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Oden has not proven to be very good.

He's proven to be great. 23 PER with excellent defense in only his second season...that's phenomenal.

What he hasn't proven is that he can stay healthy. Durability is in doubt, talent isn't.
 
I sort of agree but for CP3 I would give up Batum and Oden. I think we still would be ok at center with Camby/Okafur and with CP3, Roy and LMA we are set. You use a MLE on a SF like Mike Miller and we are contenders. I do worry about Oden turning into this beast center but CP3 is the best PG in the league and maybe best since Magic.
 
Oden has not proven to be very good. He can be and was nice when he played last season. Nothing suggests he is very good, at this point.

You're wrong:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/odengr01.html

23.1 PER best on the TEAM last year until he went down. Defensive rating of 100!! :eek:

He was arguably the best defensive player in the LEAGUE before he went down. He was also arguably the best True Shooting % and Rebounds were right up there.

Fouls and health those are his limits.

There were days where he lead in two to three of the following NBA leader categories:

FG%, Rebounding, Blocked Shots and Drtg.
 
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Oden has not proven to be very good. He can be and was nice when he played last season. Nothing suggests he is very good, at this point.

Huh? Is "at this point" while no games are being played? So yes, no NBA player is very good at playing NBA basketball RIGHT NOW. Also, if he's actually still injured and can't play, then that might be true. Is that what you mean?
 
I just don't know man. Oden's injury last season was a fluke.... but it's still concerning. His knee cap collapsed without contact... that doesn't worry you? We've already passed on Durant for Oden, I don't think I'll make the same mistake when offered the best point guard in the NBA for Oden.

Offer Oden and filler, fuck adding Batum that's too much.

I'd seriously rather trade Roy filler (not LMA, Batum, Oden) then Oden + Batum. Defense takes too big a hit over the next 3 seaons.

Okafor helps and it's ALMOST worth it, but I just can't abide trading our two best defenders arguably in the top 3 defenders at their positions for CP3.

I agree the Oden for Durant thing is FRESH in all our memories but explore other options first. Throw out Oden as an ABSOLUTE last resort.

I would trade him plus filler for CP3, but I wouldn't include another core member like Batum.

My core currently in order of importance to the teamis Roy/Oden/Batum/LMA.

The only two guys I could stomach both trading for Paul are LMA + Batum.

Oden I would trade but only with filler included, same goes for Roy.
 
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Huh? Is "at this point" while no games are being played? So yes, no NBA player is very good at playing NBA basketball RIGHT NOW. Also, if he's actually still injured and can't play, then that might be true. Is that what you mean?

Way to be. Perhaps you should look back to last season and not to "now," obviously.

Oden is great on defense, I would agree with those who say that. His offense is still a work in progress. It just amazes me that people will not trade for proven talent? Of course I try and trade Aldridge first, but it ain't happening. Oden and Batum have potential, but I will take a top 5 player over potential. Jeez
 
That's bullshit. Jason Kidd was better (did you see the Nets teams he dragged to the Finals? TWICE?), Gary Payton was better (defense is always underrated) and Steve Nash has had a bigger impact. And Penny Hardaway was a PG when he was All-NBA pre-injuries. Paul is good, no question. He may even be Isiah Thomas good. MAY. But then again, there are those who already think Deron Williams is better and Rajon Rondo is coming up fast.

I don't agree that any of those players were actually even close to Paul. Kidd was a great point guard. I think Payton was even better than Kidd and a top-five point guard of all-time. Nash was very good but tremendously overrated...you say defense is underrated when talking about Payton and then venerate Nash, who's defense was abysmal. Defense is underrated and while Nash was flashy, he was neither transcendent offensively nor even slightly valuable on defense.

Paul, until last year when he struggled with injuries, was putting up historically good production. He was right behind LeBron James in PER. Paul's no defensive whiz like Payton or Kidd, but he's solid. Deron Williams has almost never been anywhere close to Paul. He's constantly compared to Paul because they were drafted together and people love to act as though that makes players rivals. Carmelo Anthony was compared to James for several years, despite clearly being worse, until it just became too silly to continue. I think Deron Williams is around Roy's caliber and Paul is around Wade's value. There's a clear and significant difference.

The only point guards in history I'd prefer over Paul are Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson.
 
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That's bullshit. Jason Kidd was better (did you see the Nets teams he dragged to the Finals? TWICE?), Gary Payton was better (defense is always underrated) and Steve Nash has had a bigger impact. And Penny Hardaway was a PG when he was All-NBA pre-injuries. Paul is good, no question. He may even be Isiah Thomas good. MAY. But then again, there are those who already think Deron Williams is better and Rajon Rondo is coming up fast.

