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VanillaGorilla said:
So if you knock on his door all of a sudden he's going to confess to beating the shit out of his kids?
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No, but if you can see the kids with your own eyes, talk to them for a few minutes, you can feel a lot better about their safety.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Yeah. It's cool. You're on an entirely different level. Nobody is saying to use drones. Nobody is saying google everyone (well, it kinda seemed like you were saying that's the approach we should be taking whenever a complaint is made, though).

CPS/Police acted on a tip from a friend. They did their job. They didn't make a big deal of it, but the dad did. They didn't blow down the door, they just investigated a complaint from the dude's own friend. How it's their fault for checking on the welfare of a child is beyond me.

And as several of us have suggested, you don't have a copy of the complaint lodged. So it could have been blown up to be much bigger than it was. Even then, the cops did their homework, they didn't make some crazy scene.

I'm still trying to figure out if you're really on this level, or just trying to get post counts up to make a few extra pennies. Business been lacking, Denny?
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What shouldn't the CPS investigate?

"Hi, I'm making an anonymous tip. BlazingGiant's kid has a toy gun that looks like a real one. It's clearly (IMO!!!!!) child abuse."
 
Denny Crane said:
What shouldn't the CPS investigate?

"Hi, I'm making an anonymous tip. BlazingGiant's kid has a toy gun that looks like a real one. It's clearly (IMO!!!!!) child abuse."
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They won't answer this question, I've asked the same thing in a different way a couple times now.
 
Denny Crane said:
What shouldn't the CPS investigate?

"Hi, I'm making an anonymous tip. BlazingGiant's kid has a toy gun that looks like a real one. It's clearly (IMO!!!!!) child abuse."
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Yes, because that's clearly what happened in this case.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
They won't answer this question, I've asked the same thing in a different way a couple times now.
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Yes, a toy gun v. a gun that even the dad looks very similar to a semi-automatic. Apples to apples, eh?

I'm sure CPS/police took this much more serious when factoring in that the person that reported him said they were "friends". It's not like, "Hey, I'm some random dude worried about this child's well-being." It was a supposed friends. That seems a bit more credible there.

And again, we don't have the audio or written excerpts of the complaints filed, so there could have been more that the police were acting on, whether the information was credible or exaggerated. But alas, despite this being mentioned several times, you haven't seemed to grasp that concept.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
No, but if you can see the kids with your own eyes, talk to them for a few minutes, you can feel a lot better about their safety.
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People often forget that CPS are trained individuals, with BA's and often masters in their field. Talking to someone face to face, including the child, can yeild a lot of information to the trained eye. Often the child is talked to seperately also to see if the stories jive.
 
jlprk said:
So what this means is that any picture of a kid on Facebook doing anything with a small chance of danger will result in the Gestapo knocking on your door. So no one should put pictures of their kids on the internet.

Will CPS publish its precise rules for what we can post on the internet, or will they continue to operate in secrecy? Will American propaganda continue to tell us how censored the internet is in other countries?
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We don't agree on much, but the Gestapo knocking on your door is pretty spot on.

I think it's rather alarming how we've militarized the police. And it's not getting better.
 
donkiez said:
People often forget that CPS are trained individuals, with BA's and often masters in their field. Talking to someone face to face, including the child, can yeild a lot of information to the trained eye. Often the child is talked to seperately also to see if the stories jive.
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Exactly. But don't tell this to VG or DC.

And it sounds like that's what happened. They showed up, saw the kid, talked to him for a second, and it become obvious everything was okay.
 
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_momsatwork/2008/06/father-charged.html

Father charged with abuse after young son gets sunburn

A Kentucky man has been charged with criminal child abuse after he allegedly let his 2-year-old play outside for 90 minutes with no apparent protection from the sun.

Authorities say Bobby J. Jones, 27, was watching his son play for about 90 minutes in 95-degree heat without a shirt or sunscreen.

The child was diagnosed with second-degree burns and golf-ball size blisters on his shoulders after his mom picked him up and took him to a hospital for medical attention. He was also burned on his face, chest, back and stomach, police say.

Family members say the father just didn’t realize the child was getting sunburned.
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Yeah, they're really trained and do a great job in the field.
 
Denny, by the way, since you're so good at google.... Google some articles related to child welfare (or services) and "ignored" or "warning signs" or something a long those lines. They catch a lot of heat for not investigating complaints from friends, family members, etc. From the couple of articles I've read from papers in various US metro areas, it's clear that a significant portion of children that have died from neglect, abuse, etc.... many had complaints against them that were never thoroughly investigated, if at all.
 
Denny Crane said:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_momsatwork/2008/06/father-charged.html



Yeah, they're really trained and do a great job in the field.
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This is a bit different than the current story. I find it hard to believe the dad was watching him and didn't notice something was amiss.

That's not to say he allowed it to happen - I'd argue there's no way he was really watching his child. Or he was setup by his (ex??) wife (the way the story reads, it sounds like she might be an ex but the link to more of the article doesn't work).
 
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BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Denny, by the way, since you're so good at google.... Google some articles related to child welfare (or services) and "ignored" or "warning signs" or something a long those lines. They catch a lot of heat for not investigating complaints from friends, family members, etc. From the couple of articles I've read from papers in various US metro areas, it's clear that a significant portion of children that have died from neglect, abuse, etc.... many had complaints against them that were never thoroughly investigated, if at all.
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Did I not suggest that if they get repeated calls they should investigate? (first call, not substantiated).
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
This is a bit different than the current story. I find it hard to believe the dad was watching him and didn't notice something was amiss.
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I don't judge how other people raise their kids. I may not raise mine the same way, but they might be raising the next Einstein.
 
