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are you happy that chauncey billups got the job

  • yes

    Votes: 80 59.7%
  • no

    Votes: 10 7.5%
  • yes, but he was not my first choice

    Votes: 19 14.2%
  • meh, im indifferent

    Votes: 25 18.7%

  • Total voters
    134
A woman doesn't get those kind of injuries because she had a jolly good time. So she is awful sounds unlikely, even if it is unclear who did what.

I don't think anyone denies something happened (rough sex is an option, but not necessarily the best excuse one can offer).

I think some of the issue is, those who instantly presumed their guilt vs those who wondered about it vs those who supported her version of the story as gospel vs the truth somewhere.
 
I have always gone with the idea that Billups had SOME part in this and that is troubling BUT I believe he has used that tragic situation to learn from and become a better man and the past 20 plus years has shown this to be true this is why as a fan I support the hire. I just wish other fans would try and get around to the same way of thinking and stop thinking just because he was (prolly ) involved he should be canceled for LIFE and never have a chance at better career options etc.

However this is the last time I would prefer to discuss this and would prefer to talk about how NeO and Billups will keep Dame happy and in Portland and bring the Blazers a ring .
 
Also, who you hang out with.

Tho that doesn't always make a difference. I have a friend who was molested by a (same age) cousin.

But my comment was as much about men, as it is anything. Don't be around people who are horrible people, or put you in a situation like this.
 
The only new thing I got was that she never identified Chauncey as being in the room that she can remember the crime happening in. I thought for sure he would have been part of her recollection of the crime. I'm not saying that means he couldn't have been there or that it means definitively that the crime in question didn't happen. I just thought it was a pretty big detail that she said Mercer was there and did things, she said Walker was there and did nothing and she said she woke up next to Irvin. No Chauncey and I don't know how many other guys were in the house but at least one other was, who drove her home and told her to keep quiet... all according to her and contrary to the accounts of the other parties.

So yeah, still a he said she said, clouded at least by alcohol; which describes so many of these situations, so many of which are horrendous crimes but that's still where it's at. Also, this article definitely didn't make her seem like a stronger witness. If anything it was damaging to her and overall just an indictment on the authorities' records and newspapers' lack of reporting. The writer of the article was obviously frustrated with their source information and if looked at correctly IMO, put Chauncey in a better light.

I also bet the ex FBI personnel that did the Blazers investigation had more experience investigating and had more cooperation from the authorities.

Not only was she unable to identify Billups as being in the room, she did not disclose about oral sex given to Billups in the car in her statement. Billups later disclosed this in the court documents.
 
I don't think anyone denies something happened (rough sex is an option, but not necessarily the best excuse one can offer).

I think some of the issue is, those who instantly presumed their guilt vs those who wondered about it vs those who supported her version of the story as gospel vs the truth somewhere.

Something happened. The men in that room (Mercer, Irvin, whoever else was there) had sexual relations with her. Did they rape her? Did they stupidly have sex with an intoxicated woman who didn't want to but couldn't say so because she was too drunk.

The fact that she woke up, immediately asked to leave and went to the hospital tells me she felt she was raped. It's possible she cried rape to get money, but it really doesn't seem like she planned this out.

She had sexual relations with mercer and others in the past. That doesn't mean she wanted it this time.

She remembers Billups in the car as they drove to the house, but can't identify him as being in the room.

We will never know the whole story. We will never know exactly what happened.
 
A woman doesn't get those kind of injuries because she had a jolly good time. So she is awful sounds unlikely, even if it is unclear who did what.
Actually, women get damaged in consensual sex regularly. We don't (or at least I don't) know how large specific body parts in question are, but I know that Ron Mercer is 6'7" and if things are all proportional, then he is more capable of causing injuries consistent with sexual assault than the average man.

I agree that she doesn't have to be an awful person to be telling her story and it be inconsistent with what really happened. She was blacked out for at least part of the night, and (I speak from experience) moments of clarity can happen during blackouts, but there are also points of "greying out" where you can remember some stuff but not perfectly.

The state would have had to prove that Billups was at Walker's place, that he was in the room, and that he performed nonconsensual sex acts on her. That seems like a very tough thing to prove given her state and the lack of evidence (that I've seen) that Billups was any of those things.
 
A woman doesn't get those kind of injuries because she had a jolly good time. So she is awful sounds unlikely, even if it is unclear who did what.
Agreed. The accuser was assaulted. I don't think there is much of a question about that.

But by who? Was Billups even at the house, or did he just drop them off?

Unfortunately there is not enough evidence to convict or hold Billups more accountable than he already has been... He paid a settlement, and unless more evidence comes out that implicates him I think it should be dropped in all fairness.
 
Agreed. The accuser was assaulted. I don't think there is much of a question about that.

But by who? Was Billups even at the house, or did he just drop them off?

