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Just indicated Jeff Pendergraph was going to be traded. Hinted towards the Bulls as part of a Hinrich deal.

I was listening to this at work. Did anyone else catch it?
 
I heard it. He said it was just a rumor, but there could be a deal when the salary cap gets put together on July 8 and Pendergraph could be moved as part of a package. He also said there could be several deals out there that haven't been reported that will be made after July 1.
 
alex42083 said:
I heard it. He said it was just a rumor, but there could be a deal when the salary cap gets put together on July 8 and Pendergraph could be moved as part of a package. He also said there could be several deals out there that haven't been reported that will be made after July 1.
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Heard rumors of Deng being on the market as well.

Deng/Hinrich for Outlaw/Blake/Claver/Pendergraph?
 
alex42083 said:
I heard it. He said it was just a rumor, but there could be a deal when the salary cap gets put together on July 8 and Pendergraph could be moved as part of a package. He also said there could be several deals out there that haven't been reported that will be made after July 1.
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Why after July 1st? Couldn't teams just trade those players now. There are no restrictions right now correct but once we hit July 1st we can agree to trades in principle but they can't be announced until a later date correct. I guess I don't understand how all the other trades such as Shaq to the Cavs were able to be announced yet the Amare to Golden State alleged trade reported by Bucher on ESPN couldn't happen until after the 1st. If the 2 teams agreed, then why couldn't it. Maybe there was base year compensation players involved, I'm not sure.
 
Cake said:
Heard rumors of Deng being on the market as well.

Deng/Hinrich for Outlaw/Blake/Claver/Pendergraph?
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Deng used to excite me but since his injury he has never looked the same. I think there are better options out there and honestly I think I like Batum now more then Deng for his defensive ability. Hinrich though, I'd be down with.
 
Blazer4life said:
Why after July 1st? Couldn't teams just trade those players now. There are no restrictions right now correct but once we hit July 1st we can agree to trades in principle but they can't be announced until a later date correct. I guess I don't understand how all the other trades such as Shaq to the Cavs were able to be announced yet the Amare to Golden State alleged trade reported by Bucher on ESPN couldn't happen until after the 1st. If the 2 teams agreed, then why couldn't it. Maybe there was base year compensation players involved, I'm not sure.
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I think I remember hearing something about trades being possible before the draft, but not possible until July 1st once the draft is over.
 
Blazer4life said:
Why after July 1st? Couldn't teams just trade those players now. There are no restrictions right now correct but once we hit July 1st we can agree to trades in principle but they can't be announced until a later date correct. I guess I don't understand how all the other trades such as Shaq to the Cavs were able to be announced yet the Amare to Golden State alleged trade reported by Bucher on ESPN couldn't happen until after the 1st. If the 2 teams agreed, then why couldn't it. Maybe there was base year compensation players involved, I'm not sure.
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The new cap numbers take affect July 1st probably. That's my only thought. No one really knows what they will be until then. Maybe even July 7th or 8th
 
Blazer4life said:
Why after July 1st? Couldn't teams just trade those players now. There are no restrictions right now correct but once we hit July 1st we can agree to trades in principle but they can't be announced until a later date correct. I guess I don't understand how all the other trades such as Shaq to the Cavs were able to be announced yet the Amare to Golden State alleged trade reported by Bucher on ESPN couldn't happen until after the 1st. If the 2 teams agreed, then why couldn't it. Maybe there was base year compensation players involved, I'm not sure.
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Your guess is as good as mine. I don't know.
 
Blazer4life said:
Why after July 1st? Couldn't teams just trade those players now. There are no restrictions right now correct but once we hit July 1st we can agree to trades in principle but they can't be announced until a later date correct. I guess I don't understand how all the other trades such as Shaq to the Cavs were able to be announced yet the Amare to Golden State alleged trade reported by Bucher on ESPN couldn't happen until after the 1st. If the 2 teams agreed, then why couldn't it. Maybe there was base year compensation players involved, I'm not sure.
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Luol Deng is a BYC player.

We may be waiting because we're not under the cap yet. if it's an unbalanced trade, we would have to wait until the NBA fiscal new year (July 1st) so we could make a deal like, for example...

Blake, Outlaw and Pendergraph/Claver (approx 10 million in salary) for Deng and Hinrich (approx 20 million in salary)

If we're 10 million under the cap, that deal goes through. Right now, it wouldn't.

