Notice LONGTIME NBA ANALYST (MARK STEIN) PREDICTS BLAZERS WILL TRADE MCCOLLUM

[Boob-No-More]

The question remains.....does trading CJ for a SF like Wiggins

No.

or Butler make us better

Yes.

One of these things is not like the other. Butler is a lock down defender who can replace C.J.'s scoring. Wiggins is an inefficient chucker who doesn't do anything else. Wiggins is a worse version of C.J. Wiggins only advantages are his height and his age. He doesn't take advantage of either. He has a higher USG% and gets half the assists C.J. does. Posters complain about all the C.J. isos, Wiggins is twice as bad in this respect. C.J. for Wiggins wouldn't even be a lateral, it would be a downgrade.

Butler, I'd take in a heartbeat. Wiggins, I'd only consider if one of Trent Jr, or Simons look like they are unexpectedly and remarkably ready to be a starting SG in the NBA. It wouldn't make Wiggins any better, it would just make C.J. more expendable.

BNM

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

Isn't Wiggins better than our current SF's Harkless, Turner, Aminu, or Layman?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Isn't Wiggins better than our current SF's Harkless, Turner, Aminu, or Layman?

Probably but he’s much worse than CJ.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Isn't Wiggins better than our current SF's Harkless, Turner, Aminu, or Layman?

In what way is Wiggins better than Harkless?



Wiggins is more aggressive offensively, has a lower TO%, and commits fewer fouls. They're pretty even in reb/ast. Aside from that, Harkless is actually superior pretty much across the board.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Isn't Wiggins better than our current SF's Harkless, Turner, Aminu, or Layman?

Wiggins has had a negative VORP* every year of his NBA career, including 2016-17 when he averaged 23.6 ppg. Do you know how bad you have to suck at everything else to score 23.6 ppg, yet still be worse than a min contract"replacement player"? REALLY bad.

*Value over Replacement Player (VORP) converts the BPM rate into an estimate of each player's overall contribution to the team, measured vs. what a theoretical "replacement player" would provide, where the "replacement player" is defined as a player on minimum salary or not a normal member of a team's rotation.

BNM

 

[BlazerWookee]

Would you do a CJ for Blake Griffin trade?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m6s9eoo

FUCK no.

 

[CupWizier]

In what way is Wiggins better than Harkless?

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Wiggins is more aggressive offensively, has a lower TO%, and commits fewer fouls. They're pretty even in reb/ast. Aside from that, Harkless is actually superior pretty much across the board.

That's just it. CJ and Harkless are better duo than a duo of Wiggens and Harkless and it wouldn't be close.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Agreed. OPJ would be a perfect add to this roster.

STOMP

Washington already has Bradley Beil.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Any interest in a package deal that would send CJ to the Magic for Evan Fournier or Aaron Gordon trade?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Any interest in a package deal that would send CJ to the Magic for Evan Fournier or Aaron Gordon trade?

Gordon's not acquirable since he just re-signed, but no, not really. Definitely not for Fournier; he's even worse defensively than CJ.

 

[TBpup]

Gordon's not acquirable since he just re-signed, but no, not really. Definitely not for Fournier; he's even worse defensively than CJ.

That's quite an accomplishment.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

That's quite an accomplishment.

It is. Still, that's not to say that I wouldn't want Fournier on the team. He'd be perfect in Turner's role, coming off the bench behind CJ and Harkless. If we could trade Turner and a first for Fournier, I'd be all over that. But I don't think even Orlando is that stupid.

 

[TBpup]

It is. Still, that's not to say that I wouldn't want Fournier on the team. He'd be perfect in Turner's role, coming off the bench behind CJ and Harkless. If we could trade Turner and a first for Fournier, I'd be all over that. But I don't think even Orlando is that stupid.

So Turner and a 1st round pick (Meyers was a 1st round pick) for Fournier. Okay...I'm in.

 

[BonesJones]

So you say a "huge no" to my CJ trade because you don't like the roster two years from now but then propose a trade without top end talent either? Tyreke had a really good year last year but it was only 52 games. Applying the same logic you applied to my trade in two years we could be left with trading CJ for Alize Johnson.

No, it's not the same, because in my trade we get the best player in the deal.

 

[hoopsjock]

No, it's not the same, because in my trade we get the best player in the deal.

I like Tyreke but he is not better than CJ. There is a reason no one has given him a long term contract the last two summers.

 

[BonesJones]

I like Tyreke but he is not better than CJ. There is a reason no one has given him a long term contract the last two summers.

This season it was because nobody had money.

He's a better defender, passer, rebounder, and inside scorer. Last year, he was a better outside scorer as well. Plus, he can play 3 positions effectively.

 

[hoopsjock]

This season it was because nobody had money.

He's a better defender, passer, rebounder, and inside scorer. Last year, he was a better outside scorer as well. Plus, he can play 3 positions effectively.

Why didn't Indy offer him more than a one year deal if he is so good then?

