Cervelli going to see Dr. Andrews

[BigDaddyAl1973]

So what's your plan smart ass? You say the season is lost, and was lost in spring training? Really? I do not think Girardi, Mo, Kuroda, and few of the guys who have this team a few games out of a playoff spot with a 1/3rd of the season to go got the message that what they are doing is all for naught. Maybe they should just quit now.

This team's offense needs to improve to give this pitching staff more support. Some of us believe that this team should exhaust all options from within, seeing that the retread route isn't going well, and that the trade deadline came and went and did not add much help.

At least we all know - where you stand now. You have already declared the season over (even declared it over in ST), and seem content with the status quo retreads finishing out the season. Got it! But you don't want to give kids a chance, so you're good with this season ending with no playoffs and it being played out by guys who have zero chance of returning.

You are right about one thing - we do not have to rehash this topic any further, because we all now know your stand is rooted in quitting, giving up, declaring all is lost, and slugging mindlessly and aimlessly to the finish line on the back of more retreads.

Genius. .name names of great prospects who are tearing up the minors that have been held back by the retreads. I'm a fucking realist and yeah...when jeter arod text and grandy all had significant injuries...yeah I said it was a lost season. Movwa for youklis, haftner and overbay were seen as bench roles. Not leading roles. Stop gap measures that failed. But look at the roster at triple a. Where are these great prospects...if they aren't tearing up MINOR LEAGUE PITCHERS what makes you think they would do any better at the majors. And yes there are other things you have to consider beforing bringing up everyone and anyone...40 man rosters...starting the clock on contracts..and for what? Getting the second wild card. This team as constructed is not winning the world series. There is no need to rush any player in the bare system.

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

Barely missing the playoffs doesnt help the future either. Mid to low round draft picks hurts.

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

 

[RustySpan]

Cano/Melky - 2005; Joba/Hughes/IPK - 2007; DRob - 2008. You do live in a cave, don't you? You couldn't even come up with a name since 2008. And don't bother now - you've already lost badly going back to 2005 to come up with names.

Nova?

Yeah, I won't bother, it's called a track record, not a record within the past 2 years, and it's not a contest to lose, you just have no idea WTF you're talking about, end of story.

 

[vette322]

Nova?

Yeah, I won't bother, it's called a track record, not a record within the past 2 years, and it's not a contest to lose, you just have no idea WTF you're talking about, end of story.

The track record going back to 2005 that you have pathetically attempted to convey is downright deplorable, and you aren't smart enough to know it. You're right - end of story. You tell a lousy story.

 

[RustySpan]

I won't deny NY has a lack of talent in the farm in recent years, but when they do have a good player, he comes up.

But way to go not naming a few players that should have.

 

[vette322]

Genius. .name names of great prospects who are tearing up the minors that have been held back by the retreads. I'm a fucking realist and yeah...when jeter arod text and grandy all had significant injuries...yeah I said it was a lost season. Movwa for youklis, haftner and overbay were seen as bench roles. Not leading roles. Stop gap measures that failed. But look at the roster at triple a. Where are these great prospects...if they aren't tearing up MINOR LEAGUE PITCHERS what makes you think they would do any better at the majors. And yes there are other things you have to consider beforing bringing up everyone and anyone...40 man rosters...starting the clock on contracts..and for what? Getting the second wild card. This team as constructed is not winning the world series. There is no need to rush any player in the bare system.

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

As I indicated - you have nothing to say and no ideas. Status quo - do nothing, bring in retreads, give up, don't sell at the deadline, don't buy at the deadline, do nothing, wait until next year, throw in the towel, etc. Do you think Mo, Jeter, Kuroda, Gardner are quitting? Maybe you should tell them to mail in the rest of the season. You do know that this team has a Top 2-3 pitching staff in the AL right now, and they have 1/3rd of the season to find a way to get more offense to help them make up 3 games to get into the playoffs?

So if you know that and you are planning to not see this team make the playoffs - why on earth would you use the remainder of the season to play guys who have no chance of returning next year?

 

[bern_baby_bern]

Silly to say the kids don't get a shot even though it does seem that way. Problem is, not many kids coming up that can stick. Look at Romine. I spent the spring pining for him to get a real shot. When he didn't I cursed the organization. Cervelli gets hurt, he comes up and shows he's either not ready just yet or is just not long for the ML.

Sanchez could end up being the real deal…only time will tell, but he does need time. You might see JR Murphy as a call up this season and certainly before Sanchez. Hopefully in 2015 you see 2 homegrown prospects in the outfield.

 

[bern_baby_bern]

My idea…see if Ruiz or Young can make it to waivers to the Yanks and you make the claim. Either one of them is not only an upgrade but they are addition by subtraction, much like Grandy. The Yanks didn't have to make huge moves but it would have been nice to make another move for a bat. The rotation, even with CC faltering, and bullpen have not been a problem at all.

 

[Majorball]

What record is that? Do you live in a cave?

