Chauncey rumblings

[illmatic99]

I don't see us going for an outside hire to replace Billups.

That guy coaching our GL team sounded pretty good the other day when they had him on the broadcast. It's obvious they're grooming him. Sergi Oliva.

This kinda promotion has worked out recently with Nurse, Jenkins, and Daigneault.

 

[e_blazer]

I don't see Chauncey getting fired this season. He's definitely in a lame duck situation and I think that it's in both Chauncey's and the team's best interests to let the season play out and then let him move on to whatever his next career option may be.

It seems to me like Chauncey, Cronin and Jody Allen are all kind of in the mode of letting this season of suck-itude play out as it may. I hope Jody decides to sell the team this summer, Joe moves on along with Chauncey, and a new owner with a desire to build a contender comes in, bringing in a new GM and coach. The Blazers need a fresh dose of enthusiasm. Joe's got 3 weeks to make a trade that matters and that could save his job, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[julius]

I don't see Chauncey getting fired this season. He's definitely in a lame duck situation and I think that it's in both Chauncey's and the team's best interests to let the season play out and then let him move on to whatever his next career option may be.

It seems to me like Chauncey, Cronin and Jody Allen are all kind of in the mode of letting this season of suck-itude play out as it may. I hope Jody decides to sell the team this summer, Joe moves on along with Chauncey, and a new owner with a desire to build a contender comes in, bringing in a new GM and coach. The Blazers need a fresh dose of enthusiasm. Joe's got 3 weeks to make a trade that matters and that could save his job, but I'm not holding my breath.

Jody isn't the reason the team is bad, nor is Joe. If we're going to give Joe blame for the team being bad, then we can't act like Shaedon wasn't a good pick, or trading for Toumani wasn't good, or trading for Deni wasn't good, or that DC doesn't have potential to be a solid player.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Jody isn't the reason the team is bad, nor is Joe. If we're going to give Joe blame for the team being bad, then we can't act like Shaedon wasn't a good pick, or trading for Toumani wasn't good, or trading for Deni wasn't good, or that DC doesn't have potential to be a solid player.

Hmm. She isn't the reason it isn't bad, like somebody like Ballmer.

 

[e_blazer]

Jody isn't the reason the team is bad, nor is Joe. If we're going to give Joe blame for the team being bad, then we can't act like Shaedon wasn't a good pick, or trading for Toumani wasn't good, or trading for Deni wasn't good, or that DC doesn't have potential to be a solid player.

I’m not blaming Joe for anything yet. I do think he has to shit or get off the pot on moving some of the vets. He’s got three weeks to do it.

 

[Chris Craig]

I’m not blaming Joe for anything yet. I do think he has to shit or get off the pot on moving some of the vets. He’s got three weeks to do it.

Maybe he's constipated

 

[e_blazer]

Maybe he's constipated

He should add some Vet-amucil to his diet.

 

[julius]

I’m not blaming Joe for anything yet. I do think he has to shit or get off the pot on moving some of the vets. He’s got three weeks to do it.

the new CBA makes it much harder to do trades now.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I doubt he has lost the team. No one likes to tank.

 

[e_blazer]

the new CBA makes it much harder to do trades now.

You sound like me. I’ve been saying that all season. Hard isn’t impossible.

 

[julius]

You sound like me. I’ve been saying that all season. Hard isn’t impossible.

so why have there been soooo many trades made this year?

 

[e_blazer]

so why have there been soooo many trades made this year?

Well, the most likely reason there haven’t been many trades yet, beyond the CBA difficulties, is the fact that GMs often wait to see what’s available at the deadline. It’s deadline time starting now.

 

[cheesehoff]

The only reason to fire Chauncey halfway into a lameduck season is he's detrimental to the kids growing and contributing to them developing bad habits. And I don't really see any susbtantial issues like that happening.

It doesn't have to be that he's detrimental to their growth or contributing to developing bad habits. The fact that they aren't growing and aren't developing good habits after 3 1/2 years is enough to let him go. Whatever Scoot might be learning about the game, it's obvious that he's not learning how to control an offense. That's easy to see in the on court results.
I think the thing that made him a favorite assistant coach might be the same thing that's contributing to him losing the team-he's a player's coach.
Imho, the most difficult part of being a head coach nowadays is finding the balance between building a trusting relationship with players and still having their respect...or even a tiny dose of fear.

 

[cheesehoff]

I hate it when someone posts, don't hire a retread. That means, trust in luck while yet another rookie coach fails to teach himself how to coach, call it a new 5-year tank, and pretend the tank started then instead of the previous tank.

At this point, the type of retread we need is either great at player development or has a well known history of winning, so "losing the team" isn't a concern.

 

[wizenheimer]

the new CBA makes it much harder to do trades now.

it's more difficult for 2nd apron teams because of the aggregation rule. For teams over the 1st apron, they can't trade for more salary than they send out. Not sure how big an impact that has

there are only 4 teams over the 2nd apron and 5 other teams over the 1st apron

the other side of that is that other trade restrictions have been relaxed for teams below the 1st apron. Some of the major changes:



those are pretty significant increases in trade differentials

not only that, but the new rule about being able to use MLE's and BAE's just like a TPE is a huge change. And the contract salary +100K has been increased to +250K and that applies to those MLE's, BAE's and TPE's too

 

[cheesehoff]

Billups knows even less about office work than he does about coaching. He talks slowly because he thinks slowly.

I've had the chance to sit and talk to CB a few times while watching our daughter's play volleyball. He's quite a bit different when he's not in front of a camera with a mic in his face. Not that he's a fast talker by any measure, but he's definitely not worried about choosing his words as carefully. I think any newer coach that's smart would be more deliberate in their interviews.