Unfortunately there is not enough evidence to convict or hold Billups more accountable than he already has been... He paid a settlement, and unless more evidence comes out that implicates him I think it should be dropped in all fairness.
Based on what? I don’t mean to come off combative, but it’s literally a he said she said. I’m not saying she wasn’t assaulted, but is there proof of it, or just proof of rough sex?
 
Based on what? I don’t mean to come off combative, but it’s literally a he said she said. I’m not saying she wasn’t assaulted, but is there proof of it, or just proof of rough sex?
If she was black out drunk and somebody had rough sex with her she was assaulted. I'm pretty sure that's just how the law works.
 
This fucking clown Highkin going crazy against Billups on Twitter again. Seriously i hope Billups treats him like dog shit when he's a successful Blazers Coach. Dude has nothing to do except to bash Billups.
 
https://www.opb.org/article/2021/07...billups-1997-rape-sexual-assault-allegations/
The team’s review did not obtain information directly from several primary sources, including the accuser.

“It’s news to us that they conducted an investigation,” said Margaret A. Burnham, attorney for Jane Doe.

Burnham, a law professor and director of the Civil Rights and Restorative Justice Project at Northeastern School of Law in Boston, represented Doe in the 1998 federal civil lawsuit against Billups and three other men, two of whom were teammates. Burnham said she remains Doe’s attorney 23 years later and that “we stand by the allegations.”

Jane Doe is presumably still alive.

A criminal rape investigation never resulted in charges against Billups or the other men. A civil case filed in federal court in Massachusetts by Doe offers some specifics of the allegations she made, however.

Doe’s complaint alleges on Nov. 9, 1997, three men, including Billups, raped her at the house of Billups’ Boston Celtics teammate Antoine Walker. In her lawsuit, Doe states a medical examination done the next day revealed “injuries to [Doe’s] throat, cervix and rectum.” In his answer to Doe’s complaint filed with the court nearly one year later, Billups said he engaged in consensual oral sex with Doe, and that he drove Doe not to Walker’s house but to teammate Ron Mercer’s.

Retracing the 1997 case involves many roadblocks. One of Doe’s attorneys, a Harvard University law professor, has Alzheimer’s disease. One of the defendants’ attorneys on the case is dead. Another said he hasn’t spoken to Billups in years and also said he wasn’t contacted as part of any investigation by the Trail Blazers.

“I’m the only lawyer standing in this case,” said Burnham, who was recently nominated by President Joe Biden to the Civil Rights Cold Case Review Board, which aims to help solve murders, such as lynchings and other racially motivated killings, from the Civil Rights Era.

Burnham refused to discuss Doe’s allegations against Billups and the other players and said neither she nor her client was interested in being drawn into the case again.

“There is a truth issue here we care about,” Burnham said. “But beyond that, I hope the people of Oregon and Portland will figure it all out.”

The Blazers’ investigation also did not contact the current district attorney in Middlesex County, where the alleged rape took place, or Thomas Reilly, the former district attorney who led the investigation into the 1997 allegation and declined to press criminal charges.

Reilly, who served as Massachusetts attorney general from 1999 to 2007, told OPB in an email that he believes Billups.

“Mr. Billups has consistently said that any acts between him and the woman involved were consensual,” Reilly said via email. “I believe he is telling the truth because the evidence obtained during the course of a very thorough investigation backed him up … no doubt about it.”

Reilly declined to go into any detail about the case or to describe the evidence that led him to the conclusion that Billups did not rape Jane Doe in November 1997.

“You and your colleague can continue to work this story until the cows come home but you will not be able to change the bottom line … .” Reilly said in an email. “Mr. Billups is telling the truth about the incident you refer to. You called me and I’ve tried to help you but enough is enough … case closed.”

Former DA who didn't press charges against Billups still supports him.

Also, Jane Doe's client and Jane Doe herself doesn't want to get dragged back into this. Can the fucking justice mob finally leave this alone?

This will die down when the season starts.
 
Rough sex bullshit. That wasn't a bruise or sore muscles.

Ask any woman you know, including your mother, wife, daughter, if she enjoys having her vagina, rectum and throat ripped up and getting the crap beat out of her. That's not a little fun spanking or play bondage. Ask. Then come back here with the answer.

I agree there isn't any real evidence Billups was in the room. But a medical report is not he said she said.

In my younger wild days I sometimes drank more than I should and behaved in embarrassing manner. As did others. But I was never raped any of those times because there was no rapist present. Alcohol impairs judgement but it does not turn non rapist into rapist.
 
https://www.opb.org/article/2021/07...billups-1997-rape-sexual-assault-allegations/


Jane Doe is presumably still alive.



Former DA who didn't press charges against Billups still supports him.

Also, Jane Doe's client and Jane Doe herself doesn't want to get dragged back into this. Can the fucking justice mob finally leave this alone?

