Chad Ford and Bill Simmons on PA

[MrSelfDestruct]

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The fact that he's running Pritchard out of town is simply inexplicable. He's a top-6 or top-7 GM.

It's a short blurb, but interesting nonetheless. I find it interesting that while we remain (relatively) successful on the court, the organization quickly seems to be reverting to a laughing stock.

 

[Idog1976]

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It's a short blurb, but interesting nonetheless. I find it interesting that while we remain (relatively) successful on the court, the organization quickly seems to be reverting to a laughing stock.

When we land CP3 that laughter will turn into a choking fear.

 

[RoyToy]

But...but... KP got lucky with his picks.....

 

[The_Lillard_King]

OK here is my theory for the night:

KP's reputation around the league got him into trouble and many other GMs were becoming a little put off by the boy genius pritchslapping the leauge and KP sucking up all the glory. So PA decided to make it easier for KP to manuver by letting the league know KP was likely to get fired thereby knocking KP down a level and other GMs now feeling he is one of the club (constantly being on the hotesat). KP no longer the golden child, other GMs now willing to talk to him (misery loves company) and presto golden boy gets Chris Paul.


Yes I know I should put the whole post in green, but it's pre-draft night and if Mike is going to roll with all this big move talk, can't I? Hey at least I didn't make my own thread about this theory.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

They are stating this without knowing both sides of the story.

Obviously there is something that happened behind the scenes that nobody in the media knows about.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

it all goes back to the ZBO trade.

ZBOEC would/could bring CP3 to Portland.

 

[Ed O]

Who gives a shit what Bill Simmons thinks?

Ed O.

 

[Idog1976]

it all goes back to the ZBO trade.

ZBOEC would/could bring CP3 to Portland.

Is that sarcasm? Why would a bigger Expiring then 12 million make all the difference? Us taking back a beasty ugly contract results in nearly the same thing. Your ZBOEC rant just doesn't hold water. I have yet to see a Shinn comment saying CP3 up for grabs, but only for a two dimensional PF with a 17 Million expiring.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Is that sarcasm? Why would a bigger Expiring then 12 million make all the difference? Us taking back a beasty ugly contract results in nearly the same thing. Your ZBOEC rant just doesn't hold water. I have yet to see a Shinn comment saying CP3 up for grabs, but only for a two dimensional PF with a 17 Million expiring.

Shinn has a tendency to do strange things for monetary reasons. The hornets are not contending and they're locked up with ugly contracts, best to blow it up and at least get under the cap. ZBO being a huge 17 million dollar expiring and us sending young talent would be a better offer than what we do now. Good players are traded for expiring contracts. That's how you get over the top.

The general idea you send a big expiring (ZBO) plus a young player (i.e. Batum/Bayless) and in return you get a bloated contract (Okafor) and a star (CP3).

CP3 is available for the "right deal" and that deal would be salary cap relief + young talent. They are borerline playoffs, and can't move their ugly contracts. Blowing it up is the only right move for the Hornets right now.

 

[oldmangrouch]

They are stating this without knowing both sides of the story.

Obviously there is something that happened behind the scenes that nobody in the media knows about.

They are basing their opinions on his job performance. Some of us think that is the most important criteria. If the team feels differently, they can defuse the situation by explaining what is going on.

Hell's bells......I have been a frequent critic of KP, and even I find this situation absurd!

 

[BrianFromWA]

Shinn has a tendency to do strange things for monetary reasons. The hornets are not contending and they're locked up with ugly contracts, best to blow it up and at least get under the cap. ZBO being a huge 17 million dollar expiring and us sending young talent would be a better offer than what we do now. Good players are traded for expiring contracts. That's how you get over the top.

The general idea you send a big expiring (ZBO) plus a young player (i.e. Batum/Bayless) and in return you get a bloated contract (Okafor) and a star (CP3).

CP3 is available for the "right deal" and that deal would be salary cap relief + young talent. They are borerline playoffs, and can't move their ugly contracts. Blowing it up is the only right move for the Hornets right now.

So why would ZBo's 17M EC be better than the 15M EC we can send with Joel and Andre (OBTW, Joel's probably pays 6M back to the team in insurance cash)

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

FWIW, JPEC and Miller are 14.6m and ZBO is 17m. Not a huge difference (relatively speaking of course).