The key is should or need to be in the majors. But your opinion that the Yankees have brought players up quickly is so wrong. For example, If they were commited to the farm system as you say, then this spring training, both Almonte and Mesa had good springs. But Cashman went with the lighting in the bottle approach. Now for all of you guys who say well Mesa never has lite it up in the minors. About 2 decades ago there was a young switch hitter who played centerfield and he came up for defensive purposes at the time, I think he only hit 240, so by today's standards he would of been trash. He was projected to have little power also, but "Played a mean Guitar" that was Bernie Williams then, so now look at what Mesa did in a short sample, but Girardi would have run hafner out there another 200 bats if Hafner didn't break down. You make fun of Lillibridge, but he had two clutch hits last week, without the opportunity to get consistent AB's this is what you get. Oh, and by the way, Romine has 3 hits in his last game but we have to watch this AAAA Stewart swing at 2-0 pitches leading off the 9th. like she's babe ruth. So if they are so quick to promote I give you Romine 8 for his last 17 I believe and he can't sniff the field. Even Kay said he was surprised that Romine wasn't in Wednesday lineup, no the Yankees don't fast track anyone through a system unless you are Jeter (hall of fame) material, but we wouldn't know since we haven't had one of those since Jeter, I know now someone say Cano.

 

[Rick2583]

There's a reason so many players on the FA list are 35+, it's because teams know they can no longer perform. And those are the very players Cashman continues to bring in. I'm all for giving someone like Sanchez getting a chance. Which I've no doubt will probably happen on Sept 1st.

 

[RustySpan]

Andy performed, he was great last post season and a decent starter this year, Chavez was great for them last year, Ibanez not bad, Colon helped them for a while in 2011, the list goes on...

And the BS continues.

Older guys may not be great anymore, but many can still play in the majors, which is more than can be said about a kid like Sanchez, or Mesa, those guys would be completely over-matched here, they're not ready for the majors.

 

[Majorball]

Look, Sanchez isn't ready unless it is for a September cup of coffee, but there are other factors in play if you bring him up. If you don;t know what they are it doesn't matter. But given the sample over the last 2 weeks, give Romine about 100 more ab before you judge him. I dare anyone to sit on a bench for a week, then play the most physically demanding position on the field and in 90-100 degree heat and lets see how you would do. Hitting is timing and confidence, how are you suppose to get that if you get 3 hits and you don't see the field. Romine may not be the answer, but he is better than Stewart if given the chance. Mesa, he comes up for insurance and goes what 357 in limited time but next time you see Wells out there wonder why he hasn't hit a HR since the Bush Administration... it seems.

 

[Rick2583]

Andy performed, he was great last post season and a decent starter this year, Chavez was great for them last year, Ibanez not bad, Colon helped them for a while in 2011, the list goes on...

And the BS continues.

Older guys may not be great anymore, but many can still play in the majors, which is more than can be said about a kid like Sanchez, or Mesa, those guys would be completely over-matched here, they're not ready for the majors.

Both those players you mentioned will be part of the team come 9/1 By then the Yankees will pretty much know where they are in the standings. If they're out of it, I say give the kids a shot for the last 20-25 games. Now I'm not saying you field a bunch of 22 years olds for the entire month of September. But its a great chance for Sanchez or Murphy to see what they can do at the big league level over the last month of the season. At that point the Yankees would have nothing to lose.
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[BigDaddyAl1973]

The key is should or need to be in the majors. But your opinion that the Yankees have brought players up quickly is so wrong. For example, If they were commited to the farm system as you say, then this spring training, both Almonte and Mesa had good springs. But Cashman went with the lighting in the bottle approach. Now for all of you guys who say well Mesa never has lite it up in the minors. About 2 decades ago there was a young switch hitter who played centerfield and he came up for defensive purposes at the time, I think he only hit 240, so by today's standards he would of been trash. He was projected to have little power also, but "Played a mean Guitar" that was Bernie Williams then, so now look at what Mesa did in a short sample, but Girardi would have run hafner out there another 200 bats if Hafner didn't break down. You make fun of Lillibridge, but he had two clutch hits last week, without the opportunity to get consistent AB's this is what you get. Oh, and by the way, Romine has 3 hits in his last game but we have to watch this AAAA Stewart swing at 2-0 pitches leading off the 9th. like she's babe ruth. So if they are so quick to promote I give you Romine 8 for his last 17 I believe and he can't sniff the field. Even Kay said he was surprised that Romine wasn't in Wednesday lineup, no the Yankees don't fast track anyone through a system unless you are Jeter (hall of fame) material, but we wouldn't know since we haven't had one of those since Jeter, I know now someone say Cano.

Sorry but you are so off base when talking about Bernie williams..both he and Gerald Williams were highly touted going through the system. You made it out that he was some unknown coming through the system.

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

 

[Majorball]

Sorry but you are so off base when talking about Bernie williams..both he and Gerald Williams were highly touted going through the system. You made it out that he was some unknown coming through the system.

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

You are wrong, what I was pointing out was he hit 240 and if a kid came up today and hit 240, message boards would be crucifying him. Second Gerald was considered ahead of Bernie, Bernie was known for his defense if you remember correctly and that is why the Yankees called him up.