Or just Hinrich (9.5 million) for Outlaw/Pendergraph (4 million)
 
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Mediocre Man said:
The new cap numbers take affect July 1st probably. That's my only thought. No one really knows what they will be until then. Maybe even July 7th or 8th
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The new cap and player salaries roll over to their 2009-2010 salary on July 1st. So with players who have declining salaries (like Kirk and I believe Blake) it makes them a little easier to trade.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Hmm.... well.... I remember we had to wait for the Bayless trade to be official too, and the James Jones one... didn't we? Those were made during the draft.
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Thats what I don't get, some can be made but not others. Must be because of salaries of the players involved changing to match on such given date. Otherwise i'm confused.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Hmm.... well.... I remember we had to wait for the Bayless trade to be official too, and the James Jones one... didn't we? Those were made during the draft.
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I am pretty sure draft picks can't be moved between the draft and July 1st, but in theory Portland could trade Blake, Outlaw for Hinrich right now
 
Cake said:
Luol Deng is a BYC player.

We may be waiting because we're not under the cap yet. if it's an unbalanced trade, we would have to wait until the NBA fiscal new year (July 1st) so we could make a deal like, for example...

Blake, Outlaw and Pendergraph/Claver (approx 10 million in salary) for Deng and Hinrich (approx 20 million in salary)

If we're 10 million under the cap, that deal goes through. Right now, it wouldn't.

Or just Hinrich (9.5 million) for Outlaw/Pendergraph (4 million)
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Deng, yuck. i hope not. His contract is long and awful for the production that he has put up since his injuries. I hope we are not waiting on making a trade because he is part of it. I would take Batum/Webster rotation any day over Deng and they are both considerably cheaper. There are beeter options out there to upgrade our SF position.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I am pretty sure draft picks can't be moved between the draft and July 1st, but in theory Portland could trade Blake, Outlaw for Hinrich right now
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Well if your right and Monter says Pendegraph is part of a trade for Hinrich then thats why it cant be announce until after the 1st. But wait, those trades can be announced on draft night though right. Thats what we did with Telfair to Boston. So if that was the case why not announce the trade last night?
 
Blazer4life said:
Well if your right and Monter says Pendegraph is part of a trade for Hinrich then thats why it cant be announce until after the 1st. But wait, those trades can be announced on draft night though right. Thats what we did with Telfair to Boston. So if that was the case why not announce the trade last night?
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Maybe it's not finalized yet? Maybe the two teams are talking about other pieces?
 
Blazer4life said:
Deng, yuck. i hope not. His contract is long and awful for the production that he has put up since his injuries. I hope we are not waiting on making a trade because he is part of it. I would take Batum/Webster rotation any day over Deng and they are both considerably cheaper. There are beeter options out there to upgrade our SF position.
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True. Your stats tend to take a hit after a season ending injury.

His real issue was the new system he was playing in under Boylan/Del Negro. He played very well until they started dicking around with his minutes after Skiles got fired. For some of the same reasons, Hinrich's game has fallen off. I think they were both victims of their system and both should flourish in a new setting.

Deng is only 24 years old and has a chance to return to form in a new situation. I think Portland is a perfect situation for him.

His contract is only awful if he keeps getting hurt. When he was one of the best young SFs in the game, under Skiles, he was putting up sick numbers and was worth every penny of his contract. Plus...and I say this a lot but nobody seems to listen...you don't have to pay his contract. Paul Allen does. So what do you care? We're going to be over the cap no matter what. Fuck it...in for a penny in for a pound. We should get the best players we can irrespective of what they get paid.

I dislike Webster. All he does well is shoot. Batum will be excellent...but when? I'd rather have Deng in there as the starter for a couple years and then deal him if need be if Batum really starts to come alive on offense. Either way, Batum will probably get 17-19 minutes a game again this year, just like last year. I just don't see him as being ready to start and log 30 minutes per game.

There are better small forward options? True. Better REALISTIC small forward options. Who? I mean you can't just trade for anybody. Maybe Gerald Wallace? Yeah, I like him a lot...but he gets hurt more than Deng, so the same argument can be used against him as you used against Deng. Turkoglu? I just don't get the fascination with him. He's a solid player, but I don't love his defense. Deng at his peak >>Turkoglu. And while Turkoglu isn't ancient, he is 30. Since I don't think we're going to challenge for a championship for a couple more years, I'm not sure how well he fits into our championship window.

