Child Welfare called in on Father who gave Son a Gun

[RR7]

Do you see ANY reason at all that the CPS should follow up on an anonymous tip that there are guns at someone's house?

If they did any kind of background check, they'd have found the guy is certified firearms instructor and safety inspector.

What I don't understand is your desire to make assumptions on the article. Was the anonymous tip to CPS just "There are guns at this person's house"? Where are you getting your information? Also, wouldn't the background check for no reason just be an invasion of privacy you'd cry about?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

If someone calls CPS with a complaint about me, I'd be annoyed at that person. Not the police. Not CPS. I'd be happy to know that CPS takes their job seriously to check in on the tips, to protect kids.

This. Given the lack of privacy in today's world, people's tendencies to overreact (like the dad, himself, making this a big deal and pointing a finger at CPS/police), and the recent sensationalized string of gun violence, it's clear the kid is in danger: his dad is clearly an idiot.

 

[Denny Crane]

And what do you propose, they ignore tips? Only act on something if they specifically see abuse?

I think they shouldn't be invasive.

Shots fired? Go in with guns blazing!

Not? Do a little recon first, before you get all up in the peoples' grills.

 

[porkchopexpress]

I think they shouldn't be invasive.

Shots fired? Go in with guns blazing!

Not? Do a little recon first, before you get all up in the peoples' grills.

Recon? WTF to you want them to do? Set up a stake out? Interview their neighbors/friends? Both of those would have been a whole lot worse. The LEAST invasive thing they could do is talk to the parents.

 

[RR7]

I think they shouldn't be invasive.

Shots fired? Go in with guns blazing!

Not? Do a little recon first, before you get all up in the peoples' grills.

Recon? WTF? You have no clue what the tip was, so you should stop making assumptions. For all you know, someone could have called saying guns are always just laying around the house for anyone to pick up, including young kids. So what, they just make a call? Everything ok there? Yeah? Ok. Boom. Shots fired. Forget guns blazing, just send a bodybag.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I think they shouldn't be invasive.

Shots fired? Go in with guns blazing!

Not? Do a little recon first, before you get all up in the peoples' grills.

They showed up, did a quick inquiry, and that was the end of the story. Until the dude bitched.

Remember, they acted on a tip from a supposed "friend".

 

[Denny Crane]

Recon? WTF to you want them to do? Set up a stake out? Interview their neighbors/friends? Both of those would have been a whole lot worse. The LEAST invasive thing they could do is talk to the parents.

Maybe they could have googled the guy?

Open a file, "one tip, unfounded." Wait for another.

Call on the phone, "we've had an anonymous tip, any reason we should be concerned?"

 

[Denny Crane]

They showed up, did a quick inquiry, and that was the end of the story. Until the dude bitched.

Remember, they acted on a tip from a supposed "friend".

PM me your home address and let's see if I can have the cops show up at your place.

(JUST KIDDING)

To make a point.

 

[RR7]

Maybe they could have googled the guy?

Open a file, "one tip, unfounded." Wait for another.

Call on the phone, "we've had an anonymous tip, any reason we should be concerned?"

google the guy? lol gimme a break.
Call? Do people normally says yes, definitely reason you should be concerned here?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

PM me your home address and let's see if I can have the cops show up at your place.

(JUST KIDDING)

To make a point.

I don't have anyone on FB that doesn't know me. And even then, I've limited access to a lot of my profile to everyone but a select few.

If the cops/CPS showed up at my door because someone reported me, I would be upset at the person that reported me, not the police/CPS. I have nothing to hide. And the cops/CPS were just acting on info they received, which is part of their job.

 

[Denny Crane]

google the guy? lol gimme a break.
Call? Do people normally says yes, definitely reason you should be concerned here?

Yep, google the guy. I'm sure they have even better sources of information on anyone than just google. What should they do if they found out he's a licensed gun safety trainer, etc?

