Chemistry renewed.

[KingSpeed]

So 14 of his dunks were assisted.

4 of those were by Blake in the third quarter of the Minnesota game.

 

[KingSpeed]

So the stats show that, even if all of Oden's dunks were assisted by Roy/Blake (which they're not), and if all of his "tips" were putbacks, it would still only account for 28 of his 92 FGs, which at 30% doesn't qualify as "most" of anything. In fact, that's the exact same number as his "unassisted close shots", which is a pretty close phrase to "Greg's own post move". Combined with the stat (fact?) that 57% of his FGs come from other than tips, dunks and jump shots--you're just simply way off base with this premise.

Okay.

 

[BrianFromWA]

So in the other 20 games, he's passed the ball 9 times to Greg in position to get a score? One time, every two games, our starting PG passes the ball to our starting C in a position to score? What are we talking about here?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Look, my intention is not to say that Blake needs to be shot or something. My intention is to refute using stats, observations and analysis the premise that I presume you are advancing: that Blake is just fine in the 30+ mpg role Nate's defined for him as our starting PG. (please correct me if this isn't what you're trying to say) I don't think Blake's doing fine; I think that it's admirable that he's attempting to pass it in to the center as much or more than anyone else, but that it was nowhere close to enough; I think that his sub-10 PER with a lack of other redeeming non-PER qualities is anathema to a starter getting 30+ mpg; and I think that the sooner his role is reduced the better our team will play.

Obviously, that's not necessarily the most popular viewpoint, so I attempt to back up my analysis/opinions with statistics and observation. But one of my failings as a human is a drive I have to attempt to refute faulty reasoning as it differs with my carefully examined opinions. And since I generally admit when wrong and biased, it's odd to me when others don't.

 

[KingSpeed]

So in the other 20 games, he's passed the ball 9 times to Greg in position to get a score? One time, every two games, our starting PG passes the ball to our starting C in a position to score? What are we talking about here?

Blake did it better than anyone else on the team. I firmly believe that Blake could do it more if he was given the ball. When we give the ball to Blake and ask him to create, he is very effective. Look at that Clippers game last season. We gave him the ball and he orchestrated an NBA record masterpiece. Magic never did it. Stockton never did it. Paul has never done it. Blake sacrifices a lot for this team and he has said so in interviews. I'm having trouble finding links but I know he has said it.

 

[KingSpeed]

and I think that the sooner his role is reduced the better our team will play.

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910POR1.HTM

 

[BrianFromWA]

Blake did it better than anyone else on the team. I firmly believe that Blake could do it more if he was given the ball. When we give the ball to Blake and ask him to create, he is very effective. Look at that Clippers game last season. We gave him the ball and he orchestrated an NBA record masterpiece. Magic never did it. Stockton never did it. Paul has never done it. Blake sacrifices a lot for this team and he has said so in interviews. I'm having trouble finding links but I know he has said it.

When you find them, I'd like to see them, please. I can't ever remember Blake saying that. But I could be wrong.

Blake averages 30 mpg. He hasn't had a single game below 20 minutes. He's been the starting PG every single game we've played. Since Oden went down, he's averaged 38.5 mpg. How much more does he need to qualify for the "given the ball" in your eyes? While he's messed up multiple fast breaks, do you think that he just needs to keep doing it? Or be replaced by someone better at it (since that is an admitted strategy of the head coach, you'd think so).

I remember that Clippers game. I was there. I won't go into the aspect of poor stat-keeping (I have a lot of experience in that), but I will say that the rest of the game he had an average of 1 assist per quarter. Did he just forget to pass? Same with the Golden Minny Quarter you keep bringing up. If he got 4 assists to Oden in a quarter, why was the rest of the year an average of 1 assist to him every two games?

 

[KingSpeed]

why was the rest of the year an average of 1 assist to him every two games?

That's better than Miller did.

 

[KingSpeed]

I remember that Clippers game. I was there. I won't go into the aspect of poor stat-keeping (I have a lot of experience in that), but I will say that the rest of the game he had an average of 1 assist per quarter. [/QUOTE]

Did you just criticize Blake for not getting 56 assists in that game?

 

[BrianFromWA]

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910POR1.HTM

Maybe you can help me with this one. I'll just compare Miller and Blake, since they're the top two on that chart you showed the link to.

Player Min +/- Off Def Net48 W L Win%
Miller 55% +97 1.11 1.02 +7.8 12 10 54.5
Blake 60% +94 1.11 1.03 +7.0 15 6 71.4

So Miller and Blake play roughly the same amount of minutes, so this isn't a "sample size" issue. Miller has a slightly better +/- in less minutes. The offensive efficiency is the same, but Blake's defensive efficiency is worse than Miller's. Miller has a higher differential per 48 minutes, but Blake wins 17% more of the time with those stats? How is that? There isn't a single factor that is quantified there that shows Blake's better in any part of the game than Blake, or that the team does better in any aspect with Blake rather than Miller.