I guess I just like Deng more than any other option.
 
I would love to get Deng. I expect him to bounce back strong this year...

If we got him and Hinrich for Blake/Outlaw/Pendergraph? It'd be a great move.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
I would love to get Deng. I expect him to bounce back strong this year...

If we got him and Hinrich for Blake/Outlaw/Pendergraph? It'd be a great move.
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I feel the same way. Deng is a possible young, impact talent. At this stage in the game, it's not possible to get surefire young, impact talents.
 
I do not like Deng's contract - but for this package - it's a steal.
 
Ed O said:
I would love to get Deng. I expect him to bounce back strong this year...

If we got him and Hinrich for Blake/Outlaw/Pendergraph? It'd be a great move.

Ed O.
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Deng has had other injuries in the past and this article by a writer that covers the Bulls in Chicago is not a ringing endorsement for Deng. I'll pass.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagot...y-forces-the-bulls-to-do-the-right-thing.html

And here is an excerpt:

Luol Deng’s leg injury isn’t as bad as feared, which is good news for Deng, but bad news for people who think Deng is a $71 million marshmallow.

This has nothing to do with how hurt or how injured Deng is. I’m not questioning that. No, this has everything to do with Deng’s mental approach and his physical presence on the court.

Specifically, the lack of both. Or either. Or all of the things that make him a $71 million thief.

Deng moped about money last season. Then he got all the money this season and proceeded to mope about his game with Derrick Rose handling the ball. Fun.

I don’t know if Lu-owwie Deng has become gunshy because of all the injuries, but he ought to spend some of that $71 million on a life coach who will tell him he’s not a spot-up shooter. Run, cut, go hard to the hoop, and Rose will get you the ball -- if you’re worth getting the ball to and if the so-called coach actually leaves the team’s only Franchise Player in the game, that is.
 
Blazer4life said:
Deng has had other injuries in the past and this article by a writer that covers the Bulls in Chicago is not a ringing endorsement for Deng. I'll pass.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagot...y-forces-the-bulls-to-do-the-right-thing.html

And here is an excerpt:

Luol Deng’s leg injury isn’t as bad as feared, which is good news for Deng, but bad news for people who think Deng is a $71 million marshmallow.

This has nothing to do with how hurt or how injured Deng is. I’m not questioning that. No, this has everything to do with Deng’s mental approach and his physical presence on the court.

Specifically, the lack of both. Or either. Or all of the things that make him a $71 million thief.

Deng moped about money last season. Then he got all the money this season and proceeded to mope about his game with Derrick Rose handling the ball. Fun.

I don’t know if Lu-owwie Deng has become gunshy because of all the injuries, but he ought to spend some of that $71 million on a life coach who will tell him he’s not a spot-up shooter. Run, cut, go hard to the hoop, and Rose will get you the ball -- if you’re worth getting the ball to and if the so-called coach actually leaves the team’s only Franchise Player in the game, that is.
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The John Canzano of the Chicago Tribune hates Deng? Nice. I like Deng even more now.
 
Cake said:
The John Canzano of the Chicago Tribune hates Deng? Nice. I like Deng even more now.
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LOL. I liked Deng, a lot prior to all of his injuries but I'm leary of picking up his atrocious contract not knowing if he can stay healthy and contibute at the level he did prior to signing that contract.
 
I don't think that many productive 24 year-old former lottery picks are going to be available without some question marks surrounding them.

Deng has played in over 81% of his team's regular season games since he was drafted. Maybe he's a wimp now, but I think it's probably more likely bad luck on the injury front.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
I don't think that many productive 24 year-old former lottery picks are going to be available without some question marks surrounding them.

Deng has played in over 81% of his team's regular season games since he was drafted. Maybe he's a wimp now, but I think it's probably more likely bad luck on the injury front.

Ed O.
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Channing Frye was also a lottery pick that was extremely productive as a rookie - before his injury. The injury totally changed Channing's game and his productivity has gone down dramatically. I fear Deng my be a similar situation - only with a $71 million contract attached.

The guy quoted above may be a hater, but how would you feel if we were locked into Channing Frye for $71 million?

BNM
 
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