Jason Kidd was 28/29 when he took the Nets to the finals--Paul is just barely 25. In his best year, Kidd never averaged 11apg--Paul has done it twice already. Kidd's career best PER is 22.5. Paul's career average PER is 25.6, with a high of 30.0 last year. Payton was a great defender, but...um, so is Paul--2 all defensive teams in 5 years, and Paul is a vastly superior player to Payton offensively, primarily due to Payton's suspect (to put it kindly) outside shot. And you can't bring up defense with Payton yet conveniently ignore it with Nash.

Paul the best since Magic--yeah, I think that's easily defensible.
 
Chris Paul holds no leverage in these talks. Not sure why you keep on rehashing that article and quote.



I don't think the whole "don't trade a big for a small" adage holds much credence these days. It's always the best players that win the title.


I think finding a defensive center in the mold of Kendrick Perkins is much easier than finding a once-in-a-decade type PG like Paul. Hell, Okafor fits the bill.

You maybe right, but trading Aldridge is not an option. Hornets do not want the contract or the horrible fit next to West. So it is either Oden and Batum or nothing. At this point, I go with a top 5 PG...
 
Those who say Deron and Rondo are close to Paul are fooling themselves. We're talking about a guy with a career 26 PER vs. Deron's 21, and Rondo's 17. You don't ever see a guy cross 25.
 
Okay, so what if we make that trade AND then turn around and deal Aldridge for Amare?

Paul
Roy
Babbitt
Amare
Okafor

Would adding Amare fix your fears? I think a Paul/Roy/Amare trio is unstoppable. Just my opinion.
 
I don't agree that any of those players were actually even close to Paul. Kidd was a great point guard. I think Payton was even better than Kidd and a top-five point guard of all-time. Nash was very good but tremendously overrated...you say defense is underrated when talking about Payton and then venerate Nash, who's defense was abysmal. Defense is underrated and while Nash was flashy, he was neither transcendent offensively nor even slightly valuable on defense.

Paul, until last year when he struggled with injuries, was putting up historically good production. He was right behind LeBron James in PER. Paul's no defensive whiz like Payton or Kidd, but he's solid. Deron Williams has almost never been anywhere close to Paul. He's constantly compared to Paul because they were drafted together and people love to act as though that makes players rivals. Carmelo Anthony was compared to James for several years, despite clearly being worse, until it just became too silly to continue. I think Deron Williams is around Roy's caliber and Paul is around Wade's value. There's a clear and significant difference.

The only point guards in history I'd prefer over Paul are Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson.

Argh, I know you and PtldPlatypus are right and I think that my final offer would have to be Oden and Batum for Paul. I would have to take several shots of Tequilla to dull the pain, but two of the top then players in the league for our back court? You still keep LMA and likely balloon his production? I think it's gotta be on the table and being kicked around.

Still rather do LMA + Batum maybe adding a third team to get it done.
 
I just don't think it would efficiently maximize both Roy and Paul. I mean, I love the idea of Roy and Paul (best backcourt in NBA history)...but IF it came down to Roy for Paul or Oden/Batum for Paul (forgetting filler), I'd rather trade Roy. Both Roy and Paul are best with the ball in their hand. With Paul, Roy would have to play off the ball most of the time. I'm sure he can and I'm sure he'd still be good...but AS good? No, I don't think so.

Whereas, Paul would maximize Oden's and Batum's value. Oden and Batum would allow Paul to maximize his own value.

I love Roy, but Paul/Batum/Oden has better synergy than Paul/Roy. IMO.

You might be right but if we want CP3 NO wouldn't want to trade for Roy and not even sure Oden Batum is enough but there is a chance. I still think CP3 and Roy could play together very well. They would each have the ball some of the time depending on the situation.
 
Argh, I know you and PtldPlatypus are right and I think that my final offer would have to be Oden and Batum for Paul. I would have to take several shots of Tequilla to dull the pain, but two of the top then players in the league for our back court? You still keep LMA and likely balloon his production? I think it's gotta be on the table and being kicked around.

Still rather do LMA + Batum maybe adding a third team to get it done.

Wouldn't the third team want Paul? I don't think any deal for Paul would involve a third team.
 
Not if people are concerned about losing an inside presence. I think it balances our team a bit.