This will die down when the season starts.
I don’t think this is dying down.

But this should all have been over when the former DA said Billups is telling the truth based on the evidence. EVERYONE SHOULD BE GOOD WITH THAT
 
Burnham refused to discuss Doe’s allegations against Billups and the other players and said neither she nor her client was interested in being drawn into the case again.
This is what I'm saying. Yet all of Blazers twitter and Blazersedge want to drag her into the mud again to make them feel better about Billups. So much for caring about the victim.
 
She said the Irvin guy had sex with her, so she wasn’t black out drunk then. Couldn’t name Billups as someone in the room, which means she wasn’t black out drunk then
Yeah, I don't see any evidence that Billups was in the room.

None of anything you said means she wasn't blackout drunk. You can have moments of clarity between blackouts... That's actually not uncommon at all.
 
Rough sex bullshit. That wasn't a bruise or sore muscles.

Ask any woman you know, including your mother, wife, daughter, if she enjoys having her vagina, rectum and throat ripped up and getting the crap beat out of her. That's not a little fun spanking or play bondage. Ask. Then come back here with the answer.

I agree there isn't any real evidence Billups was in the room. But a medical report is not he said she said.

In my younger wild days I sometimes drank more than I should and behaved in embarrassing manner. As did others. But I was never raped any of those times because there was no rapist present. Alcohol impairs judgement but it does not turn non rapist into rapist.
Does the DA saying evidence backs Billups mean anything? Honest question
 
Rough sex bullshit. That wasn't a bruise or sore muscles.

Ask any woman you know, including your mother, wife, daughter, if she enjoys having her vagina, rectum and throat ripped up and getting the crap beat out of her. That's not a little fun spanking or play bondage. Ask. Then come back here with the answer.

I agree there isn't any real evidence Billups was in the room. But a medical report is not he said she said.

In my younger wild days I sometimes drank more than I should and behaved in embarrassing manner. As did others. But I was never raped any of those times because there was no rapist present. Alcohol impairs judgement but it does not turn non rapist into rapist.
Yeah it does sound like rape was very likely, it doesn't sound like there is a shred of evidence that Chauncey was involved, so that is where it's a he said she said. She said Chauncey was there, everyone else said he wasn't... obviously if a rape occurred "everyone else" aren't very reliable. So we'll never know but we do know that Chauncey has been a high character guy for the last 20 years and people deserve the presumption of innocence in the absence of evidence.
 
Yeah it does sound like rape was very likely, it doesn't sound like there is a shred of evidence that Chauncey was involved, so that is where it's a he said she said. She said Chauncey was there, everyone else said he wasn't... obviously if a rape occurred "everyone else" aren't very reliable. So we'll never know but we do know that Chauncey has been a high character guy for the last 20 years and people deserve the presumption of innocence in the absence of evidence.
Actually at first she said she didn’t know if Chauncey was there or not
 

Also, they freaking buried the lede with this byline in the article:
Accuser’s attorney says she wasn’t contacted about 1997 rape allegations

whereas it should have been:
DA: “I believe he is telling the truth because the evidence obtained during the course of a very thorough investigation backed him up … no doubt about it."

I can't believe these journalists are getting away with this nonsense. It is not about getting to the truth whatsoever.
 
Also, they freaking buried the lede with this byline in the article:
Accuser’s attorney says she wasn’t contacted about 1997 rape allegations

whereas it should have been:
DA: “I believe he is telling the truth because the evidence obtained during the course of a very thorough investigation backed him up … no doubt about it."

I can't believe these journalists are getting away with this nonsense.

Writer of an article has an agenda. More at 10!
 
Rough sex bullshit. That wasn't a bruise or sore muscles.

Ask any woman you know, including your mother, wife, daughter, if she enjoys having her vagina, rectum and throat ripped up and getting the crap beat out of her. That's not a little fun spanking or play bondage. Ask. Then come back here with the answer.

I agree there isn't any real evidence Billups was in the room. But a medical report is not he said she said.

In my younger wild days I sometimes drank more than I should and behaved in embarrassing manner. As did others. But I was never raped any of those times because there was no rapist present. Alcohol impairs judgement but it does not turn non rapist into rapist.

I really hate to say this because I really don’t know what happened that night but….when you deal with nba players who are obviously a lot bigger than the average human…injuries to those areas can happen pretty easily. Alcohol increases pain tolerance. I’m just saying…that’s a possible scenario.
 
Also, they freaking buried the lede with this byline in the article:
Accuser’s attorney says she wasn’t contacted about 1997 rape allegations

whereas it should have been:
DA: “I believe he is telling the truth because the evidence obtained during the course of a very thorough investigation backed him up … no doubt about it."

I can't believe these journalists are getting away with this nonsense.
Exactly. Done!!!

If something else comes to light, I’ll lead the pitchfork parade, but until then you have to have an agenda to go after Billups
 

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