It's confusing to me. Which I why I wrote the email to 82games. They haven't responded. So I've taken to disregarding the WP%. But if you look at this page, specifically the "net production" column, you'll see that the only people on the team less productive than Blake are Przy and Howard. Every other player on the team was more productive with their minutes than Blake. That's one place where I draw my "we're better without him playing big minutes" argument from.

 

[KingSpeed]

W
I remember that Clippers game. I was there. I won't go into the aspect of poor stat-keeping (I have a lot of experience in that), but I will say that the rest of the game he had an average of 1 assist per quarter. ?

Blake only played 25 minutes in the game because it was a blowout. Only 13 minutes total in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters.

17 assists in 25 minutes is spectacular.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I remember that Clippers game. I was there. I won't go into the aspect of poor stat-keeping (I have a lot of experience in that), but I will say that the rest of the game he had an average of 1 assist per quarter.

Did you just criticize Blake for not getting 56 assists in that game?[/QUOTE]

No. Why did you assume that? I brought up the question of why, if he was having a night unparalleled in NBA history by even the greats, he got 3 assists for the rest of the night. If, as you say, that's an example of what happens when he's "given the ball with an opportunity to create".

 

[KingSpeed]

Maybe you can help me with this one. I'll just compare Miller and Blake, since they're the top two on that chart you showed the link to.

Player Min +/- Off Def Net48 W L Win%
Miller 55% +97 1.11 1.02 +7.8 12 10 54.5
Blake 60% +94 1.11 1.03 +7.0 15 6 71.4

So Miller and Blake play roughly the same amount of minutes, so this isn't a "sample size" issue. Miller has a slightly better +/- in less minutes. The offensive efficiency is the same, but Blake's defensive efficiency is worse than Miller's. Miller has a higher differential per 48 minutes, but Blake wins 17% more of the time with those stats? How is that? There isn't a single factor that is quantified there that shows Blake's better in any part of the game than (Miller*), or that the team does better in any aspect with Blake rather than Miller.

It's confusing to me. Which I why I wrote the email to 82games. They haven't responded. So I've taken to disregarding the WP%. But if you look at this page, specifically the "net production" column, you'll see that the only people on the team less productive than Blake are Przy and Howard. Every other player on the team was more productive with their minutes than Blake. That's one place where I draw my "we're better without him playing big minutes" argument from.

Hmm.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Blake only played 25 minutes in the game because it was a blowout. Only 13 minutes total in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters.

17 assists in 25 minutes is spectacular.

I agree that 17 in 25min is great, but you're making my point. If he got 14 in 12 minutes in the first, but 3 in 13 minutes for the rest of the game, how is that an example of "what he can do with the ball in his hands"?

 

[KingSpeed]

Did you just criticize Blake for not getting 56 assists in that game?

No. Why did you assume that? I brought up the question of why, if he was having a night unparalleled in NBA history by even the greats, he got 3 assists for the rest of the night. If, as you say, that's an example of what happens when he's "given the ball with an opportunity to create".[/QUOTE]

After dominating with the ball in his hands, he shared the ball with Roy in the second and third quarters who had 9 assists in the game. The ball was then put into Sergio's hands who had 6 assists. Blake was spectacular when the ball was in his hands.

 

[KingSpeed]

I agree that 17 in 25min is great, but you're making my point. If he got 14 in 12 minutes in the first, but 3 in 13 minutes for the rest of the game, how is that an example of "what he can do with the ball in his hands"?

Because the fucking ball was fucking put into Roy and Sergio's hands who combined for 15 assists!!

It's called SHARING THE BALL.

Blake dominated when the ball was in his hands.

 

[KingSpeed]

I have a cold. I have to go to bed. Fun chatting with you all.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Wait, so Blake was in with Sergio? Who demanded the ball from Steve "I'm setting an NBA record that Magic and CP3 can't sniff!" Blake?

"Sharing the ball" is what got the 14 assists, right?

It seems then, what you're telling me, is that Blake was given two opportunities in the last 3 years to show "what he can do with the ball in his hands?" The 1st quarter of the Clippers game last year, and the 3rd of the Minny game this year? Other than that, he's had to defer to Roy and Sergio and Miller?

Is it because he's forced by his coach not to give out assists except in specified quarters against atrocious teams in blowouts?
Or perhaps because his better teammates demand the ball from him so that they can get assists/baskets?
Or, the more logical reason, that he as the starting PG for 30 mpg just doesn't bring a lot to the team other than 1 assist to our Franchise Center every two games and a 37% FG (36% 3pt shot)?