Carter as the anti-Jordan

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 19 2008, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, it isn't clear that they hate Vince.

Liking to boo someone isn't the same as hating him. Additionally, you've had Raptors fans come into this thread and state that they don't hate him.</div>

Wow...

They boo him not just because they think it's fun, but also because they hate him. I mean even the Raptor announcers acknowledge the "disdain" Carter receives from the fans. There is probably worse stuff said from the fans that doesn't get picked during the game feed.

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And its funny you're willing to point to a few Raptor fans posting in this thread but willing to brush aside the thousands of Raptor fans who attend the games and the Raptor fans who post on probably the biggest Raptors message board on the net.
 
Have you ever been to a game NOMOM?

Serious question.


Because I've chanted all sorts of the things at games. I started a Rick Pitino sucks chant when Louisville came to our place. And Pitino is one of my favorite coaches.

People say all sorts of things when their team is playing.



Edit: Actually, it was a Fuck Pitino chant.
 
I have friends who chanted "Fuck Madison"/"Madison sucks" during the Madison game....despite them being fans of Madison for football and basketball (when they aren't playing us)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jul 19 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, we should boo Jason Kidd then?</div>

Nope. I think with the trade demand, he actually helped our team more than he hurt it.
 
I agree very much pegs. But I was just curious of Shake's thoughts based on how he felt Toronto fans treat VC because of how he left. We all know the drama Kidd had with him this season..."best team I played on...headache...no light at the end of the tunnel...I want to go to Dallas and nowhere else"
 
why Carter as the anti-Jordan,did they have any contradiction ?

Is somebody know the reason ??
 
Quoting my original post and then pointing to the way Raptors act towards VC during games just shows that you're missing the point, IMO. Both cpaw and I have tried to argue that Carter is relatively insignificant to the large majority of NBA followers and, as a result, its stupid to think that there's some sort of anti-Carter movement out there. We're talking about people who have no affiliation to Carter. That's why I disagreed with the person that pointed to this forum's activity and VC's fanboys. And that's why pointing to Raptors fans makes no sense. Both groups have are affiliated with Carter and are not nearly objective enough to demonstrate the normal attitude towards Vince Carter. Raptors fans may be linked to him in a fundamentally different way, but they still are. Citing their actions doesn't do anything to disprove the ambivalence that most mainstream media and general NBA fans have towards Vince.

I initially responded to the videos of and references to Raptors fans because I thought it was stupid how posters were pointing to a playoff series 2 years ago to generalize about our sentiments now (and I still do). But it was a separate point that I probably should've ignored, in hindsight, because it led you to go out on a tangent and completely miss the point of my original post.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yinets1860 @ Jul 19 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why Carter as the anti-Jordan,did they have any contradiction ?

Is somebody know the reason ??</div>

It was just the name of the article, keep your pants on.

It's just saying that he is anti-Jordan. So, he is a good player, but he never won anything other than a gold medal. But he's casing fun at least.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 19 2008, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yinets1860 @ Jul 19 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why Carter as the anti-Jordan,did they have any contradiction ?

Is somebody know the reason ??</div>

It was just the name of the article, keep your pants on.

It's just saying that he is anti-Jordan. So, he is a good player, but he never won anything other than a gold medal. But he's casing fun at least.
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oh,i know,
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 19 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 19 2008, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, it isn't clear that they hate Vince.

Liking to boo someone isn't the same as hating him. Additionally, you've had Raptors fans come into this thread and state that they don't hate him.</div>

Wow...

They boo him not just because they think it's fun, but also because they hate him. I mean even the Raptor announcers acknowledge the "disdain" Carter receives from the fans. There is probably worse stuff said from the fans that doesn't get picked during the game feed.


And its funny you're willing to point to a few Raptor fans posting in this thread but willing to brush aside the thousands of Raptor fans who attend the games and the Raptor fans who post on probably the biggest Raptors message board on the net.
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I don't care if it is a billion people. It is still realBM and carries zero weight with me.

Cursing at players is not the same as hating them. However, the real problem is what your definition of hate includes. To you anyone that doesn't love Vince, hates him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 19 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't care if it is a billion people. It is still realBM and carries zero weight with me.

Cursing at players is not the same as hating them. However, the real problem is what your definition of hate includes. To you anyone that doesn't love Vince, hates him.</div>

Cursing at a player could also be a pretty good indication of a dislike and hate for a player. But anyways, how about a video of Raptor fans celebrating burning a Carter jersey and saying they dislike him for you?