Denny Crane said:
I don't judge how other people raise their kids. I may not raise mine the same way, but they might be raising the next Einstein.
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It seems like in your link, the mom probably filed a complaint against the dad for the abuse. Don't see the correlation between that link(love your links, by the way!!), and this current story.
 
Denny Crane said:
I don't judge how other people raise their kids. I may not raise mine the same way, but they might be raising the next Einstein.
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I understand and agree. But clearly, this dad is not the brightest bulb in the box. Letting his child run around shirtless with no sun block or t-shirt in 95-degree weather? Clearly, the fact this man was able to have kids was a crime against humanity.
 
When I was 8, the treehouse that we boys built out of materials that housebuilders left lying around was 50 feet up there. By the time I was 9 we had 3 of them at different heights. My grandmother visited and was surprised how high I was.

I bicycled far away, explored the woods, got lost sometimes for an hour and figured out the way back, got my legs stuck in mud and couldn't get out, etc.

When my son was that age, I would have him play at a playground a block from where I lived after school for an hour. This is a quiet residential neighborhood, not a big urban environment. One day a very young CPS woman with a foreign accent because no one wants the repulsive job, phoned me, saying there had been a citizen report. I was so surprised that I agreed to never have him play there alone again.

1) What difference does it make if he's alone or if there's another kid there?

2) Since kids aren't supposed to play at playgrounds nowadays, why doesn't the City surround any new playground it builds with a barbed wire fence and a sign: "Playground. No playing. Or we will steal your kid and you'll spend $10,000 for a lawyer and after interrogating your coworkers and relatives, if we can find anything about you like drug use, you'll never see them again."
 
RR7 said:
It seems like in your link, the mom probably filed a complaint against the dad for the abuse. Don't see the correlation between that link(love your links, by the way!!), and this current story.
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The govt. nannies abusing their authority. Get it?
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I understand and agree. But clearly, this dad is not the brightest bulb in the box. Letting his child run around shirtless with no sun block or t-shirt in 95-degree weather? Clearly, the fact this man was able to have kids was a crime against humanity.
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The kid didn't feel he was getting burned and complain?

I seriously doubt the guy wanted his kid to be sunburned or was negligent in any way.

But trained experts decided he was.

Ridiculous.
 
Was it CPS that was called in that one?
 
Denny Crane said:
The kid didn't feel he was getting burned and complain?

I seriously doubt the guy wanted his kid to be sunburned or was negligent in any way.

But trained experts decided he was.

Ridiculous.
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It was a 2 year old. Are you for real?
 
Denny Crane said:
The kid didn't feel he was getting burned and complain?

I seriously doubt the guy wanted his kid to be sunburned or was negligent in any way.

But trained experts decided he was.

Ridiculous.
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Denny, really? I mean, really? You expect a 2-year old to figure out when he/she is sun burnt? Really? If you truly believe that, I will no longer post here.

As I suggested, I'm sure the (ex) wife raised a big stink about it. But how about a little common sense? I mean, really. I mean, who doesn't know that's far too long for his kid to be out in the son unprotected? I don't think the guy should get into any trouble, but the dad is clearly a moron and a bit ignorant/irresponsible. Simple as that.
 
So what does Sean Moore sue for, exactly? To bring it back to the horrible injustice done to not only this man, but to the 2nd Amendment, Amurrica, and freedom for all mankind.
 
jlprk said:
When I was 8, the treehouse that we boys built out of materials that housebuilders left lying around was 50 feet up there. By the time I was 9 we had 3 of them at different heights. My grandmother visited and was surprised how high I was.

I bicycled far away, explored the woods, got lost sometimes for an hour and figured out the way back, got my legs stuck in mud and couldn't get out, etc.

When my son was that age, I would have him play at a playground a block from where I lived after school for an hour. This is a quiet residential neighborhood, not a big urban environment. One day a very young CPS woman with a foreign accent because no one wants the repulsive job, phoned me, saying there had been a citizen report. I was so surprised that I agreed to never have him play there alone again.

1) What difference does it make if he's alone or if there's another kid there?

2) Since kids aren't supposed to play at playgrounds nowadays, why doesn't the City surround any new playground it builds with a barbed wire fence and a sign: "Playground. No playing. Or we will steal your kid and you'll spend $10,000 for a lawyer and after interrogating your coworkers and relatives, if we can find anything about you like drug use, you'll never see them again."
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I forgot to add that she called me a couple of days after--when I routinely picked up my son at school, a teacher (not his teacher) was staring at me. Yes, the taxpayers paid for CPS to go to my son's school, interrogate him and his teacher, do a bunch of paperwork, then phone me and get a promise that I wouldn't have him play alone at the City playground again.

Stuff like this can then be used in a divorce (fortunately, mine had just finished up--it takes months) or anything else against you (my brother did so in a deposition when we disputed our inheritance after our parents died). You might think it's trivial but it can snowball.
 
RR7 said:
So what does Sean Moore sue for, exactly? To bring it back to the horrible injustice done to not only this man, but to the 2nd Amendment, Amurrica, and freedom for all mankind.
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Harassment.
 
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