Cho the new Frontrunner?

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Are we certain of that conclusion? What data do you have to back up that assertion?

He's a big proponent of statistical analysis, cap numbers and the collective bargaining agreement. Great. What about actual basketball. Just because he "lives and breathes" basketball, doesn't tell us anything.

 

[Ed O]

He's a big proponent of statistical analysis, cap numbers and the collective bargaining agreement. Great. What about actual basketball. Just because he "lives and breathes" basketball, doesn't tell us anything.

Why do you assume he doesn't know actual basketball, too? Is there any evidence of that?

Ed O.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Why do you assume he doesn't know actual basketball, too? Is there any evidence of that?

Ed O.

Maybe he does. I just don't want to be the franchise that has to find out.

 

[Ed O]

Maybe he does. I just don't want to be the franchise that has to find out.

Just because YOU (and I) don't know doesn't mean that NO ONE knows.

Ed O.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

remember, David Khan was once "that guy". Young, brash exiciting GM....made some trades to make a splash and stacked up draft picks. I'm afraid we'll be in the same boat. I am just generally leery of "capologist" types. I had the same worries about Tom Penn, cap genius.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4193432

Kahn worked for the Pacers front office for nearly nine years. He was mostly on the business side, but he played a big role in helping the franchise move to Conseco Fieldhouse in 1999. He served on the NBA's competition committee and was considered an expert in the collective bargaining agreement.

see how that works out....

 

[andalusian]

Wrapped what does that mean?

Repped, only more fun.

 

[B-Roy]

remember, David Khan was once "that guy". Young, brash exiciting GM....made some trades to make a splash and stacked up draft picks. I'm afraid we'll be in the same boat. I am just generally leery of "capologist" types. I had the same worries about Tom Penn, cap genius.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4193432



see how that works out....

Right, because Kahn and Cho are both salary cap experts, that means they are both likely to make terrible GM's.

I see how your logic works. Fantastic.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Right, because Kahn and Cho are both salary cap experts, that means they are both likely to make terrible GM's.

I see how your logic works. Fantastic.

I'm just not a fan of "numbers" guys. At least Kahn actually had some head leadership experience.

 

[MickZagger]

remember, David Khan was once "that guy". Young, brash exiciting GM....made some trades to make a splash and stacked up draft picks. I'm afraid we'll be in the same boat. I am just generally leery of "capologist" types. I had the same worries about Tom Penn, cap genius.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4193432



see how that works out....

Perhaps he's the best of both worlds? A capologist with a great basketball mind. He's highly regarded by front office types around the league for a reason, something I'm not sure Kahn ever was.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Perhaps he's the best of both worlds? A capologist with a great basketball mind. He's highly regarded by front office types around the league for a reason, something I'm not sure Kahn ever was.

I'm more a fan of having the numbers guys be PART of the organization like a scout or a consultant, not the head of the organization.

we don't have any indication that Cho is ready for any of it all.

 

[OddEnormous]

Right, because Kahn and Cho are both salary cap experts, that means they are both likely to make terrible GM's.

I see how your logic works. Fantastic.

Yours truly,

Kevin Pritchards experience before he was hired, Rajon Rondo and "You never know"

 

[andalusian]

I'm more a fan of having the numbers guys be PART of the organization like a scout or a consultant, not the head of the organization.

He is not the head of the organization. That would be Larry Miller.

we don't have any indication that Cho is ready for any of it all.

At least we know that the thunder's cap space was not all that imaginary...

 

[OddEnormous]

I'm more a fan of having the numbers guys be PART of the organization, not the head of the organization. Just seems weird, like having an accountant become the CEO of a major corporation.

Agreed

As far as I'm concerned, all these young, up and coming capologist, statmaster lawyer, cba number crunchers are nothing more than a maybe. None of them have actually done anything other than make winning 50 games the norm and I'll allow KP to be thrown in that mix if any of you like.

The obsession with cap space in this NBA era is fucking weird. Am I actually supposed to buzz of this guy having cap space? Not winning anything... but "he clears cap space"

Yes, I'm fucking buzzing

 

[LittleAlex]

Doesn't this thread remind anyone else of all of the arguements for Sergio getting more playing time?

Just replace GM with Point Guard.

He just needs to be given a chance to lead the team/front office.


There just seems to be this mystique around guys who we know almost nothing about.

