Championship: Huevonkiller vs. DynastYWarrioR6

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  • Huevonkiller

    Votes: 26 53.1%

  • DynastYWarrioR6

    Votes: 23 46.9%
  • Total voters
    49
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Objection: I'd like to void those youtubes from being used in his defense as youtube wasn't around back then.
 
huevonkiller said:
Why did you mention Luc Longley? That was random as hell.

Gilmore used to average 17-18 rebounds a game and even 5 blocks a game. He never touched that in the NBA, it is a fair point. Same thing with Dr. J in how his rebounding totals fell (J's still amazing of course, but the context is nice). Across the board I've observed career seasons in the ABA.
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huevonkiller said:
To dismiss D-Rob's defensive presence is stupid to me, Pierce and Carter are defensively better or comparable to the players who had to guard MJ on Rob's team so that was indeed worth mentioning.
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I was making similar comparisons like you did, so it isn't random as hell. Last time I checked, Gilmore is light years ahead of Longley. This is also an all-time draft, we're considering they're in their prime, don't know if you knew that, so there's no reason to throw out his dominant years. And like I said earlier, he still put up 22 & 13 in the NBA, those are GREAT numbers last time I checked. Compare those NBA #'s with McHale & Robinson, and they're practically the same with a small differences going both ways. I don't your reasoning how Robinson will make a difference while Gilmore will be non-existent.
 
J_Ray said:
I was making similar comparisons like you did, so it isn't random as hell. Last time I checked, Gilmore is light years ahead of Longley. This is also an all-time draft, we're considering they're in their prime, don't know if you knew that, so there's no reason to throw out his dominant years. And like I said earlier, he still put up 22 & 13 in the NBA, those are GREAT numbers last time I checked. Compare those NBA #'s with McHale & Robinson, and they're practically the same with a small differences going both ways. I don't your reasoning how Robinson will make a difference while Gilmore will be non-existent.
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Saying comments like Gilmore is better than Longley is pointless, whereas Rob will always be the kind of defender he was no matter who he's compared to. And my team is better than your precious Jazz that Jordan faced in the Finals.

Nah Gil wasn't GREAT to me, I just decided not to bring up pace again in order to mix things up. Had I taken that into account (I always should but you people complain about it sometimes :) ), then he's not on Rob's radar to be honest.
 
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ghoti said:
Hawkins, Aguirre, Wilkins and Issel are garbage, right?
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Aguirre was great, Issel and Hawkins were solid but they took a pretty big fall in the NBA. Issel was averaging 30-28 PPG, then he reverted to 21-23 when he went to the other league. Hawkins PER took a cosmic fall, he had 28 and 13 in the ABA, then 21-24 and 10 after he made the transition to the NBA, all this while ignoring the obvious advantage in ball possessions. Further these figures are also ignoring the decline these players had in their old age.
 
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As tempting as it was to go with DW, soley based on the fact that he had MJ and Scottie....I went with Huevon. I love the balance he's got on the team. He's got dominant wing players, great PGs, and a fantastic frontcourt that's balanced between offense and defense. To me, there's too much balance with his lineup to vote against it.
 
huevonkiller said:
Aguirre was great, Issel and Hawkins were solid but they took a pretty big fall in the NBA. Issel was averaging 30-28 PPG, then he reverted to 21-23 when he went to the other league. Hawkins PER took a cosmic fall, he had 28 and 13 in the ABA, then 21-24 and 10 after he made the transition to the NBA, all this while ignoring the obvious advantage in ball possessions. Further these figures are also ignoring the decline these players had in their old age.
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Maybe those players spent their prime years in the ABA.

GMJ had an orgasm over your bench, which isn't much different than anyone else's. It's not like any of these teams has a bunch of scrubs that are playing those 10-12 minutes.

