Cho the new Frontrunner?

[Ed O]

We're still looking at hiring someone with LESS experience than the guy we just fired at perhaps the most important point in the franchises history.

Someone who's never made a major trade or signed a major free agent.

Are you seriously going with "Well you never know!" as a reason to hire a fucking general manager?

Great stuff people.

He's a great candidate; just read this thread (ignoring the race stuff and the general whining from some of you) and you will see evidence of that. Experience matters less when there's an experienced team around him, as there would be in this case.

The "you never know!" is an affirmative defense to the "he's inexperienced" charge. Experience is much less important than capabilities (which can be influenced by experience level, but is not SOLELY reflected by that).

Ed O.

 

[LittleAlex]

I think most folks are more nervous about this hire then most GM hires is that there feels like there is little time to waste.

We don't really want them to bring in someone who will do a poor job for the next 2 or 3 years because that would be a significant portion of the window Portland has right now.

Like it or not, Brandon's career isn't going to a long one due to knee issues.
We don't have any idea whether or not Oden will even have a career to cut short.

I would hate to see that wasted by a guy just learning the ropes.

I guess I am hoping they bring in a dude that pulls off another home run deal, like KP did when he got both Brandon and LA in the draft.
It would be nice if they guy they brought in had actually done a deal like that in the past.
That is one very short list, though.

 

[maxiep]

We're still looking at hiring someone with LESS experience than the guy we just fired at perhaps the most important point in the franchises history.

Someone who's never made a major trade or signed a major free agent.

Are you seriously going with "Well you never know!" as a reason to hire a fucking general manager?

Great stuff people.

To be fair, Cho has vastly more experience than did KP when he was hired as our GM.

I didn't like the KP firing either, but I'd rather have Cho than Kiki, Pfund, Ferry and the other former GM they're interviewing next (blech).

 

[Idog1976]

Rondo was not a rookie in the Celtics championship year, FWIW.

man I don't know shit about basketball and/or have the memory of a sieve.

By the way as to what your post is worth, I'd say its billable at about $85 an hour with the sports (fan) psychologist I've been seeing ever since I started following Oden's basketball career. Not close enough to you know, like assemble facts or reasoned argument about the sport whatsoever. Just close enough to do irreparable emotional damage.

 

[Idog1976]

I think most folks are more nervous about this hire then most GM hires is that there feels like there is little time to waste.

We don't really want them to bring in someone who will do a poor job for the next 2 or 3 years because that would be a significant portion of the window Portland has right now.

Like it or not, Brandon's career isn't going to a long one due to knee issues.
We don't have any idea whether or not Oden will even have a career to cut short.

I would hate to see that wasted by a guy just learning the ropes.

I guess I am hoping they bring in a dude that pulls off another home run deal, like KP did when he got both Brandon and LA in the draft.
It would be nice if they guy they brought in had actually done a deal like that in the past.
That is one very short list, though.

Wow, and I thought andalusian's post was depressing. Someone get me some Xanax STAT!

 

[andalusian]

By the way as to what your post is worth, I'd say its billable at about $85 an hour with my sports (fan) psychologist I've been seeing ever since I started following Oden's basketball career. Not close enough to you know, like assemble facts or reasoned argument about the sport whatsoever. Just close enough to do irreparable emotional damage.

That's some funny shit right there sir, Wrapped, soon!

 

[BGrantFan]

El Presidente is Asian himself, isn't he? I found his self-deprecating humor quite funny. Meanwhile, you're throwing out "wetback" blasts for some reason.

 

[OddEnormous]

It's not about who they've signed, but rather using their cap space to facilitate trades to acquire draft picks. Kurt Thomas was a great move for them. It's just been really smart planning.

You've just told me exactly what I don't want to hear. We don't need more draft picks. We need to finish this team off for a 4 to 5 year run.

 

[Idog1976]

That's some funny shit right there sir, Wrapped, soon!

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Wrapped what does that mean?

 

[OddEnormous]

To be fair, Cho has vastly more experience than did KP when he was hired as our GM.

I don't care.* He has less experienced than KP now.

This team should not be going backwards experience wise.



*And I don't agree.

 

[oldmangrouch]

To be fair, Cho has vastly more experience than did KP when he was hired as our GM.

I didn't like the KP firing either, but I'd rather have Cho than Kiki, Pfund, Ferry and the other former GM they're interviewing next (blech).

Ah, somebody gets it.

Arguing KP vs Cho (or any other candidate) is just mental masturbation. At this point, the relevant question is how Cho stacks up against the other candidates. Do you want proven medicocrity, or do you want to take a chance on somebody who might actually be good?

 

[OddEnormous]

general whining from some of you

 

[Idog1976]

El Presidente is Asian himself, isn't he? I found his self-deprecating humor quite funny. Meanwhile, you're throwing out "wetback" blasts for some reason.

Uh, do you have anything to back that up? Came off as a racist rant to me. Hence my reply. He also went off on women and so forth and so on.

 

[Ed O]

El Presidente is Asian himself, isn't he? I found his self-deprecating humor quite funny. Meanwhile, you're throwing out "wetback" blasts for some reason.

He is, yes. People overreacting to a perceived racist comment by throwing out racist comments that were NOT made ... not very wise.

Ed O.

 

[Idog1976]

Ah, somebody gets it.

