Cavaliers dreaming of a LaMarcus Aldridge trade...

[BlazerWookee]

Refresh my memory. Why the heck do they call him "soup juggler?" Is it because of his last name?

 

[santeesioux]

Refresh my memory. Why the heck do they call him "soup juggler?" Is it because of his last name?

MM came up with it, something to do with his last name?

 

[santeesioux]

That team wins less games then this years team and soup juggler gets turned into the new JR Rider by the oregonian and local media. Good news is we'd be set for sucking so badly we get top 5 picks for a few yeara

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On the plus side, we'd be in the running for Wiggins!

 

[illmatic99]

Horrible idea, but what if this happened? Do what i mentioned above, draft Otto Porter, and trade Batum for a guy like Pek or another center?

Lillard
Soup Juggler
Porter
Milsap/Smith
Pek/Good center

That's a 20 win team. We want to move our rebuilding team's development forward, not backwards.

 

[Natebishop3]

It's funny, all the reasons why CLE wants LA, we want to keep him. Makes very little sense for us, especially considering how they have so few assets. If we're gonna do a true salary dump, I want high level prospects, not Dion Waiters and draft picks in a very weak draft.

I'd look at Orlando as mentioned above. If they can give us Vucevic, Harris, and a pick, I'd do that today.

That's the problem, the draft is so weak that it's a horrible horrible trade. If the draft was stronger, a top three pick and other talent wouldn't be horrible value for Aldridge. Or if Noel wasn't JUST coming off a huge injury.

 

[santeesioux]

That's a 20 win team. We want to move our rebuilding team's development forward, not backwards.

But do you think it would be worth it to suck one more year for Wiggins?

 

[RR7]

But do you think it would be worth it to suck one more year for Wiggins?

My only concern is, many thought it'd be worth it to suck really bad this season for Shabazz. A few years back, many thought it'd be worth it to suck really bad for Harrison Barnes.

 

[illmatic99]

But do you think it would be worth it to suck one more year for Wiggins?

No. Even if we have the worst record next year with that team, we have a 75% chance of not getting him in the draft. Wiggins is per my estimation, the closest thing to being the next Lebron. But it's not worth blowing up our whole rebuild for just a chance at the guy. Too much risk involved, both in us possibly not get him, or him becoming a bust.

 

[magnifier661]

Horrible idea, but what if this happened? Do what i mentioned above, draft Otto Porter, and trade Batum for a guy like Pek or another center?

Lillard
Soup Juggler
Porter
Milsap/Smith
Pek/Good center

WAIT I thought since Minny offered a restricted agent and we matched; they can't trade for him until after their offer time?

 

[santeesioux]

WAIT I thought since Minny offered a restricted agent and we matched; they can't trade for him until after their offer time?

Hmm, you might be right. Scratch that idea.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

No. Even if we have the worst record next year with that team, we have a 75% chance of not getting him in the draft. Wiggins is per my estimation, the closest thing to being the next Lebron. But it's not worth blowing up our whole rebuild for just a chance at the guy. Too much risk involved, both in us possibly not get him, or him becoming a bust.

Wiggins is not the only player with potential in the 2014 draft.

 

[illmatic99]

Ya I know, Jabari Parker is good too. Still too much risk I think

 

[PtldPlatypus]

WAIT I thought since Minny offered a restricted agent and we matched; they can't trade for him until after their offer time?

No--they only have to wait for 1 year after their offer was matched. Waiting period expires 7/19/13.

 

[PapaG]

Thompson, Waiters, and their unprotected pick for Aldridge--I think you'd have to consider that. Or maybe Speights instead of Thompson.

I don't.

 

[magnifier661]

No--they only have to wait for 1 year after their offer was matched. Waiting period expires 7/19/13.

Oh I got it confused with Amnesty

 

[PapaG]

Cleveland has done so well with these players and Irving?!?!?! We need them ASAP!

Yep. Why is it in pretty much all of the Imaginary GM posts/threads here, it's seemingly always getting back bench players from bad team for LMA, with a few mid-first picks maybe thrown in for good measure.

How are bench players from bad teams going to become starters for another bad team, and Portland would be horrendous w/out LMA, and make Portland a good team? How does that happen?

 

[PapaG]

Waiters, Top 5 pick and #19 is pretty similar value to what the Jazz got in return for Deron Williams (Harris, Favors, and No. 3 pick [Kanter]) and I thought Utah was smart to have the foresight to trade Williams a year before he would become an expiring contract, which is why if we do deal LA, it HAS to be this summer. He won't command nearly as much in value if we were to wait to trade him as an expiring contract.

Barring a Dwight Howard signing, I don't see this team do much more than being one-and-done in the playoffs next season, which means we would have wasted yet another peak year of Aldridge on the roster. We simply need to be realistic about how long rebuilding will take and it would be smart to deal LA to accelerate the process. This is Dame's team, and we need to do whatever it takes to build young talent around him. LA's a great compliment, but we just have too many holes to fill and I fear that by the time they are finally filled, Aldridge will be on the decline.

Now the question becomes, "Does Cleveland have enough to offer?" Unfortunately, this draft is not the ideal draft to trade your All-Star in. I do love the Top 3 picks (Noel, McLemore, Oladipo), there's still good value at 19 (take a flyer on Schroder, Adetokoubo, Gobert?), or package Waiters for a Top 3 pick this year or next. I do like the idea of taking Oladipo and having a weapon like Waiters coming off the bench.

