Chicken Soup For The Blazer Fan's Soul (Blazers Edge)

[Minstrel]

I'd agree except for the Quick/LMA article in last Sunday's Oregonian in which LMA said he knows Roy is a max player, and he probably would stay for less. Did you read that one?

Yes, I did. It was surprising and I wonder if that will hold true when his agent is the one talking to Pritchard. But, in any case, Aldridge isn't the end of the line. Oden will be next. If he's utterly dominant, it's not a hard choice but if he's at, say, 17/10, is he an "automatic max out?" It seems like it'll be less perturbing to him for Portland to negotiate seriously with him if that's their policy for all players, whether the player is good, bad or great.

Then there's Rudy, Bayless and Batum. Who knows what level they will attain? Lots of negotiations in the future. Seems reasonable to establish the policy: we will negotiate with you, no matter how good you are. It will be tough but in good faith. Hire a good agent. We love you, though.

 

[Nikolokolus]

How much $ does one need to secure the financial security of his immediate and extended family. Give me a number, or you're the one spouting "a load of fucking horseshit".

I don't think anyone on these boards knows the details of the negotiations including you. If it's "nickel and dimed" (i.e. a small amount) then why doesn't Roy just agree to the smaller amount?

What does PAs net worth have to do with anything? He's not really being paid by PA, he's being paid by the Blazers organization.

Who do you think signs the checks? He's absolutely being paid by Paul Allen, and then Allen hopes that the output that Roy produces for him will help sell his product so he can recoup that money he spends in salary.

Furthermore, the notion that just because 60 million dollars vs. 80 million dollars will have him set financially for a good long time with either amount is pretty much irrelevant. If I work for a company that is only willing to pay me 75% of my market value when my contract comes up for renegotiation while I'm fairly certain that several other companies would eagerly pay me 100% of market value, why in god's name would I settle for the lesser amount?

Let's make it a little more personal. For instance, if you won the lottery tomorrow and when you went to the lottery office to collect the payout they said to you, "hey we'd like to give you the full amount, but we need 25% of the prize to fund some project, how about helping us out?" would you meekly take the lesser amount because you'd be set for life either way? Perhaps you would, but I sure as hell wouldn't.

 

[PapaG]

Yes, I did. It was surprising and I wonder if that will hold true when his agent is the one talking to Pritchard. But, in any case, Aldridge isn't the end of the line. Oden will be next. If he's utterly dominant, it's not a hard choice but if he's at, say, 17/10, is he an "automatic max out?" It seems like it'll be less perturbing to him for Portland to negotiate seriously with him if that's their policy for all players, whether the player is good, bad or great.

Then there's Rudy, Bayless and Batum. Who knows what level they will attain? Lots of negotiations in the future. Seems reasonable to establish the policy: we will negotiate with you, no matter how good you are. It will be tough but in good faith. Hire a good agent. We love you, though.

I'm guessing none of them will be an All-Star next year, nor an All-NBA 2nd team player the season after that. Actually, I'd bet my entire net worth on it. Deal?

 

[Minstrel]

I'm guessing none of them will be an All-Star next year, nor an All-NBA 2nd team player the season after that. Actually, I'd bet my entire net worth on it. Deal?

They don't have to be as good as Roy to command a lot of cash. And, in fact, falling short of clear maximum value makes their negotiations trickier. I personally don't think Roy can be overpaid, due to the existence of max deals. But it will be possible to overpay Rudy, Batum and Bayless.

Better to set the precedent for tough negotiations now.

 

[barfo]

That wasn't my point, but thanks for being literal and avoiding the real topic at hand. How would you reconcile Millsap being in Portland at $8.5/per in terms of ticket prices.

That's certainly a better question. I'd say it amounts to about $10/ticket. (41 games * 20630 seats = 845,000 game tickets.) Best buy lots of Millsap jerseys.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

They don't have to be as good as Roy to command a lot of cash. And, in fact, falling short of clear maximum value makes their negotiations trickier. I personally don't think Roy can be overpaid, due to the existence of max deals. But it will be possible to overpay Rudy, Batum and Bayless.