Arguing KP vs Cho (or any other candidate) is just mental masturbation. At this point, the relevant question is how Cho stacks up against the other candidates. Do you want proven medicocrity, or do you want to take a chance on somebody who might actually be good?

That's been my point all along.

 

[Idog1976]

He is, yes. People overreacting to a perceived racist comment by throwing out racist comments that were NOT made ... not very wise.

Ed O.

Well epic fail on my part. I will delete the offending posts. He went off about black people in the OT forum that's what lead me astray. Again my EXTREME bad.

 

[BGrantFan]

Uh, do you have anything to back that up? Came off as a racist rant to me. Hence my reply. He also went off on women and so forth and so on.

The pictures he's posted of himself, and him saying that he's Asian in the past.

On a consistent note, are you a "wetback", fams? That's a dirtly little slur you used there.

 

[Ed O]

Uh, do you have anything to back that up? Came off as a racist rant to me. Hence my reply. He also went off on women and so forth and so on.

He is. We have pictures from events. I follow him on Twitter. Etc.

And he made a pretty legit point when he brought up the question about what if Cho were a woman... I would like to think that it wouldn't influence MY opinion of the candidate, but I think that it might, in all honesty.

I'm not sure that gender differences reservations transfer over to race differences (as a matter of fact, I don't think that they do) but it's a question worth asking and not merely a slam on women.

Ed O.

 

[OddEnormous]

Not that anyone cares but I couldn't care less if our new hire was a bi sexual tranny of multiple origins. I can't for the life of me understand what the outside package (or lack there of ) has to do with anything.

Insane.

 

[Idog1976]

He is. We have pictures from events. I follow him on Twitter. Etc.

And he made a pretty legit point when he brought up the question about what if Cho were a woman... I would like to think that it wouldn't influence MY opinion of the candidate, but I think that it might, in all honesty.

I'm not sure that gender differences reservations transfer over to race differences (as a matter of fact, I don't think that they do) but it's a question worth asking and not merely a slam on women.

Ed O.

Disagree with you here, but I made a big mistake and apologize to all.

I don't get writing racist stuff about your own race. Never have, never will apologize for being a complete tool in that part of the thread and deleted all the posts related to taht.

 

[Idog1976]

The pictures he's posted of himself, and him saying that he's Asian in the past.

On a consistent note, are you a "wetback", fams? That's a dirtly little slur you used there.

Ride it BGrantFan come out of the shadows when someone fucks up. Yes I'm part hispanic actually my Grandfather is 1/4. And that of course makes me a hypocrite too. I wrote it in anger based on what I saw as a bunch of racism. Before you ask I'm part black as well. Have to go back a few generations on both but its there and I've been aware of it for years. Anyways I've said my apologies I'm done now.

 

[maxiep]

You've just told me exactly what I don't want to hear. We don't need more draft picks. We need to finish this team off for a 4 to 5 year run.

And smart cap management will help to get us there. OKC needed draft picks; we need impact players. I'm assuming that Cho is intellectually nimble enough to alter his Thunder strategy.

It's fine to disagree. I really dig the guy; I understand why others are uncertain.

 

[OddEnormous]

It's fine to disagree. I really dig the guy; I understand why others are uncertain.

Werd.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Okay, you're turn, direct me to your rock solid evidence as to why you think he's not worthy. I'm looking forward to this.

What kind of "rock solid evidence" could I have?

You essentially provided nothing other than he assisted and helped out with the contracts of 4th tier NBA players and is a "good people person". Wait, he also designed some mysterious scouting methodology that we've never heard of.

I'm sure that's good enough to manage one of the most promising teams in the NBA that is seeking to get to the NBA finals in the next 2 seasons.

Smarter people are in charge? Yeah, I'm not the one who fired Pritchard without a replacement in mind.

 

[maxiep]

At this point, the relevant question is how Cho stacks up against the other candidates. Do you want proven medicocrity, or do you want to take a chance on somebody who might actually be good?

Thanks for framing it the right way. That's exactly it for me, but I was unable to put it into words. When I view the other candidates (and especially the candidate we're interviewing next), I'm overwhelmed by indifference.

Repped.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The thing with Cho is he's likely to favor statistical analysis over basketball common sense. What works in a video game versus what works out in real life. If that's the kind of franchise you envision, where parts can be interchanged due to trends in their performance numbers instead of having a master plan/vision...so be it. I don't think its a way to build a team.

 

[maxiep]

The thing with Cho is he's likely to favor statistical analysis over basketball common sense. What works in a video game versus what works out in real life. If that's the kind of franchise you envision, where parts can be interchanged due to trends in their performance numbers instead of having a master plan/vision...so be it. I don't think its a way to build a team.

Are we certain of that conclusion? What data do you have to back up that assertion?

 

[B-Roy]

Are we certain of that conclusion? What data do you have to back up that assertion?

None, but he has his own intuition, which is right 100% of the time, I think.

 

[Minstrel]

None, but he has his own intuition, which is right 100% of the time, I think.

IMAGINARY BASKETBALL COMMON SENSE

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

To be fair, Cho has vastly more experience than did KP when he was hired as our GM.
.

Well, when KP took over, our franchise was a fucking mess and he had the ability to make risky moves. We're a team on the edge, do we really want to hire a guy this unproven?