 

[BIG Q]

With the new CBA, isn't there a new stair step in the thresholds and caps over the next few years?

 

[Samuel]

I think the cba is more difficult. that's 1000% true, and it's the headline.

but.

I also think organizations are using the cba to sell inactivity with their fanbases (see kerr and mikey jr's messages the last few days to their fanbase).

I also think gms are using the cba to remind other gms they're negotiating with that taking on a big money contract requires freight to be paid (ex: by taking on your big contract I shouldn't have to give up as much—I'm actually doing 'you' a favor.)

 

[Everything Beagle]

I think the cba is more difficult. that's 1000% true, and it's the headline.

but.

I also think organizations are using the cba sell inactivity with their fanbases (see kerr and mikey jr's messages the last few days to their fanbase).

I also think gms are using the cba to remind other gms they're negotiating with that taking on a big money contract requires freight to be paid (ex: by taking on your big contract I shouldn't have to give up as much—I'm actually doing 'you' a favor.)

A classic buyer’s market. I remember when the CBA reacted to the incredible contracts folks like KG got. Teams who got sticker shock or regret after the fact were at a disadvantage.

 

[jlprk]

the new CBA makes it much harder to do trades now.

You sound like me. I’ve been saying that all season. Hard isn’t impossible.

You've been saying the obvious. It's been in many articles and message board posts across the league. Yet GMs still find a way. Necessity is the mother of invention.

so why have there been soooo many trades made this year?

But this issue is irrelevant to the thread title. The thread has been hijacked into about 5 forks--Cronin, player's coach, a regression to doubting that it's Billups fault, does he talk a lot at volleyball games, we should wait till the end of the season, etc. Nothing yet about Los Angeles fires.

 

[wizenheimer]

so why have there been soooo many trades made this year?

well, a poster at RealGM came up with this:



in other words, there has been no reduction in trades from last season to this, and might even be an increase

 

[bemac]

Some feel he has lost team

Say's the fans of every team outside the top 10

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The only reason to fire Chauncey halfway into a lameduck season is he's detrimental to the kids growing and contributing to them developing bad habits. And I don't really see any susbtantial issues like that happening.

Scoot has 39pts and now is the day people want to fire Billups?

I believe Camara had a career high as well.

Cronin, Jody and the Vulcans are all 10x more responsible for this mess than Billups.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Jody isn't the reason the team is bad, nor is Joe. If we're going to give Joe blame for the team being bad, then we can't act like Shaedon wasn't a good pick, or trading for Toumani wasn't good, or trading for Deni wasn't good, or that DC doesn't have potential to be a solid player.

Jody hired Joe and the Vulcans/Kolde

They then assembled this mess of a roster that has 100 million going to horrible vets. I have zero problem with the youth on this roster and it doesn't seem like Billups does either. It's these Ayton/Grant/Simons vets that Cronin and management assembled.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

the new CBA makes it much harder to do trades now.

Too bad the CBA took effect 3 weeks ago with zero warning....

 

[B-Roy]

Next?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Sullivan_(basketball)

Ben Sullivan (born March 19, 1984) is an American basketball coach and former player who is currently an assistant coach for the Houston Rockets of the National Basketball Association (NBA). He was previously an assistant coach with the Atlanta Hawks and the Milwaukee Bucks of the NBA. A former center at Cal State Northridge and the University of Portland, Sullivan has primarily served as a shooting coach during his NBA coaching career.[1]

Sullivan joined the San Antonio Spurs front office in 2012 as a video intern on the recommendation of then-Spurs assistant Ime Udoka.

Sullivan was named an assistant coach on former Spurs assistant Mike Budenholzer's coaching staff for the Atlanta Hawks on August 20, 2014.

Sullivan was one of a number of assistants who joined Budenholzer when the latter was hired as head coach of the Milwaukee Bucks before the 2018–19 NBA season.[4][5] While in Milwaukee, Sullivan has worked with NBA Most Valuable PlayerGiannis Antetokounmpo in developing his shooting ability, which has been considered as the main weakness in the Bucks star's basketball game.[2] Sullivan won his first NBA championship when the Bucks defeated the Phoenix Suns four games to two in the 2021 NBA Finals.[6]

Before the 2021–22 NBA season, Sullivan was hired as an assistant coach by the Boston Celtics.[7]

On July 3, 2023, Sullivan was hired by the Houston Rockets as an assistant coach.[8]

What a resume.

 

[PCmor7]

When you're tanking that's a good thing.

There's a good way to tank and a bad way to tank.

When you're tanking with young players, you want it to be that you are being detail-oriented and they're losing because they are learning the hard way how to play right and win in a couple of years.

Chauncey's way just looks like chaos. Chaos doesn't help Scoot or Sharpe or Toumani or Clingan, IMO. Awful spacing. No ball movement. No recognition of shooters in the corner. Lack of hustle.

We still can lose while learning important nuance.

 

[Samuel]

well, a poster at RealGM came up with this:

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in other words, there has been no reduction in trades from last season to this, and might even be an increase

At first blush though, no firsts exchanged this year so far; the raptors ‘did’ net first round draft capital for siakam though.

 

[wizenheimer]

At first blush though, no firsts exchanged this year so far; the raptors ‘did’ net first round draft capital for siakam though.

well, 2025 first round picks are probably way more valuable than were 2024 first round picks

 

[jlprk]

Sullivan has primarily served as a shooting coach during his NBA coaching career.[1]

...Sullivan has worked with NBA Most Valuable PlayerGiannis Antetokounmpo in developing his shooting ability

A head coach must be versatile, rounded, experienced at teaching everything. Not 1-dimensional. No rookie head coach this time! This isn't the Lakers!