Censorship has started.

[3RA1N1AC]

Lol, ok.

 

[riverman]

Why does it matter? Even if my posts are foreign propaganda, I can spread it all I want.

for decades all I had access to for news in english was the BBC and I got hooked on it....my wife and I listen to Taiwanese news broadcasts regularly...it's so different in the media here....I prefer a lot of international news feeds to American media...

 

[barfo]

Define "foreign propaganda."

I think it's whatever barfo posts here.

So if the government pays you to say that my posts are wrong, you'd be doing the same thing you are now, but getting paid for it.

Seems like a sweet deal for you.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

So if the government pays you to say that my posts are wrong, you'd be doing the same thing you are now, but getting paid for it.

Seems like a sweet deal for you.

barfo

I don't want them to decide if I'm right. That's not Free Speech, it's authorized speech.

 

[blue32]

I don't want them to decide if I'm right. That's not Free Speech, it's authorized speech.

Exactly, well said. Which was my main beef from my OP.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

(5) the United States Government should develop a comprehensive strategy to counter foreign disinformation and propaganda and assert leadership in developing a fact-based strategic narrative;

Yep, Congress says they think that should occur, but don't give any means by which that would occur within this bill.

and

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I'm not sure why you're defending the government deciding what the "truth" is and picking and choosing which newspapers and TV outlets get government checks to spout the government's favored propaganda.

You think they don't already do that? And regardless, even if they do, that still doesn't equate to censorship, which is all my point has been this whole time. At no point have I defended the bill; simply disputed the OP's claim that it is the start of censorship. I don't see it, and I don't buy into the hysteria.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yep, Congress says they think that should occur, but don't give any means by which that would occur within this bill.


You think they don't already do that? And regardless, even if they do, that still doesn't equate to censorship, which is all my point has been this whole time. At no point have I defended the bill; simply disputed the OP's claim that it is the start of censorship. I don't see it, and I don't buy into the hysteria.

This government has already abused its power using laws that look benign. From denial of 501(c)3 status to opposition groups to the president calling a news network an illegitimate source to denial of ballot access to third parties. Even worse is the fabrication of crimes against whistle blowers, IRS audits as intimidation, and regulatory harassment. Among others.

Apparently it isn't obvious to you. Perhaps an analogous situation might do?

Walmart is so big and so dominant in magazine distribution that when it refuses to carry a magazine, it is effectively censorship. The government dwarfs Walmart. And it is now authorized to promote MSNBC with unlimited funds, to destroy Fox News.

Another is Church/State. Even the teeniest action that might be considered establishing religion is forbidden.

The government can tell people its version of the Truth. But to be the authority of what is Truth is right out of 1984. It is a clear attack on the First.

 

[riverman]

to destroy Fox News

but I'm pretty sure Rupert Murdoch is Australian right? He owns a vast media empire in Asia and Polynesia.basically the entire Pac Rim ...Star Network although I think he lost his London paper

 

[Denny Crane]

but I'm pretty sure Rupert Murdoch is Australian right? He owns a vast media empire in Asia and Polynesia.basically the entire Pac Rim ...Star Network although I think he lost his London paper

This:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/13/media-matters-fox_n_4433207.html

with unlimited funds. Already has government support as 501(c)3 while similar groups right of center were denied.

Say, "thanks Obama."

 

[PDXFonz]

Both Natural Rights.

Exactly the same.

Guns don't kill people, freedom of speech kills people... Or something like that.

 

[stampedehero]

Interesting. It's all falling into place...

Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act of 2016
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/5181/text?q={"search":["5181"]}&r=1

(2) PURPOSE
.—The purpose of the Center shall be to lead,
synchronize, and coordinate efforts of the Federal Government
to recognize, understand, expose, and counter foreign state
and non-state propaganda and disinformation efforts aimed
at undermining United States national security interests.


https://www.congress.gov/114/bills/s2943/BILLS-114s2943enr.pdf

<SNIPPET FROM THE BILL FOR THOSE WHO ARE LITERACY CHALLENGED>
S. 2943—549
(1) AUTHORITY FOR GRANTS
.—The Center is authorized to
provide grants or contracts of financial support to civil society
groups, media content providers, nongovernmental organiza-
tions, federally funded research and development centers, pri-
vate companies, or academic institutions for the following pur-
poses:
(A) To support local independent media who are best
placed to refute foreign disinformation and manipulation
in their own communities.
(B) To collect and store examples in print, online, and
social media, disinformation, misinformation, and propa-
ganda directed at the United States and its allies and
partners.
(C) To analyze and report on tactics, techniques, and
procedures of foreign information warfare with respect to
disinformation, misinformation, and propaganda.
(D) To support efforts by the Center to counter efforts
by foreign entities to use disinformation, misinformation,
and propaganda to influence the policies and social and
political stability of the United States and United States


Interesting wording through this bill..

Will be a matter of time before they start using this bill against media/journalists that do not 'fall in line' with the narrative that the Government wants to push.

another good read on this:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...ntering-disinformation-and-propaganda-act-law

Was this the creed of the CIA after they were OSA. Looks like Patriot act all over again.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Who is going to counter domestic propaganda? I keep seeing a commercial where they say repeal "healthcare" and not "Obamacare or ACA"

Yep, they're going to just repeal healthcare and we'll all die.