I think a better offer could be made from Orlando if they were interested. What about Nic Vucevic and an unprotected 2014 pick? Too little return? Too much? Either way, it's going to be an exciting offseason.

Utah went from a playoff team to a lottery team, and is about to lose one of their best players again. How exactly did that trade work out for Utah?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

It all depends on Aldridge next season. Does he come back as LaMonster? When he's on, and Lillard is on, I like our chances against any team in the league. We just need a few support players. If we're going to reset and trade Aldridge, it has to be for someone amazing. Not just a few good players.

I'm anxious to see what Olshey has planned for this summer.

I think along these lines too. Aldridge could be arguably at the peak of his career, agree with RR7 that Lillard is ahead of most rookies, Batum is a great support player . . . it time to be thinking in the "now" moment and see what this team can do.

If they disappoint, then maybe you make a big move . . . or if Blazers get something amazing, I have no doubt Olshey would pull the trigger. But not time to trade Aldridge for smaller parts.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Utah went from a playoff team to a lottery team, and is about to lose one of their best players again. How exactly did that trade work out for Utah?

Without that trade, they put a huge cap on how far that team could go along with watching Williams go to another team for little in return.

Alot of other variables involved with team wins, but Denver did pretty well when they traded Carmelo.

 

[Natebishop3]

Utah went from a playoff team to a lottery team, and is about to lose one of their best players again. How exactly did that trade work out for Utah?

Yeah, looking back, that trade was not very good. They pretty much replicated talent at positions they were already strong (Jefferson/Milsap vs Favors/Kanter) and they got Devin Harris who only last one year.

 

[PapaG]

Without that trade, they put a huge cap on how far that team could go along with watching Williams go to another team for little in return.

Alot of other variables involved with team wins, but Denver did pretty well when they traded Carmelo.

Sure, but Utah is worse now after that trade over a year and a half later. Why take steps backward? Why the rush to trade LMA for less-proven players?

 

[The Dude]

The Dude loves Mr Roper

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Should we have tried to trade Aldridge for Harden, like some of us suggested a long time ago?

I'm not sure it would've benefited Lillard, though. Lin looks pretty damn great when Harden's out, but very average when he's playing next to him.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Would you do this trade? The Blazers would also get the Cavaliers first round pick in this years draft.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=az4fotb

 

[BigGameDamian]

Would you do this trade? The Blazers would also get the Cavaliers first round pick in this years draft.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=az4fotb

We could draft Cody Zeller and have the 2 brothers on one team.

 

[MAS RipCity]

The argument isn't whether the trade of Williams made Utah better. The argument is whether or not the Jazz got good value for Deron, which I believe they did. They had over 2 seasons to try to work out trades for Millsap and Jefferson but failed to do so. That's has nothing to do with what they got in exchange for DW. They made a good call with the No. 3 pick they got out of the deal in Kanter. But building a winner isn't based off one trade. Utah failed nearly everywhere else. They made the playoffs last year, which in essence lost them their 1st RD pick (would have been 14). They took Alec Burks over the likes of Kawhi Leonard and as I mentioned earlier, didn't move Paul or Big Al.

 

[Rhal]

The argument isn't whether the trade of Williams made Utah better. The argument is whether or not the Jazz got good value for Deron, which I believe they did. They had over 2 seasons to try to work out trades for Millsap and Jefferson but failed to do so. That's has nothing to do with what they got in exchange for DW. They made a good call with the No. 3 pick they got out of the deal in Kanter. But building a winner isn't based off one trade. Utah failed nearly everywhere else. They made the playoffs last year, which in essence lost them their 1st RD pick (would have been 14). They took Alec Burks over the likes of Kawhi Leonard and as I mentioned earlier, didn't move Paul or Big Al.

But what the Jazz got for Williams is a lot more then we would get for LA. Waiters/Thompson aren't on the level of either Kanter or Favors. I'm not against the idea of trading LA but it has to be a really good deal and some okay prospects that were picked way before they should have been and an okay pick in a very bad draft are not worth LA.

 

[MickZagger]

I'd do it in a second.

Aldridge for Varejao, Thompson and the lottery pick.

Next year:

Lillard/Maynor
Matthews/Oladipo
Batum/Claver
Hickson/Thompson
Varejao/Leonard

Could even move Thompson and Matthews for a PF like Al Jeff. But, Thompson's future looks bright.

 

[PapaG]

I'd do it in a second.

Aldridge for Varejao, Thompson and the lottery pick.

Varejao hasn't played more than 31 games in a season the last three years and just hit 30. He also has a terrible contract at $9m/per over the next two years.

Thompson is an undersized PF who can't defend or shoot FTs, and was the starting PF for one of the worst teams in the NBA ... and that's with a supposedly "elite" PG in Irving.

The lottery pick might be nice ... I suppose. Nice trade there.

Welcome to a 15-win season...

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Welcome to a 15-win season...

With a draft class deep in talent.

I am not for taking AV's contract, but think it would be easily moved.

Also of note, Al Jefferson is only months older and is very comparable to LA. He would also a FA likely to go to another team.