CHARGE? What if there aren’t any plugs around?
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This only matters on long drives, most EVs these days get about 250 miles per charge. You can also charge at home, so it gives you a lot of flexibility. There are use cases in which an EV doesn't make sense, but for most of us, myself included, it makes a lot of sense actually. I don't have an EV yet, but we're looking into buying a Bolt this year now that they are eligible for the full federal rebate again.
 
Voodoo said:
This only matters on long drives, most EVs these days get about 250 miles per charge. You can also charge at home, so it gives you a lot of flexibility. There are use cases in which an EV doesn't make sense, but for most of us, myself included, it makes a lot of sense actually. I don't have an EV yet, but we're looking into buying a Bolt this year now that they are eligible for the full federal rebate again.
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That’s great…. But you are telling me you are ok driving around in THIS?

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Tesla yesterday night has quietly, but massively cut the price of their lineup. Tesla Model 3 is $3000 off. Tesla Model Y took a $13,000 price cut. Tesla Model S and X are $10000 off.

Model 3 - $3000 reduced
* SR+ went from $46990 to $43990
* Long Range is now gone
* Performance went from $62990 to $53990

Model Y - $13000 reduced!
* Long Range went from $65990 to $52990 - WOW!
* Performance went from $69990 to $56990

Model S - $10000 reduced
* Long Range went from $104990 to $94990
* Plaid went from $135990 to $114990

Model X - $20000 reduced
* Long Range went from $120990 to $109990
* Plaid went from $138990 to $119990

There is also an additional $1320 destination charge

You also get another $7500 Federal Tax Credit
If you qualify for the Federal Tax Credit, you can get another $7500 off.
 
Voodoo said:
This only matters on long drives, most EVs these days get about 250 miles per charge. You can also charge at home, so it gives you a lot of flexibility. There are use cases in which an EV doesn't make sense, but for most of us, myself included, it makes a lot of sense actually. I don't have an EV yet, but we're looking into buying a Bolt this year now that they are eligible for the full federal rebate again.
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I drove a Tesla from Palm Springs to Austin with two kids under 2 nonstop in 20 hours. Charged a ton. Was shockingly enjoyable. After that I have no concerns about ever having to charge a Tesla on road trips.

However I wouldnt buy a non Tesla right now, the CCS charging network is a joke and very unreliable. Maybe in a few years it gets better and I'd consider it, but not now.

I stopped at electrify america while picking up items at Walmart on that long road trip. But charger had two of four chargers broken and 4 cars waiting for the other 2. Would have been stranded hours with any other brand. Instead I drove down the street to Tesla supercharger.
 
Shaboid said:
2007 325xi. Buying it today. Low miles and all the service records. Finally found something I want at a reasonable price.
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Sweet, sedan right? Guy at the autoparts store had one with a 6spd manual swap.
 
HailBlazers said:
Sweet, sedan right? Guy at the autoparts store had one with a 6spd manual swap.
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Yup, had to get the 3rd and 4th door with a little one on the way. Don't think I'll do a swap, will probably only upgrade the suspension and maybe some new tires.
 
Shaboid said:
Yup, had to get the 3rd and 4th door with a little one on the way. Don't think I'll do a swap, will probably only upgrade the suspension and maybe some new tires.
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Tires are the most important safety feature. Michelin AS3/4 were made for Oregon. Also sure you're aware but that (great) engine needs ton maintenance.
 
HailBlazers said:
Tires are the most important safety feature. Michelin AS3/4 were made for Oregon. Also sure you're aware but that (great) engine needs ton maintenance.
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Oh yeah, already got an inspection done before I buy it. Have a few small things I need to take care of.
 
THE HCP said:
That’s great…. But you are telling me you are ok driving around in THIS?

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Sure why not? You get $7500 off your federal taxes, and $7500 from the state of Oregon? What's not to like, it's a $28k car with $15k incentives, plus I can charge it at my work for free so yeah it's a hell of a deal right now. Financially it just makes too much sense not to buy it really.
 