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I don't know if I should waste my time going back to past games between the Nets-Raptors and post video of pregame comments from Raptor fans at the game. My hard drive crashed and I lost some of them anyways, but considering how thick in the head you are it probably wouldn't be worth the effort.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rimsh @ Jul 20 2008, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>comment 86 had some pretty good points though</div>

I second that, comment 86 had some great and well thought-out points. Anyone who can argue against those points has gotta be a 100% Vince hater.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 20 2008, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 19 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't care if it is a billion people. It is still realBM and carries zero weight with me.

Cursing at players is not the same as hating them. However, the real problem is what your definition of hate includes. To you anyone that doesn't love Vince, hates him.</div>

Cursing at a player could also be a pretty good indication of a dislike and hate for a player. But anyways, how about a video of Raptor fans celebrating burning a Carter jersey and saying they dislike him for you?

I don't know if I should waste my time going back to past games between the Nets-Raptors and post video of pregame comments from Raptor fans at the game. My hard drive crashed and I lost some of them anyways, but considering how thick in the head you are it probably wouldn't be worth the effort.
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When you stop living in the past, it will be possible to have a productive conversation with you.

You clearly have no understanding of the situational and mob mentalities that sporting events create.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 20 2008, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rimsh @ Jul 20 2008, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>comment 86 had some pretty good points though</div>

I second that, comment 86 had some great and well thought-out points. Anyone who can argue against those points has gotta be a 100% Vince hater.
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That is because it was a very poorly written article and doesn't do a good job of proving the thesis. It was like your average message board post.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 19 2008, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When you stop living in the past, it will be possible to have a productive conversation with you.

You clearly have no understanding of the situational and mob mentalities that sporting events create.</div>

Whatever...
 
It's hard to look on this issue for me, since Vince is on our team. It's difficult for me to try and see the "other side" of the argument. However I found something similar with Alonzo Mourning. Now this only pertains to me (that I know of), but I rarely think about Mourning, and as far as I'm concerned that chapter of our franchise is closed. That doesn't stop me from screaming "MY KIDNEY, MY KIDNEY" when I go to Nets-Heat games.
 
^^ Vince was the franchise player for the Raptors for 6 years and made basketball relevant in Canada. Zo was on the downside of his career when he signed with the Nets as a free agent and was already past his prime. Two different scenarios.

This thread has deviated entirely from the point at hand. Some of the posts are ludicrous - just because Chutney alleges he doesn't think about Carter, doesn't speak to the fans that still either hate on Vince or want Vince back on the Raptors because the team has a huge hole at the 2/3 position. (and I'm not saying the hate isn't justified - he demanded a trade from their team. It does seem like a stab in the back - Net fans know this).

The article was horribly written, what the focus should have been on was the fact that Carter has never led his team past the 2nd round of the playoffs. That is indisputable evidence. For every game winner he has shot during the regular season, I can point out a 4th quarter play he has choked on in the playoffs. That to me, is why Carter can be deemed to be a "loser". This sounds simplistic but you are absolutely a loser until you win. That is what separates players with similar skillsets like the Kobe, Wades and LeBron's of the world to the McGrady, Carter, and Carmelos. That is what separated Adrian Dantley and Dominique Wilkins from Clyde Drexler and Michael Jordan. No matter what way you spin it, unless he wins the big one or leads his team deep into the playoffs, Vince will forever be remembered as only a good player in his heyday, never a great one.
 
So, what I understand is if Toronto fans boo VC, it's because they plan it out? Man, VC is on the downside of his career. I don't know what you expect out of the dude. The guy simply cannot play the game of basketball. He is selfish, he doesn't play for the team and most of all, he lost all his excitement. The guy plays on a team with a guy who smokes weed, a guy who stole a laptop and some guy every Asian fan loves in Yi. The only upside to the Nets is CDR and Brook, if the guy can ever make a proper face for a picture. Vincent Lamar Carter is the most over-paid athlete with amazing skill who will refuse to use it because he's a baby. The guy needs to suck it up.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 20 2008, 01:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'>So, what I understand is if Toronto fans boo VC, it's because they plan it out?</span> Man, <s>VC</s> JO is on the downside of his career. I don't know what you expect out of the dude. The guy simply cannot play the game of basketball. He is selfish, he doesn't play for the team and most of all, he lost all his excitement.<span style='color:#000000;background:#000000'> The guy plays on a team with a guy who smokes weed, a guy who stole a laptop and some guy every Asian fan loves in Yi. The only upside to the Nets is CDR and Brook, if the guy can ever make a proper face for a picture.</span> <s>Vincent Lamar Carter</s> Jermaine O'Neal is the most over-paid athlete with amazing skill who will refuse to use it because he's a baby. The guy needs to suck it up.</div>

I can't wait till JO starts playing, oh boy
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 20 2008, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, what I understand is if Toronto fans boo VC, it's because they plan it out? Man, VC is on the downside of his career. I don't know what you expect out of the dude. The guy simply cannot play the game of basketball. He is selfish, he doesn't play for the team and most of all, he lost all his excitement. The guy plays on a team with a guy who smokes weed, a guy who stole a laptop and some guy every Asian fan loves in Yi. The only upside to the Nets is CDR and Brook, if the guy can ever make a proper face for a picture. Vincent Lamar Carter is the most over-paid athlete with amazing skill who will refuse to use it because he's a baby. The guy needs to suck it up.</div>

^^ How old are you? What's your handle on RealGM? Thanks for proving my point about Raptor fans.
 