 

[CupWizier]

It is. Still, that's not to say that I wouldn't want Fournier on the team. He'd be perfect in Turner's role, coming off the bench behind CJ and Harkless. If we could trade Turner and a first for Fournier, I'd be all over that. But I don't think even Orlando is that stupid.

Fournier has one more year left at 17mil than Turner and Turner's defense is far better than Fournier. No way I give up a first round pick for him also.

 

[BonesJones]

Why didn't Indy offer him more than a one year deal if he is so good then?

Great question. I think he feels like he's worth more and expects his market next off-season to be more robust. Indiana might want him to prove last year wasn't a little bit of a flume in terms of shooting.

Tot didn't argue any part of my post though. What's CJ better at?

 

[hoopsjock]

Great question. I think he feels like he's worth more and expects his market next off-season to be more robust. Indiana might want him to prove last year wasn't a little bit of a flume in terms of shooting.

Tot didn't argue any part of my post though. What's CJ better at?

CJ's a better scorer and ball handler. CJ had a really bad stretch towards the end of last year that makes his shooting numbers less impressive but I'd take CJ's efficiency over his career over a one year (52 game) sample.

 

[BonesJones]

CJ's a better scorer and ball handler. CJ had a really bad stretch towards the end of last year that makes his shooting numbers less impressive but I'd take CJ's efficiency over his career over a one year (52 game) sample.

Tyreke is just so much better in every other area, and his TS% last year was better than CJs mark for his career. Again, I'm basing Tyreke off last season and he could regress back to the mean. But the Tyreke from last year is a better player than McCollum has been or will ever be.

 

[hoopsjock]

Tyreke is just so much better in every other area, and his TS% last year was better than CJs mark for his career. Again, I'm basing Tyreke off last season and he could regress back to the mean. But the Tyreke from last year is a better player than McCollum has been or will ever be.

I'm not going to dispute that he had a good year statistically but I have to wonder how much of that was playing on a horrible team. Put CJ on last year's Grizzlies team and I think he puts up 25, 5, and 5.

 

[CupWizier]

I'm not going to dispute that he had a good year statistically but I have to wonder how much of that was playing on a horrible team. Put CJ on last year's Grizzlies team and I think he puts up 25, 5, and 5.

and I think that 25ppg might be on the conservative side. People don't seem to understand how prolific a scorer McCollum is.

 

[BonesJones]

I'm not going to dispute that he had a good year statistically but I have to wonder how much of that was playing on a horrible team. Put CJ on last year's Grizzlies team and I think he puts up 25, 5, and 5.

That's an easy excuse... he did all that as the number one option against primarily Western teams. That's impressive, if anything.

 

[BonesJones]

and I think that 25ppg might be on the conservative side. People don't seem to understand how prolific a scorer McCollum is.

You could say that about 20 different players.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

That's an easy excuse... he did all that as the number one option against primarily Western teams. That's impressive, if anything.

Leading a 22 win team is not impressive, it’s just not. Beware the good stats on bad teams. Not that Evans is “bad” but Not impressed at all...

 

[Boob-No-More]

What's CJ better at?

Staying healthy.

Over the last 3 years, Tyreke Evans has missed 30, 42 and 57 games. That's a lot of time in a suit behind the bench. Over those same 3 years C.J. has missed 1, 2 and 2 games. and of the 5 games he missed, 1 was for leaving the bench in a preseason game and one was because Doc Rivers is a dick. He's actually only sat out 3 games in the last 3 years due to injury.

Compare that to the 129 games Tyreke has missed over the same span. I'll take the guy who actually laces up his sneakers and plays every night over the guy who had a great 52-game "season" on the heels of two mediocre "seasons" were he only played 40 and 25 games.

You can't guard 3-positions when you're sitting behind the bench in a suit.

BNM

 

[CupWizier]

You could say that about 20 different players.

You could, but i didn't. Evans also has injury issues and is 3 years older.

 

[hoopsjock]

That's an easy excuse... he did all that as the number one option against primarily Western teams. That's impressive, if anything.

For CJ it's an even smaller sample size than Tyreke had last season but look at the last 3 years in games that Dame didn't play. In 2016-17 it was only 5 games but CJ averaged 31.2 points, 4.2 rebounds, and 4.6 assists per game and his FG shooting was 49.1%. It's hard to know how that would extrapolate to a full season and I'm too lazy to look up the stats for the last year but I'd take that over what Tyreke did last year.

 

[riverman]

Don't know why this thread from Jan was bumped but I'm almost certain CJ will not get traded..last Jan was before the trade deadline...Stein was grasping for click bait at that time..Olshey says Curry will will log time at the guard spots and Stauskas will play some 3..also said he aggressively targeted 5 vet wings and got outbid by all of them..wasn't in the cards...our 7 rotation players from last year will still be rotation players..8 and 9 will be Curry and Stauskas...10 will be a battle for a spot...Layman will have to beat Stauskas for a spot...Trent will have to beat Curry