Better to set the precedent for tough negotiations now.

I'd hate to see what "trickier" means at this point on an extension off of a rookie deal. Roy is a no-brainer, and he's "frustrated" and "disappointed" and thinks a deal is "50/50, at best".

 

[Minstrel]

I'd hate to see what "trickier" means at this point on an extension off of a rookie deal.

"Trickier" means that it's not clear where the final per year dollar figure will end up. For Roy, it's pretty certain that it will be the maximum per year. Only number of years seems to be in question.

 

[PapaG]

"Trickier" means that it's not clear where the final per year dollar figure will end up. For Roy, it's pretty certain that it will be the maximum per year. Only number of years seems to be in question.

We don't know this. We only know the year issue at this point. I've heard nothing about what he Blazers are offering in terms of dollars.

 

[Minstrel]

We don't know this.

I didn't say we know it for a fact. I used "seems to be" because that's the only difference reported.

If Pritchard can get Roy signed for less than max dollars, he really is a wizard!

 

[PapaG]

I didn't say we know it for a fact. I used "seems to be" because that's the only difference reported.

If Pritchard can get Roy signed for less than max dollars, he really is a wizard!

Or, if he isn't offering max dollars, he's an idiot.

 

[Minstrel]

Or, if he isn't offering max dollars, he's an idiot.

If he isn't willing to give Roy max dollars no matter what, he's pretty dumb, yes. Starting under max dollars isn't a bad idea. You rarely start at your best offer in a negotiation.

 

[PapaG]

If he isn't willing to give Roy max dollars no matter what, he's pretty dumb, yes. Starting under max dollars isn't a bad idea. You rarely start at your best offer in a negotiation.

With your best player in at least 15 years, yes, you do. Otherwise, we get cryptic texts relaying "statements" coming next week.

100% bungled thus far.

 

[Minstrel]

With your best player in at least 15 years, yes, you do.

You don't. If you're going to do that, why even negotiate in the first place?

Otherwise, we get cryptic texts relaying "statements" coming next week.

And cryptic texts are a big problem, something to be avoided at all costs? Until someone says something conclusive, I'm not going to get worked up speculating. Maybe his statement is that he'll be giving every Portland resident a pony.

 

[PapaG]

You don't. If you're going to do that, why even negotiate in the first place?



And cryptic texts are a big problem, something to be avoided at all costs? Until someone says something conclusive, I'm not going to get worked up speculating. Maybe his statement is that he'll be giving every Portland resident a pony.

You sure seem to be spending a lot of time arguing my own speculation.

 

[Minstrel]

You sure seem to be spending a lot of time arguing my own speculation.

I said I wouldn't get worked up...I never said I wouldn't obsessively post. I would never vow not to post obsessively. I like posting obsessively.

 

[PapaG]

I said I wouldn't get worked up...I never said I wouldn't obsessively post. I would never vow not to post obsessively. I like posting obsessively.

Heh. Touche!

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Let's make it a little more personal. For instance, if you won the lottery tomorrow and when you went to the lottery office to collect the payout they said to you, "hey we'd like to give you the full amount, but we need 25% of the prize to fund some project, how about helping us out?" would you meekly take the lesser amount because you'd be set for life either way? Perhaps you would, but I sure as hell wouldn't.

The employees where I work (me included) have agreed to take a permanent pay cut so that no one will be fired.... and I'm not getting paid millions of $, far from it.

I'm not saying Roy should not make the max. However, he should understand that this MAY be a decision he is making (having a buddy fired instead of taking less) and he doesn't know it. Of course, it may never come to this. However, he is acting like he doesn't understand the bargaining process and he doesn't understand what's at stake. Under these circumstances, people should not be bitching about KP. (They should bitch about KP for other reasons )