Williams managed to break into the majors in 1991 to replace the injured Roberto Kelly for the second half of that season. He batted .238 in 320 at bats.[4] He was demoted to the minors until Danny Tartabull was injured, and Williams earned his stay at center by putting up solid numbers.[4]

Williams had become the regular Yankees center fielder by 1993. However, Williams got off to a slow start that season, and Yankees' owner George Steinbrenner, impatient with Williams, insisted that Gene Michael, the team's general manager, trade him.[9] Michael discussed trading Williams for Larry Walker with the Montreal Expos, but did not make the trade.[10] In his first full season with the Yankees, Williams had a .268 batting average.[11]

Buck Showalter helped keep him with the Yankees through 1995, when George Steinbrenner sought to trade him. Steinbrenner was frustrated by the team's difficulty in placing him in any of the traditional baseball player molds. He had good speed, but rarely stole bases. In center, he was highly capable at tracking down fly balls and line drives, but had a weak throwing arm. He was a consistent hitter, but only had mild home run power. Throughout the early 1990s he hit in the middle of the order as management tried to figure out where his best fit was

 

[yankeesince59]

copy/paste

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

Williams batted over 330 in his first two seasons..and worked his way up the ladder..showing a good on base and stealing 39 in double a. His last season ay aaa columbus (his 6th year in the minors) he batted 300. Gerald had a higher ceiling but they were high on their prospect list...a smart baseball man (stick michaels) kept him from being traded

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

 

[Majorball]

Williams batted over 330 in his first two seasons..and worked his way up the ladder..showing a good on base and stealing 39 in double a. His last season ay aaa columbus (his 6th year in the minors) he batted 300. Gerald had a higher ceiling but they were high on their prospect list...a smart baseball man (stick michaels) kept him from being traded

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

Big Daddy, no disrespect but you are wrong, check this link.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2006/5/17/125622/341

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

I just remember it differently as at time in my life my friends and I were huge baseball fans and at that stage of our lives didn't have as many reaponsiblities other than playing strat o matic baseball an talking Yankee baseball. I'm not going to dispute a article written in 2006 about what the thoughts were of a player 10 years prior to t he article date. I would have to search my parents home to see if my old yankee year books and media guides are boxed ip somewhere to offer a differnt opinion.

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

 

[Majorball]

I just remember it differently as at time in my life my friends and I were huge baseball fans and at that stage of our lives didn't have as many reaponsiblities other than playing strat o matic baseball an talking Yankee baseball. I'm not going to dispute a article written in 2006 about what the thoughts were of a player 10 years prior to t he article date. I would have to search my parents home to see if my old yankee year books and media guides are boxed ip somewhere to offer a differnt opinion.

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

Good Stuff, Strat O Matic, our gang, we all played APBA... Either way that what makes us fans, our passion for the game and the players we liked.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

Good Stuff, Strat O Matic, our gang, we all played APBA... Either way that what makes us fans, our passion for the game and the players we liked.

I'm trying to get my 10 year old into it...but he rather play Call of Duty

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

 

[Majorball]

I'm trying to get my 10 year old into it...but he rather play Call of Duty

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

Different time and place. Playstation rules this generation. Hell I remember the first electric football game that vibrated and you had the little felt football.

 

[Hammerojustice]

Different time and place. Playstation rules this generation. Hell I remember the first electric football game that vibrated and you had the little felt football.

no video games are going to be allowed in my house.... my wife and I are in agreement on that

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

no video games are going to be allowed in my house.... my wife and I are in agreement on that

Peer pressure. ..how old (if any) is/are your (child) ren

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

 

[Majorball]

Peer pressure. ..how old (if any) is/are your (child) ren

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

I'm 59, so my oldest is 26, followed by 21, and 19. the 26 had the first playstation and as a good parent what would he be without Grand Theft Auto.

 

[yankeesince59]

no video games are going to be allowed in my house.... my wife and I are in agreement on that

...you're a good man, hammer.

...it's much more beneficial to actually spend time with children than to simply buy them some damned video game/phone to occupy their time and serve as a baby sitter.

 

[Majorball]

...you're a good man, hammer.

...it's much more beneficial to actually spend time with children than to simply buy them some damned video game/phone to occupy their time and serve as a baby sitter.

Spend time with mine, you would buy them Sony!!!. No you are right, after we got the first playstation, we realized the addictive nature and as a result, the playstation was gone. After a brief protest, it was never an issue again. Then between school, sports, life and the such they never looked back.

 

[yankeesince59]

...precisely.

 

[Hammerojustice]

Peer pressure. ..how old (if any) is/are your (child) ren

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

5 and 3... and peer pressure won't change our minds... kids can bitch and moan all they want... they 'aint getting them

 

[Hammerojustice]

...you're a good man, hammer.

...it's much more beneficial to actually spend time with children than to simply buy them some damned video game/phone to occupy their time and serve as a baby sitter.

Thank you... and we think so as well