And sure, the guy would have told them the truth and they'd have left him alone - on the phone.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't have anyone on FB that doesn't know me. And even then, I've limited access to a lot of my profile to everyone but a select few.

If the cops/CPS showed up at my door because someone reported me, I would be upset at the person that reported me, not the police/CPS. I have nothing to hide.

I have nothing to hide. That's scary.

Invite government in to listen to your phone calls, read your mail, read your email?

Nothing to hide, after all!

 

[porkchopexpress]

Maybe they could have googled the guy?

Open a file, "one tip, unfounded." Wait for another.

Call on the phone, "we've had an anonymous tip, any reason we should be concerned?"

The proper solution is to google the guy? And how exactly was the tip unfounded? It may be now, but at the time how was it unfounded? And as someone earlier stated, calling would be counterproductive as people will just lie. How would a call prove or disprove anything (in any case)?

 

[RR7]

Yep, google the guy. I'm sure they have even better sources of information on anyone than just google. What should they do if they found out he's a licensed gun safety trainer, etc?

And sure, the guy would have told them the truth and they'd have left him alone - on the phone.

So no upstanding person, or licensed anything has ever done anything wrong, right? Oh, he's a trainer, disregard.
Again, call, he says nothing is wrong. If he was, say, beating his kids, do you think he would have said that over the phone when they called?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I have nothing to hide. That's scary.

Invite government in to listen to your phone calls, read your mail, read your email?

Nothing to hide, after all!

You're taking it to an entirely extreme level, there. Far beyond the scope of this non-story/example.

But just know that the government already does listen to our calls and read our emails.

 

[Denny Crane]

The proper solution is to google the guy? And how exactly was the tip unfounded? It may be now, but at the time how was it unfounded? And as someone earlier stated, calling would be counterproductive as people will just lie. How would a call prove or disprove anything (in any case)?

Unfounded. Like the Pizza place not delivering the 150 pizzas I ordered to be delivered to BlazingGiant's house.

"Hi, we're contacting you because we got a tip. Someone is concerned about your child's access to guns."

"Well, I'm a certified instructor and safety inspector and my son is certified, too. The gun you're calling about is a .22 that looks pretty. It's not an assault rifle."

"Thanks. Bye."

Unfounded.

 

[jlprk]

I have nothing to hide. That's scary.

That makes you a very weird character. I'm calling the Feds to pay you a visit.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

So instead of just going to dude's house, we should try to google him and see what comes up?

Because the information we find on google is indicative of what they might find in reality. How exactly do you document that you properly executed a sufficient google search to clear the dude. Because they have to do that after a complaint is made, and if they don't and something happens, they're opened up for lawsuits/investigations. Seems much easier to go to the house, take a few minutes to discuss the complaint face-to-face, and then everyone can walk away knowing they have sufficient evidence to rule the complaint unwarranted, and everyone can move on.

 

[Denny Crane]

So no upstanding person, or licensed anything has ever done anything wrong, right? Oh, he's a trainer, disregard.
Again, call, he says nothing is wrong. If he was, say, beating his kids, do you think he would have said that over the phone when they called?

You can't act if you simply think someone is going to do something wrong sometime in the future.

You have to have something really compelling. Owning a gun is not illegal. Nothing compelling here.

Hey, there's beer in your house. Your kids have access to beer. Better not ever have a photo of a kid near your beer.

 

[Denny Crane]

So instead of just going to dude's house, we should try to google him and see what comes up?

Because the information we find on google is indicative of what they might find in reality. How exactly do you document that you properly executed a sufficient google search to clear the dude. Because they have to do that after a complaint is made, and if they don't and something happens, they're opened up for lawsuits/investigations. Seems much easier to go to the house, take a few minutes to discuss the complaint face-to-face, and then everyone can walk away knowing they have sufficient evidence to rule the complaint unwarranted, and everyone can move on.

The information on google may well be indicative.

"News story: the guy arrested for a crime using a gun."