Ha, you wish bud. Do you know what JO wants to do? Play defense. The guy wants to come in and he's not getting paid like your boy-toy Carter. Tell me Vince Carter isn't lazy? Tell me Carter is still a super-star? I know what all you Nets fans will do, show me stats. Fuck stats right now. We are int he present. Vince Carter is arrogant and lazy. What do you think he'll average? 20 right, ya probably. He should average 25-27 points per game if he decided to stop acting like a little bitch. Think about it. I know all you Nets fans think Yi will score 20, well no, it won't happen. This isn't you fairy, casing fun land. This is the NBA. So, what Carter will lead your team in scoring and you guys will be 10-15 games under .500. Purplehaze, you have to much faith in a guy who has let you down and has been known to let a team down. To defend his is stupid because he won't give you what you want.

And your point on Toronto fans hating Carter is a vast overgeneralization. You fail to read other posts where everyone gives athletes a hard time. But if Toronto fans do it to VC, oh boy?!?! How dare we? What do you expect when VC decided "Oh, fuck playing in Toronto, I'll just act like a bitch and do what I want". Tell me what can of act of sportsmanship is that? The guy will let you down this season, I guarantee it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purplehaze89 @ Jul 20 2008, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 20 2008, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, what I understand is if Toronto fans boo VC, it's because they plan it out? Man, VC is on the downside of his career. I don't know what you expect out of the dude. The guy simply cannot play the game of basketball. He is selfish, he doesn't play for the team and most of all, he lost all his excitement. The guy plays on a team with a guy who smokes weed, a guy who stole a laptop and some guy every Asian fan loves in Yi. The only upside to the Nets is CDR and Brook, if the guy can ever make a proper face for a picture. Vincent Lamar Carter is the most over-paid athlete with amazing skill who will refuse to use it because he's a baby. The guy needs to suck it up.</div>

^^ How old are you? What's your handle on RealGM? Thanks for proving my point about Raptor fans.
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How old am I? 17. I don't post on shitGM cause it's for idiots. What point? I have a strong opinion on Carter, but I don't think about it. This is a discussion about Carter. What you're doing is like me walking in to a mental institution and going "HA! My thesis was correct! By walking in to a mental hospital I prove that there are mental people here!". I will talk about Carter and that I think he's arrogant and what he did and what he'll do is not much.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 20 2008, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ha, you wish bud. Do you know what JO wants to do? Play defense. The guy wants to come in and he's not getting paid like your boy-toy Carter. Tell me Vince Carter isn't lazy? Tell me Carter is still a super-star? I know what all you Nets fans will do, show me stats. Fuck stats right now. We are int he present. Vince Carter is arrogant and lazy. What do you think he'll average? 20 right, ya probably. He should average 25-27 points per game if he decided to stop acting like a little bitch. Think about it. I know all you Nets fans think Yi will score 20, well no, it won't happen. This isn't you fairy, casing fun land. This is the NBA. So, what Carter will lead your team in scoring and you guys will be 10-15 games under .500. Purplehaze, you have to much faith in a guy who has let you down and has been known to let a team down. To defend his is stupid because he won't give you what you want.

And your point on Toronto fans hating Carter is a vast overgeneralization. You fail to read other posts where everyone gives athletes a hard time. But if Toronto fans do it to VC, oh boy?!?! How dare we? What do you expect when VC decided "Oh, fuck playing in Toronto, I'll just act like a bitch and do what I want". Tell me what can of act of sportsmanship is that? The guy will let you down this season, I guarantee it.</div>

I doubt Jermaine's gonna do much defending on the bench in a suit
 
Jermaine O'Neal will completely shut down the Nets offense next season. And Carter, will score maybe 12 points. If he's lucky.
 
purplehaze, I will gladly tell you how Vince Carter is not as great as you may think. Also, that while you live in a fantasy world where you think every Toronto fan has some deep hatred for Carter, it's not true. I have a strong OPINION on Vince Carter. Stop acting like a fool man.
 
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