Voodoo said:
Sure why not? You get $7500 off your federal taxes, and $7500 from the state of Oregon? What's not to like, it's a $28k car with $15k incentives, plus I can charge it at my work for free so yeah it's a hell of a deal right now. Financially it just makes too much sense not to buy it really.
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All great points ma’am, but give that picture another look…. I’ll wait.
 
Voodoo said:
Sure why not? You get $7500 off your federal taxes, and $7500 from the state of Oregon? What's not to like, it's a $28k car with $15k incentives, plus I can charge it at my work for free so yeah it's a hell of a deal right now. Financially it just makes too much sense not to buy it really.
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Do you know the income limits for Oregon credit? I heard that's only mid to low income.

Federal credit is nonrefundable, so you must have 7500 tax liability to fully benefit, usually about 70k income. But it caps at 150k single 300k joint income. Tax liability would have to be 2023. But income limit can be for 2022 or 2023, so you only need to be under one of those years.

The federal credit may possibly get reduced in March with country of battery rules coming into effect.
 
THE HCP said:
All great points ma’am, but give that picture another look…. I’ll wait.
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I'd prefer the Tesla, yes it's quite a bit more, but the model Y just dropped over 20k in price, you don't have to pay for gas, have way more charging options, and I expect resale will be much higher years down the road like a Toyota. Chevy will drop in value like a Kia, if it doesn't catch fire first.
 
THE HCP said:
All great points ma’am, but give that picture another look…. I’ll wait.
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True, it's not a very attractive car, but that's what second weekend cars are for. Get a cheap commuter, put all the miles on that, then get the Camaro/Mustang/Corvette/Porsche or whatever for the weekend or for Friday after you've paid off the Bolt. Right now until March the incentives are so good that it just makes so much sense financially.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Do you know the income limits for Oregon credit? I heard that's only mid to low income.

Federal credit is nonrefundable, so you must have 7500 tax liability to fully benefit, usually about 70k income. But it caps at 150k single 300k joint income. Tax liability would have to be 2023. But income limit can be for 2022 or 2023, so you only need to be under one of those years.

The federal credit may possibly get reduced in March with country of battery rules coming into effect.
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Yes, it depends on your household limit. Here's the first few:

  1. Household size limit of 1 = $54,360.00
  2. Household size limit of 2 = $73,240.00
  3. Household size limit of 3 = $92,120.00
Here's the links you need to figure out eligibility, the last link is the income eligibility for the 'charge ahead' rebate which is the one for $5,000:

https://www.oregon.gov/deq/aq/programs/Pages/Applying-for-EV-Rebate.aspx
https://evrebate.oregon.gov/
https://www.deq.state.or.us/ocvrp
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I'd prefer the Tesla, yes it's quite a bit more, but the model Y just dropped over 20k in price, you don't have to pay for gas, have way more charging options, and I expect resale will be much higher years down the road like a Toyota. Chevy will drop in value like a Kia, if it doesn't catch fire first.
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With the Tesla price cuts it makes them a very good value, even with their mediocre build quality and build materials. The Chevy Bolt has had the batteries fixed, that was an LG chem issue with the chemistry used for the batteries. All of the 2022 MY Bolts were recalled and fixed, and any new MY 2023 Bolt uses new chemistry that to my knowledge hasn't had any issues.

The Kia/Hyundai products have very good batteries, but I am not a fan of the interiors on either cars. The ergonomics are terrible, and the UI is very bad from what I have seen on reviews. The overall package is very competitive though, it's very compelling IMO for either the Ioniq 5 or EV6. I would probably buy either of them over a Model Y because although the interiors are funky, at least controls for such things as your freaking windshield wipers aren't hidden in the center console which is just dumb.
 