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

So why would ZBo's 17M EC be better than the 15M EC we can send with Joel and Andre (OBTW, Joel's probably pays 6M back to the team in insurance cash)

Beat me by seconds.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I won't hold it against you. All it does is pad Denny's bottom line with post-count hits.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So why would ZBo's 17M EC be better than the 15M EC we can send with Joel and Andre (OBTW, Joel's probably pays 6M back to the team in insurance cash)

Andre Miller is not an expiring contract. There's a team option...but even then, we would still have JPEC with ZBO so the point is moot. You're looking at 7 mil vs. 17 million.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Functionally he is. His team has an option to end his contract June 30, 2011.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Andre Miller is not an expiring contract. There's a team option...but even then, we would still have JPEC with ZBO so the point is moot. You're looking at 7 mil vs. 17 million.

Yes it is. It's a team option.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

CP3 alone is a $15m contract. They would want us to take Okafor which is $11m = $26m.

JPEC + ZBOEC + Batum = $7m + $17m + 2m = $26m

much more doable than just being stuck at $15m and trying to throw the kitchen sink to make it work. Its not really doable right now, is it?

 

[BGrantFan]

Who gives a shit what Bill Simmons thinks?

Ed O.

Who gives a shit what any of us think, other than ourselves?

 

[BGrantFan]

Andre Miller is not an expiring contract. There's a team option...but even then, we would still have JPEC with ZBO so the point is moot. You're looking at 7 mil vs. 17 million.

He is, at least in terms of what the team wants to do with him. Add another FAIL to the pretend GM list!

 

[BGrantFan]

CP3 alone is a $15m contract. They would want us to take Okafor which is $11m = $26m.

JPEC + ZBOEC + Batum = $7m + $17m + 2m = $26m

much more doable than just being stuck at $15m and trying to throw the kitchen sink to make it work. Its not really doable right now, is it?

So in your world, we kept Zach for 3 more years, with I guess Aldridge coming off the bench (?), all so it would make for a slightly more attractive deal for Chris Paul today?

Dude, you seem a bit crazy. I like that, but still, it's a bit crazy.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So in your world, we kept Zach for 3 more years, with I guess Aldridge coming off the bench (?), all so it would make for a slightly more attractive deal for Chris Paul today?

Dude, you seem a bit crazy. I like that, but still, it's a bit crazy.

Yes. well...ZBO off the bench. It was actually keep ZBO an EXTRA YEAR since Imaginary Cap Space was only utilized LAST SUMMER.

with Oden hurt, LMA would have been playing more C or with a dual PF lineup.

what, Aldridge wouldn't have been able to develop an awesome low post game and develop into an agressive rebounder?? We'd actually have a backup PF (albeit expensive one)? We'd get knocked out of the playoffs in the first round?

 

[BGrantFan]

Yes. well...ZBO off the bench. It was actually keep ZBO an EXTRA YEAR since Imaginary Cap Space was only utilized LAST SUMMER.

with Oden hurt, LMA would have been playing more C or with a dual PF lineup.

what, Aldridge wouldn't have been able to develop an awesome low post game and develop into an agressive rebounder?? We'd actually have a backup PF (albeit expensive one)? We'd get knocked out of the playoffs in the first round?

So, your entire 3 year Zach theory makes Alrdridge and elite low-post player?

As I said, you're crazy, but I like it.

 

[Ed O]

Who gives a shit what any of us think, other than ourselves?

I care what my fellow Blazers fans think. I don't care what a comedy writer who is NOT a Blazers fan thinks.

Ed O.

 

[BGrantFan]

I care what my fellow Blazers fans think. I don't care what a comedy writer who is NOT a Blazers fan thinks.

Ed O.

I'm guessing Chad Ford knows more about the Blazers right now than you or me. If your shot was at Simmons, I don't think he's a comedy writer.

 

[LittleAlex]

So why would ZBo's 17M EC be better than the 15M EC we can send with Joel and Andre (OBTW, Joel's probably pays 6M back to the team in insurance cash)

Plus there is a pretty good chance that Joel won't play next year which would make his whole contract paid by Insurance instead of the team.


That and Z-Bo is a fucking pile of shit.

 

[BrianFromWA]

80% of Joel's contract would be paid. That's where the 6M comes in (.80*7.5M or so)

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

where did this insurance shit come from?

 

[BrianFromWA]

the fact that he didn't play in the last half of last season, and re-tore his patella tendon again. If his team "doesn't think he's ready to play" (like Raef) and doesn't play him in 41 games, insurance pays for 80% of his salary. Like Raef. Who was sitting on a farm in Iowa.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

is there any evidence to support this or is it a "if it happened to Raef, its got to apply to Joel" type of thing?