Politics CHARLIE KIRK SHOT IN UTAH (1 Viewer)

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bulls_with_booz said:
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He is not looking great.
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Not saying this is what happened, but my father had a TIA and stroke, and that's exactly what his face looked like. especially when he was tired or taking a nap.

Again, not saying this is what is happening here.
 
2Fluffy4U said:
I would argue your take here is highly problematic IMO.

'making yourself a target + what you say matters' - does not equal green light for violence.

But by omission - your statement actually insinuates exactly that:
That people who speak (spread lies) are valid targets for violence and should expect being shot / offended physically.

I would argue all here should oppose this logic.

If someone spreads lies - teach people to see through it. If someone manipulates words - put him in place and stand corrected.
If you have a set a values you believe in - teach others about it and offer them to join in shared values.
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This and this and a thousand more times of this!!! This isn’t post of the year. It is the post of the forum.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
This and this and a thousand more times of this!!! This isn’t post of the year. It is the post of the forum.
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It might be, if it wasn't based on misunderstanding the post it was responding to.

Or is that exactly what makes it the post of the forum?

barfo
 
barfo said:
It might be, if it wasn't based on misunderstanding the post it was responding to.

Or is that exactly what makes it the post of the forum?

barfo
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Nah. The misunderstanding is just that. A miss understanding. I care not which post this was responding to, but i fully believe in the foundation of the post as essential to turning things around.

I should clarify, its the last paragraph i am mostly referring to:

“If someone spreads lies - teach people to see through it. If someone manipulates words - put him in place and stand corrected.
If you have a set a values you believe in - teach others about it and offer them to join in shared values.”
 
The ONLY fix is to engage in open and honest dialogue with those we do not share ideologies with, while exhibiting aggressive restraint and providing respect enough to hear each other out. This goes for everyone on all sides.
The moment we close our ears to those we disagree with, its the beginning of the end…
 
Rastapopoulos said:
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He's right. How am I supposed to dialogue with a person who said gays should be stoned to death? (I said earlier incorrectly burned at the stake. Not a big difference.)

I engage with people with whom I disagree frequently here. And in real world. As soon as someone says I am not fully human I'm done.
 
From what reporter who was on the scene said, I faced much tighter security at a small suburban hospital ER on a slow Sunday night than they had at this event.
 
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And people above said that words don’t have consequences? Is that what I read? Spewing hate like this is mind boggling to me. And people are surprised by what happened?
 
THE HCP said:
And people above said that words don’t have consequences? Is that what I read? Spewing hate like this is mind boggling to me. And people are surprised by what happened?
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We don't know that's the motive. Could be a conservative upset about Kirks turn on the Epstein files. We just don't know.
 
It was the butler, with the candlestick, in the conservatory.

barfo
 
Words matter and spewing hate does have consequences. He was drawing in young people with his offering students a platform, and his effectiveness in doing so was threat.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
The ONLY fix is to engage in open and honest dialogue with those we do not share ideologies with, while exhibiting aggressive restraint and providing respect enough to hear each other out. This goes for everyone on all sides.
The moment we close our ears to those we disagree with, its the beginning of the end…
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Only if both sides are willing to listen to the facts. If one side is refusing to acknowledge the superiority of the findings of scientific professionals over their own suspicions than they are a waste of time. They aren't willing to have a conversation in good faith. Or they are incapable of doing so.
 
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Hold the fucking phone...these morons saw "TRN" and defaulted to "Oh that must be trans related!!!!"

My god...we are seriously being run by fucking morons in this country. Like legit, these are the people who are running things.
 
julius said:
Hold the fucking phone...these morons saw "TRN" and defaulted to "Oh that must be trans related!!!!"

My god...we are seriously being run by fucking morons in this country. Like legit, these are the people who are running things.
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These are the people we're supposed to have an intelligent back and forth with??
 
Not morons, stochastic terrorists. If they can get away with motivating people to murder trans people they will. I’m glad they got called out on it so quickly.
 
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