Armon Johnson is my canidate for this position on the team next season.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

He is not the head of the organization. That would be Larry Miller.

scary. but head of all player and roster decisions.

 

[maxiep]

Well, when KP took over, our franchise was a fucking mess and he had the ability to make risky moves. We're a team on the edge, do we really want to hire a guy this unproven?

IMO, it's going to take similarly risky moves to make the next step. A consolidation trade can be ruinious for us if not done properly.

As for being unproven, he's been in senior management in the NBA for 11 years. That's longer than KP, who didn't break into the league until 2003 IIRC. Cho's first NBA experience was in 1995.

I guess the real disconnect is what you believe is the skill set required to be a GM. I think the future is for guys who make decisions on a more scientific level than gut reactions or experience. It hasn't proven itself out yet in the NBA, but it has done pretty well in MLB.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

IMO, it's going to take similarly risky moves to make the next step. A consolidation trade can be ruinious for us if not done properly.

As for being unproven, he's been in senior management in the NBA for 11 years. That's longer than KP, who didn't break into the league until 2003 IIRC. Cho's first NBA experience was in 1995.

I guess the real disconnect is what you believe is the skill set required to be a GM. I think the future is for guys who make decisions on a more scientific level than gut reactions or experience. It hasn't proven itself out yet in the NBA, but it has done pretty well in MLB.

There's a difference between a calculated risk and just throwing all in on an unproven commodity. IMO, the Blazers are close enough to competing for an NBA title in the near future to make gambling on a stat-junkie capologist a losing proposition.

 

[kobeownslebron]

Well hopefully if they hire Cho they can finally get a low post scorer.

 

[maxiep]

There's a difference between a calculated risk and just throwing all in on an unproven commodity. IMO, the Blazers are close enough to competing for an NBA title in the near future to make gambling on a stat-junkie capologist a losing proposition.

I don't understand how someone that has been in an NBA front office for 11 years is an "unproven commodity".

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

He has been an assistant. Who knows the extent of what he has done or his track record.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Just because he's good at helping fill out paperwork doesn't mean hell be a good gm

 

[maxiep]

He has been an assistant. Who knows the extent of what he has done or his track record.

I'm guessing the Blazers do.

You don't like him or trust him. That's fine. I do. I have a different view of what a GM position can look like.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

What's your basis for this trust? U wouldn't trust Larry miller further than I can throw him.

 

[gatorpops]

Just because he's good at helping fill out paperwork doesn't mean hell be a good gm

So he is a rookie! Big deal! Roy was a rookie, as was Lebron, Kobe, Wade, and Outlaw. ???????????

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Re: Re: Cho the new Frontrunner?

So he is a rookie! Big deal! Roy was a rookie, as was Lebron, Kobe, Wade, and Outlaw. ???????????

And rookies are good For rebuilding

 

[maxiep]

What's your basis for this trust? U wouldn't trust Larry miller further than I can throw him.

First, his background. The combination of law, basketball and statistics is compelling.

Second, his experience. He's been an Asst GM for eight years. There haven't been a lot of misses since he started working as an actual talent evaluator.

Third, his new take on dealing with the cap. He's turned cap space into more than highly-paid players. He's turned them into draft picks.

Fourth, his leadership and contribution to culture. There hasn't been a bad word said about him with the Sonics or the Thunder, through three different regimes.

Fifth, I think being a good GM has become a lot more complicated than it used to be. In many ways, I think Daryl Morey and Theo Epstein are the future of GMing. We have good player personnel guys and have retained someone as a consultant to help with trades. The job of a GM is to look at the franchise from 30,000 feet, set the strategy and utilize the people below him to execute it. I think Cho--for all the above reasons--is well suited for the job, and a damn sight better than anyone else we've interviewed or the person we're set to interview.

Who would your choice be and why?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Steve kerr or kiki

 

[the ob]

there are a lot of people who believe cho is a prototype of a GM of the future. actually he reminds me a lot of Prichard, which for those of you who complained about him being fired would be a good thing. Cho has been well spoked about for his knowledge of statistics, the fact that he is a lawyer so he understands the legal aspects of the negotiations and is generally regarded as a good people person. I would be happy with this choice. those of you who miss Prichard should be as well. they seem similar in a lot of ways, except paul allen might actually get along with Cho.

p.s. had I seen maxiep's post I would just have copied that instead. I agree with all those points.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

On phone...will update

 

[maxiep]

Steve kerr or kiki

Okay, then we just completely disagree.