Actually, DW's team probably would use a seven or eight man rotation - tops. He could have the Phoenix Gorilla and it wouldn't make any difference.
 
ghoti said:
Actually, DW's team probably would use a seven or eight man rotation - tops. He could have the Phoenix Gorilla and it wouldn't make any difference.
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That guy has some pretty sick dunks, I would vote for DW just for the fact of having the Phoenix Gorilla :clap:

As for Huevon, these arguments are pointless because having guys that average double-doubles mean nothing apparently.
 
ghoti said:
Maybe those players spent their prime years in the ABA.

GMJ had an orgasm over your bench, which isn't much different than anyone else's. It's not like any of these teams has a bunch of scrubs that are playing those 10-12 minutes.

Actually, DW's team probably would use a seven or eight man rotation - tops. He could have the Phoenix Gorilla and it wouldn't make any difference.
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Maybe the ABA had lower quality players on average than the NBA?
 
Huevon. sorry DynastyWarrior, I love it that Huevon took a risk on the new era guys. I think he deserves it.
 
tim said:
Huevon. sorry DynastyWarrior, I love it that Huevon took a risk on the new era guys. I think he deserves it.
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Alot of people love the new era picks cause they don't know the classic ones.

I honestly think his teams two PGs were great to have cause they are pass-first guards, and his starting bigs were solid, but other than that, everyone else on the team minus the third stringers, will be fighting for the ball every time down. Arenas and Carmelo? Sounds like Denver right now. Some people saying VC and PP are at equal level on both ends with MJ and Scottie is a joke. MJ, if quantified was a 100% level player, and with Scottie that doubled and in crunch times tripled.

Also, I chuckled a tad on the big astronomical, apocalyptical-scale drops in production of my players when they came to the NBA. Sorry, cosmic drops dont consist of 4-6 less pts and 3 less rebounds.

Also since this is the championship, I'm gonna bring this argument into play: Rings.

I have an experienced starting lineup who have played thru pressure situations and won championships. Scottie, MJ, and Reed's legacies are legacies because of their postseason success.

With my third stringers, I wanted guys who may not get minutes, but could bring intangibles, OR sub in for one of my other guys if I think they are better suited. With Byron I have toughness and a leader, just check those Lakers teams. And with McGinnis, I have a Pacer legend who can come in for Connie if Connie isn't producing.


Also, the PHX gorilla was gone once Darko was picked.
 
I think my PG is much better than yours actually, Paul is such an amazing distributor and a much more efficient scorer. Monroe was a bit of a hog as well, as you sort of pointed out. :]

DynastYWarrioR6 said:
Alot of people love the new era picks cause they don't know the classic ones.

I honestly think his teams two PGs were great to have cause they are pass-first guards, and his starting bigs were solid, but other than that, everyone else on the team minus the third stringers, will be fighting for the ball every time down. Arenas and Carmelo? Sounds like Denver right now. Some people saying VC and PP are at equal level on both ends with MJ and Scottie is a joke. MJ, if quantified was a 100% level player, and with Scottie that doubled and in crunch times tripled.
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Carmelo knows how to subjugate himself quite well, he plays with Iverson and gave it our all on the Olympic squad 3 straight years which was composed of other Superstars. Also I brought in my third stringers for the situations where two scorers on the squad are superfluous. Both Battier and Martin and great post/perimeter defenders.

Also, I chuckled a tad on the big astronomical, apocalyptical-scale drops in production of my players when they came to the NBA. Sorry, cosmic drops dont consist of 4-6 less pts and 3 less rebounds.
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For players already being inflated by their ball possessions, yeah it matters.
Also since this is the championship, I'm gonna bring this argument into play: Rings.

I have an experienced starting lineup who have played thru pressure situations and won championships. Scottie, MJ, and Reed's legacies are legacies because of their postseason success.
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Reed shouldn't be lumped in there... I beat you in three spots DW, I think that covers your other edge in the starting roster. I believe I drafted the best towards the end of the draft as well.

With my third stringers, I wanted guys who may not get minutes, but could bring intangibles, OR sub in for one of my other guys if I think they are better suited. With Byron I have toughness and a leader, just check those Lakers teams. And with McGinnis, I have a Pacer legend who can come in for Connie if Connie isn't producing.