Voodoo said:
The Kia/Hyundai products have very good batteries, but I am not a fan of the interiors on either cars. The ergonomics are terrible, and the UI is very bad from what I have seen on reviews. The overall package is very competitive though, it's very compelling IMO for either the Ioniq 5 or EV6. I would probably buy either of them over a Model Y because although the interiors are funky, at least controls for such things as your freaking windshield wipers aren't hidden in the center console which is just dumb.
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My wife has a 2020 Hyundai Kona Electric with the SK batteries. Not sure why the ergonomics are terrible (they work for me and my wife and I am 6'1'' with long legs) and definitely disagree about the UX, I have no idea if the Ioniq5 / EV6 are different inside or not, did not sit in one. I have a friend that has an Ioniq5 and seems to be in love with it, but as I said, no first-hand experience.

I would say that the worst part about the Kona (and this is our 3rd EV) is that like most EVs, they come with tires that can not handle the power - and getting better tires that provide more grip at a small cost for range is the right thing to do.
 
andalusian said:
My wife has a 2020 Hyundai Kona Electric with the SK batteries. Not sure why the ergonomics are terrible (they work for me and my wife and I am 6'1'' with long legs) and definitely disagree about the UX, I have no idea if the Ioniq5 / EV6 are different inside or not, did not sit in one. I have a friend that has an Ioniq5 and seems to be in love with it, but as I said, no first-hand experience.

I would say that the worst part about the Kona (and this is our 3rd EV) is that like most EVs, they come with tires that can not handle the power - and getting better tires that provide more grip at a small cost for range is the right thing to do.
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You're right, I used the wrong word. I said ergonomics, I meant aesthetics, they attempted to be Audi minimalist, but instead did Korean minimalist and it looks absolutely terrible IMO. Obviously that is subjective, but the interior on both the EV6 and Ioniq 5 are just plain bad. They are so bad I prefer the Chevy Bolt's interior aesthetics by far.

As for the UX, check out the reviews on Youtube, it is basically the primary thing everyone complains about with both of these cars. The UX has terrible integration and is missing features, they are newer than the Kona's UX as it is the 'new' version of Hyundai's UX. I am sure it will be improved, and in fact it may already have been improved from the original releases of these cars from which I was watching the videos, so this may no longer be an accurate statement anymore to be fair.
 
Has anyone installed Android Auto in their vehicle?
 
andalusian said:
We have Android Auto on my wife's Kona. It was painless. Anything specifically?
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Just bought an e90 and since it has no screen or much functionality with Bluetooth I figured that'd be the best option. Not too concerned about a rear camera, just not sure if it's worth it. I don't have a quote or anything yet.
 
Shaboid said:
Just bought an e90 and since it has no screen or much functionality with Bluetooth I figured that'd be the best option. Not too concerned about a rear camera, just not sure if it's worth it. I don't have a quote or anything yet.
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Biggest reason for it, IMHO, is maps integration. I enjoy the music integration as well, but the only must have thing is maps, so if no screen, not sure if it is worth it
 
Voodoo said:
I would probably buy either of them over a Model Y because although the interiors are funky, at least controls for such things as your freaking windshield wipers aren't hidden in the center console which is just dumb.
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Have you spent a few days driving a Tesla? I love having one spot (screen) with all the controls and no buttons cluttering up the interior. Still, everything you most need to drive(including wipers) is on the steering wheel. The lack of clutter makes all other cars feel like an annoying airplane cockpit.

Maybe some people just want a bunch of buttons all over the place, I just suggest trying both before you decide.
 
What do those of you with non Tesla EVs think of CCS charging?

I have a Rivian R1S on order but not sure I'll even consider trading a Tesla for it if the infrastructure doesn't get better.

I used a couple EA chargers on a 2500 mile road frip. one was free, one was fast, the last one was a disaster. 2 of 4 units broken and 4 cars waiting. Seen "out of spec" on YouTube which is exposing some of these issues. If infrastructure doesn't improve I don't see how many of these non Tesla EVs can be considered a legit replacement for gas in the next few years.
 
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