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Celo, San Francisco: Have you heard whether Portland has considered going after Caron Butler? Would the Wizards be willing to part with him if the Blazers took on Etan Thomas' contract as well?

SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:26 PM ET ) It would be something the Blazers would have to look at. I know they've been looking at everyone from Mike Miller to Richard Jefferson. Butler is probably better than both of those guys. And yes, I think that Raef LaFrentz's expiring contract is enough bait to lure one of those big time players. That's why I remain pretty bullish that the Blazers will move LaFrentz before the deadline.
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Gerardo (Tempe, AZ): Chad, talk to me like I'm a 2 year-old. Why would a team like the Bucks trade Richard Jefferson for Laefrentz's expiring contract? The contract will expire, the Bucks will get some cap relief, and then they can spend that money on...a player of the Richard Jefferson-level! What am I missing?

SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:38 PM ET ) I don't think they'd trade him so that they could go back out and re-spend the money. In this cash, it would be to pare down their payroll to stop Senator Kohl from hemorrhaging so much cash. With Redd out for the season and Bogut out for 2 months, this team just isn't a contender. But they have a whopping $70 million dollar payroll. It's not a basketball decision, it's a financial one. That's the reality in the NBA right now.
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If option one came to pass I'd feint.

I've got to believe that the Wizards are going to insist on shedding Etan Thomas and getting back some real potential talent in return (Rudy, Bayless, Batum) in addition to an immediate impact guy like Travis for that to happen (which I would do in a heartbeat).

Maybe this just underscores how much fear there is in the league about becoming financially insolvent?
 
Letting the Wiz dump Etan goes a long way for making any Butler deal work. He's still got a $7 mil player option for next year that's got to be tough for them to swallow.
 
i think its safe to say.... its either gonna be Jefferson or butler.

forget wallace and carter...kp would never add carter unless harris was involved. carter doenst fir the 3 year plan at all. butler def does which is why hes still my pick.
 
Nikolokolus said:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...~2754~454~2795&teams=22~22~27~27~27&te=&cash=

Man I love this time of year, I get to play around with the trade machine and work up all kinds of crazy, stupid deals that have zero chance of ever happening. :wink:
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The difference between you and the other 90% who throw these trade FANTASIES out is that at least you acknowledge it's a fantasy. Others will throw out a Trout, Frye & Raef for Butler, Jefferson and Wallace with a straight face and then throw a hissy fit that KP hasn't been able to figure out how to get it done.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
For us, sure. For them...not so much.
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Actually, I think we could get RJeff for just Raef. The Bucks are not going to be able to compete this season, and they have to think about resigning Sessions and CV. Sergio hurts the deal though because he's such a terrible player.
 
B-Roy said:
Actually, I think we could get RJeff for just Raef. The Bucks are not going to be able to compete this season, and they have to think about resigning Sessions and CV. Sergio hurts the deal though because he's such a terrible player.
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It's the Sessions inclusion which caused me to suggest that MIL would turn down the deal. I seriously doubt that they're willing to part with him if it's at all avoidable.
 
B-Roy said:
Actually, I think we could get RJeff for just Raef. The Bucks are not going to be able to compete this season, and they have to think about resigning Sessions and CV. Sergio hurts the deal though because he's such a terrible player.
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Milwaukee is an interesting team to me. They just traded a talented young player and a shorter contract for Jefferson. Are they going to turn around and trade Jefferson for a young player and shorter contract just because the veterans they were trying to pair him with got injured? What direction do they go in now?
 
gambitnut said:
Milwaukee is an interesting team to me. They just traded a talented young player and a shorter contract for Jefferson. Are they going to turn around and trade Jefferson for a young player and shorter contract just because the veterans they were trying to pair him with got injured? What direction do they go in now?
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Down? :devilwink:
 
Nikolokolus said:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...~2754~454~2795&teams=22~22~27~27~27&te=&cash=

Man I love this time of year, I get to play around with the trade machine and work up all kinds of crazy, stupid deals that have zero chance of ever happening. :wink:
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We can afford to be more generous than that. ;)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...1707~851&teams=27~27~27~27~22~22~22&te=&cash=

If we're getting back a good, young-ish small forward, we can afford to give up Batum.

Assuming Washington wants cash relief, this at least also gives them some talent in return but is still a great deal for Portland in pure talent terms. (Dixon is included just to make salaries match.)
 
GOD said:
Why in your trade does ESPN show Webster having a -8.51 PER?
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Because he played part of one game in an abortive effort to return from injury and in that short stretch of time, he was fantastically unproductive.
 
Minstrel said:
We can afford to be more generous than that. ;)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...1707~851&teams=27~27~27~27~22~22~22&te=&cash=

If we're getting back a good, young-ish small forward, we can afford to give up Batum.

Assuming Washington wants cash relief, this at least also gives them some talent in return but is still a great deal for Portland in pure talent terms. (Dixon is included just to make salaries match.)
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Oh man, I hate Juan Dixon.

Substitute Webster for Batum though, and you've got a deal.
 
gambitnut said:
Milwaukee is an interesting team to me. They just traded a talented young player and a shorter contract for Jefferson. Are they going to turn around and trade Jefferson for a young player and shorter contract just because the veterans they were trying to pair him with got injured? What direction do they go in now?
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If they keep RJ and resign Sessions+CV, they are going to go into lux tax, period. If I were them, I'd rather have the young ones rather than the older SF.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Oh man, I hate Juan Dixon.

Substitute Webster for Batum though, and you've got a deal.
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Substituting Webster for Batum makes the deal much rosier for Portland, of course. The idea is to make the deal worthwhile to both sides. ;)
 
Minstrel said:
Substituting Webster for Batum makes the deal much rosier for Portland, of course. The idea is to make the deal worthwhile to both sides. ;)
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Well, I'd rather come up with something that doesn't involve Nic. Even with Butler, we would need something long term at the small forward spot. Butler is 28, almost 29, so it would be nice to have someone like Batum waiting in the wings. That is, unless you think Webster could be that guy :grin:
 
Natebishop3 said:
Well, I'd rather come up with something that doesn't involve Nic. Even with Butler, we would need something long term at the small forward spot. Butler is 28, almost 29, so it would be nice to have someone like Batum waiting in the wings. That is, unless you think Webster could be that guy :grin:
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I think Butler is young enough that KP will have enough time to draft the next Batum. ;) And sure, maybe Webster can be that guy. I doubt it, but he's still young enough that it's not impossible.
 
Minstrel said:
I think Butler is young enough that KP will have enough time to draft the next Batum. ;) And sure, maybe Webster can be that guy. I doubt it, but he's still young enough that it's not impossible.
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Yeah, it's possible that KP could find another diamond in the rough, but I'm not so sure.
 
If I had to guess, KP's all-but-untouchable list for the level of player we're discussing is:

Roy

LMA

Oden

Rudy

Bayless

and on a bad day, Batum

I think the assets we're talking to other teams are...

RLEC

Outlaw

Blake

Webster

Frye

Diogu

Freeland

Randolph

Sergio

Any draft pick in our arsenal

$3MM


Those are a lot of attractive trade assets. It's one of the reasons I think we can be so stingy with who we'll deal.
 
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