Also, the PHX gorilla was gone once Darko was picked.
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Meh my intangibles are just fine with the defensive subs I have.
 
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Reed should be lumped in there, he was a trifecta MVP award winning and an integral part of his championship teams. He has ring experience.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Reed should be lumped in there, he was a trifecta MVP award winning and an integral part of his championship teams. He has ring experience.
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He won an MVP, nice... He doesn't wow me with his scoring ability and his rebound rate hovers around 16-17 which is solid but not special in this draft. McHale simply amazed people with his arsenal of pump fakes and footwork in the post.
 
huevonkiller said:
He won an MVP, nice... He doesn't wow me with his scoring ability and his rebound rate hovers around 16-17 which is solid but not special in this draft. McHale simply amazed people with his arsenal of pump fakes and footwork in the post.
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They both were named to the Top 50 players of All-Time. They both are spectacular players, I just don't like how you act like Willis really was nothing. And he didn't win one MVP, he won 3 in one season :clap:
 
Dwight Howard has a career average os 12.3 per game.
Amare has a career rebounding average of 9.1 per game.

Not very impressive in a draft like this.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
They both were named to the Top 50 players of All-Time. They both are spectacular players, I just don't like how you act like Willis really was nothing. And he didn't win one MVP, he won 3 in one season :clap:
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He never put an individual season together like McHale (26+ PPG in a slower league, led the league in FG%, outstanding defender). And Paul Pierce is solid but some people automatically dismiss him, yet I don't think that specific magnitude is insurmountable.
 
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McHale averaged 7.3 rebounds a game.
Robinson averaged 10.6 rebounds a game.
 
DynastYWarrioR6 said:
Dwight Howard has a career average os 12.3 per game.
Amare has a career rebounding average of 9.1 per game.

Not very impressive in a draft like this.
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Dwight Howard's rebound rate was almost 22 last year, he would crush you on the boards.

Amare is the best offensive big in this match-up, beaten maybe only by McHale, which I would be quite happy with.
 
huevonkiller said:
Dwight Howard's rebound rate was almost 22 last year, he would crush you on the boards.

Amare is the best offensive big in this match-up, beaten maybe only by McHale, which I would be quite happy with.
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If we are going off a good year, then a case for a good year for ALL of my players can be made that are all better than the players you have. Using Dwight's one year of a high rebound rate is a weak argument, granted his career is still young.
 
DynastYWarrioR6 said:
If we are going off a good year, then a case for a good year for ALL of my players can be made that are all better than the players you have. Using Dwight's one year of a high rebound rate is a weak argument, granted his career is still young.
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Go off your peak years, I wouldn't sweat.
 
huevonkiller said:
He never put an individual season together like McHale (26+ PPG in a slower league, led the league in FG%, outstanding defender). And Paul Pierce is solid but some people automatically dismiss him, yet I don't think that specific magnitude is insurmountable.
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Right, I guess winning 3 MVP's and a championship in one season isn't a great individual season

(3 MVP's in one season has only been done by one other man named Michael Jordan, who just so happens to be on DW's team).
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Right, I guess winning 3 MVP's and a championship in one season isn't a great individual season

(3 MVP's in one season has only been done by one other man named Michael Jordan, who just so happens to be on DW's team).
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Nash has two MVPS, Iverson has one as well.

It certainly isn't the end all.
 
got to go with HUEVON', sorry Dynasty', but his front court is insane! Robinson? McHale? Amare? D12? Sure, Jordan & Pippen is nice, but none of his guards will be able to catch up with CP3, he'll just drive and throw it down low to any of those guys, and they'll just flush down on any of your big men's head, or dish for a 10-13 footer to Amare or D-Rob. & then you have, Gilbert, who's a good perimeter/3 pt. shooter, Carmelo a great perimeter shooter, aggressive slasher, Battier fine 3 pt shooter, and can play atleast good enough defense to contain Pippen. Let the team struggle and let Jordan shoot as much as he wants, 1 man isn't going to beat the team, it takes 5.
 
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