Stoudemire is not much of an inside presence. Defensively, he's invisible and on offense, his game consists of face-up jumpers and driving to the basket. Not that that disqualifies him from being very valuable offensively, but it doesn't provide an inside presence anymore than Aldridge does. In fact, I'd say Aldridge offers more inside presence on defense.
 
Stoudemire is not much of an inside presence. Defensively, he's invisible and on offense, his game consists of face-up jumpers and driving to the basket. Not that that disqualifies him from being very valuable offensively, but it doesn't provide an inside presence anymore than Aldridge does. In fact, I'd say Aldridge offers more inside presence on defense.

I don't know... it just seems like Amare plays in the post more than LMA. You don't think he puts more pressure on the opposing team than Aldridge?
 
You might be right but if we want CP3 NO wouldn't want to trade for Roy and not even sure Oden Batum is enough but there is a chance. I still think CP3 and Roy could play together very well. They would each have the ball some of the time depending on the situation.

Agreed. We know Roy's deadly when he's not double teamed. CP3 would take away a lot of that pressure away from him. Something Aldridge and Oden couldn't do.
 
I don't know... it just seems like Amare plays in the post more than LMA. You don't think he puts more pressure on the opposing team than Aldridge?

He does, but not as a post or "inside" presence, in my opinion. He puts pressure on defenses the way an Andre Miller or Dwyane Wade do...shooting mid-range jumpers and then going past his defender, attacking the hoop. I don't really think he has much back-to-the-basket game.
 
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Let's go back and read the reason for not executing the deal: Shinn wasn't ready to move Paul. It would be equivalent to us moving Roy. It takes time to settle in. It doesn't mean the deal is dead, it means it's delayed.

They essentially agreed on the terms.
 
Let's go back and read the reason for not executing the deal: Shinn wasn't ready to move Paul. It would be equivalent to us moving Roy. It takes time to settle in. It doesn't mean the deal is dead, it means it's delayed.

They essentially agreed on the terms.

I think you are reading far to much into it. I don't think they necessarily agreed in terms and I still think someone like Oden would have to be sent out. I agree it sounds as if it is delayed and not totally off and that we are close, but I think have to offer one last piece mainly because Paul and Okafor for Miller, Pryzbilla, Bayless, and Batum does not work salary wise. The only thing to speed this up or for it to even have another possible shot is Paul demanding for a trade.
 
Let's go back and read the reason for not executing the deal: Shinn wasn't ready to move Paul. It would be equivalent to us moving Roy. It takes time to settle in. It doesn't mean the deal is dead, it means it's delayed.

They essentially agreed on the terms.

Please god let Maxiep's interpretation be right. No really, would mean a lot to a lot of people and besides the people of NOH have nothing to live for anymore, it's really just a mercy killing anyways. Please! PLEASE!
 
I think you are reading far to much into it. I don't think they necessarily agreed in terms and I still think someone like Oden would have to be sent out. I agree it sounds as if it is delayed and not totally off and that we are close, but I think have to offer one last piece mainly because Paul and Okafor for Miller, Pryzbilla, Bayless, and Batum does not work salary wise. The only thing to speed this up or for it to even have another possible shot is Paul demanding for a trade.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5317801

Updated: June 24, 2010, 1:18 AM ET
Paul open to trade from Hornets


By Chris Broussard
ESPN The Magazine
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With trade speculation swirling around him, Chris Paul said Wednesday that he's open to a trade if the New Orleans Hornets aren't committed to winning championships.

"My first choice is to be in New Orleans,'' Paul said in a telephone interview from London. "I just want to make sure we're committed to winning. If we're not committed to winning and trying to get better so we can contend with the Lakers, the Celtics and all these other top teams, then I'm open to being traded.''

Interesting that he went from not wanting a trade to stating this right around the time we were pushing for that trade sans LMA/Roy/Oden...
 
Please god let Maxiep's interpretation be right. No really, would mean a lot to a lot of people and besides the people of NOH have nothing to live for anymore, it's really just a mercy killing anyways. Please! PLEASE!

I like the emotion you bring to this forum. You give Blazers discussions the tragic appeal of a life or death struggle between good and evil. Especially when discussing Bron/Wade/Bosh to Chicago.
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5317801



Interesting that he went from not wanting a trade to stating this right around the time we were pushing for that trade sans LMA/Roy/Oden...

Interesting. Still the proposed failed deal does not work. You have to include Oden or someone.

Edit: Besides, he didn't come out demanding. Just is open to it currently. He will have a better idea later on where the franchise is heading.
 
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