Go get him!

"News story: the guy shot the biggest buck in the hunting contest."

No grounds to do squat.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Unfounded. Like the Pizza place not delivering the 150 pizzas I ordered to be delivered to BlazingGiant's house.

"Hi, we're contacting you because we got a tip. Someone is concerned about your child's access to guns."

"Well, I'm a certified instructor and safety inspector and my son is certified, too. The gun you're calling about is a .22 that looks pretty. It's not an assault rifle."

"Thanks. Bye."

Unfounded.

Yes, because he's going to tell CPS/police over the phone that he's a threat and/or his child is in danger.

"Yes, officer. I understand. But no, I would never hurt my child. He/She is totally safe with my."

- every parent that abuses their child.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

The information on google may well be indicative.

"News story: the guy arrested for a crime using a gun."

Go get him!

"News story: the guy shot the biggest buck in the hunting contest."

No grounds to do squat.

If only we'd have googled Adam Lanza before he committed his crime - we'd have caught him with all the information on googl!

Oh wait, no we wouldn't.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes, because he's going to tell CPS/police over the phone that he's a threat and/or his child is in danger.

"Yes, officer. I understand. But no, I would never hurt my child. He/She is totally safe with my."

- every parent that abuses their child.

"I'm certified in arms training and safety. You can find the records in your files. The gun is a .22, a gift for my son. He's certified, too. You can find the records in your files. Now leave us alone."

And they should leave them alone.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Because someone certified to handle guns has never used their training for bad intentions?

The guy should find new friends.

 

[Denny Crane]

If only we'd have googled Adam Lanza before he committed his crime - we'd have caught him with all the information on googl!

Oh wait, no we wouldn't.

So now you're suggesting they should google everyone all the time?

 

[Denny Crane]

Because someone certified to handle guns has never used their training for bad intentions?

The guy should find new friends.

Owning a gun is not illegal.

It's not illegal for the son to own one.

Maybe they should just drop a bomb on the guy's house with a drone on the unfounded report!

 

[jlprk]

So what this means is that any picture of a kid on Facebook doing anything with a small chance of danger will result in the Gestapo knocking on your door. So no one should put pictures of their kids on the internet.

Will CPS publish its precise rules for what we can post on the internet, or will they continue to operate in secrecy? Will American propaganda continue to tell us how censored the internet is in other countries?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

So no upstanding person, or licensed anything has ever done anything wrong, right? Oh, he's a trainer, disregard.
Again, call, he says nothing is wrong. If he was, say, beating his kids, do you think he would have said that over the phone when they called?

So if you knock on his door all of a sudden he's going to confess to beating the shit out of his kids?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Owning a gun is not illegal.

It's not illegal for the son to own one.

Maybe they should just drop a bomb on the guy's house with a drone on the unfounded report!

Yeah. It's cool. You're on an entirely different level. Nobody is saying to use drones. Nobody is saying google everyone (well, it kinda seemed like you were saying that's the approach we should be taking whenever a complaint is made, though).

CPS/Police acted on a tip from a friend. They did their job. They didn't make a big deal of it, but the dad did. They didn't blow down the door, they just investigated a complaint from the dude's own friend. How it's their fault for checking on the welfare of a child is beyond me.

And as several of us have suggested, you don't have a copy of the complaint lodged. So it could have been blown up to be much bigger than it was. Even then, the cops did their homework, they didn't make some crazy scene.

I'm still trying to figure out if you're really on this level, or just trying to get post counts up to make a few extra pennies. Business been lacking, Denny?

 

[RR7]

Owning a gun is not illegal.

It's not illegal for the son to own one.

Maybe they should just drop a bomb on the guy's house with a drone on the unfounded report!

bomb his house? Way to hop into ridiculousness! They stopped in, nothing doing, left him alone. They didn't arrest him. Didn't confiscate his guns. Didn't trash his house. Didn't search illegally. wtf.