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"Please do not offer my God a peanut!" [/simpsons]</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I at times think we are pets to some aliens out there, and they're just playing with us. lol</p>

But yea there is no way to know what happend millions or billions of years ago. Maybe we always existed like we are now...who knows.</p>

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There are ways to know as well as you "know" anything.</p>

But the idea that somebody set off the universe is, right now, unknowable. Let's say someone did- they set a few parameters for the laws of physics, ignited a singularity- would that make them god?</p>

I had a weird discussion about this and about free will the other day. He was of the opinion that if the above were the case, if you could make the universe run along a set path, then that eliminates free will. My counter was that at a quantum level everything is probabilistic, so even if someone set the probablilities, they couldn't predict outcomes with certainty, and so you can't set the universe along a path. But his point was that was only as far as our current level of understanding goes.</p>

Free will is strange. It makes no difference, kind of, if it exists or not, as it changes nothing in a practical sense. But he made the very good point that if there is free will, there is still very very little of it. The actions you take and the thoughts you think are largely constrained by your genetics and your environment. I like to cling to that little sliver of free will, though. We have a friend who's a playwright who doesn't believe in it at all, which is bizarre to me.</p>

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I just wrote a paper on that very same topic (centered around Augustine's views). Originally I was going to criticize his compatibilist view of free will, but the more I read about it, the more I began to think the other way. Free will is such a superficial concept, but we defend it so vigorously and place so much importance upon it. It's tempting to believe that if God has foreknowledge of every thing that will happen, that it eliminates free will and any responsibility we have for our actions. But when you think about it, foreknowledge really doesn't compel us to act in a certain way. There are other things in life that we overlook that compel us much more and which could supposedly contradict the commonly accepted conception of free will (ie: our upbringing, genetics, past decisions, etc.). I tend to view free will in a more simple form: namely our ability to think about what decision to make beforehand and reflect on that decision afterwards.</p>
 
I was struggling with that problem too, but I think it comes down to a matter of perspective. We all believe that we can rationalize our various choices before a decision is made. When there's no compulsion, we believe that the choice we make is the one we want to make. After a the decision is made and we deal with its consequences, we can reflect upon it and debate over whether or not we should have acted in that manner. Then in what sense are we affected by the fact that some transcedant being, that we often have no tangible experience with, knew what we were going to do and what would come out of it beforehand? It may all be predestined from the perspective of that God, but not necessarily from ours. None of that really changes the fact that we thought about and chose that decision "freely."

Not sure if that made much sense (probably should've waited until I got my mark before sharing the opinion with others, lol).</p>
 
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I've got a pretty good idea as to how the world was created.</p>

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I believe in the big bang theory. That's just what makes the most sense to me.</p>

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There's a great corallary that goes with that. I was watching a show on discovery times, or one of their sister-science channels, and theres a spreading theory that the universe is oscilating (explains why its currently getting bigger right now). I forget what the belief is on why it does this, maybe it has something to do with energy. Anyway, after it reaches a certain size, it collapses back onto itself untill is uber-dense, and then explodes.</p>

...the big bang.</p>

so yeah it's going to get VERY crowded one of these days. and then you'll die. </p>

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I never understood what people meant by "the universe is getting bigger." Does that there's some sort of barrier that we could crash into?</p>
 
lol, I know, the bing bang theory is an interesting one but I have a problem with it because I don't see how you can have something out of nothing, having an explosion out of nothing and therefore we have the universe, doesn't make sense to me.</p>

Same with religions, I don't believe that "someone" (aka god or whatever) made up everything, and created us, but at the same time I don't believe that we came to existence from nothing, there is no proof of that...</p>

But what do i know...
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Well the whole oscilating universe theory explains that big bang part. The big bang apparently never came out of nothing, but rather every particle of matter was condensed into this small area. Obviously this would contain unthinkable amounts of energy...enough to cause an explosion the size of the universe.</p>
 
But you can have something out of nothing. You can have very energetic particle appear out of nothing for short periods of time. You can even make your own universe out of nothing, according to Brian Greene.</p>

"The question is, why is there something instead of nothing?" -Grant Morrison, Doom Patrol</p>
 
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But you can have something out of nothing. You can have very energetic particle appear out of nothing for short periods of time. You can even make your own universe out of nothing, according to Brian Greene.</p>

"The question is, why is there something instead of nothing?" -Grant Morrison, Doom Patrol</p>

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But what created that nothing, or changed that nothing into a very energetic particle. What created what did that?...</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney)</div><div class='quotemain'>

You're still contradicting yourself. The "millions dollars in my bank account" analogy doesn't work, because you know for sure that its not true. But we're talking about a topic that you yourself admitted is impossible to know for certain. How can you say that and then confidently say something like there's no such thing as God? You're claim has no more evidence than the one's you're criticizing.</p>

</div>Dude, a man who created the earth..... 'nuff said really. My anology does work, If I believe I have a $1 million dollars, but I cant prove it, how is that any different to believing in God? You cant prove God exists, anymore than you can't prove God doesnt exist, but thats just the thing, if there is nothing to prove he exists, then he doesnt exist!Simpleasthatreally. I'm basing my argument offthefactswefacedwhenwewerebornintothisEarth,whichis nothing, which is "we're just on Earth", I'm not trying to provide a reason as to how the Earth was created, or why we are here, that is what Religion is trying to do. Religion is only one persons opinion, the Bible was written during some point in time, and from there the myth began. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney)</div><div class='quotemain'>This doesn't make sense either. IF you're going to consider the existence of a Christian God, then you can't fool around with the definition of it. A Christian God is omnipotent and wouldn't be restrained by natural/scientific laws (eg: gravity, thermodynamics, conservation of energy, etc.). According to Christianity, God created these laws and is above and beyond them. So it really isn't an impossibility that God could've created the universe.</p></div>

Ohplease,thatsthebiggestloadofbullshitI'vereadinmylife.Wherearethesesuperpowerstoday?Howcomenooneelsehasanyoftheseabilities.WhospoketoGodtofindoutthatshowtheworldwascreated,thatheholdsthosepowers?C'mondude,ifyoubelieveastupidstorylikethat,you'reanidiot,plainandsimple.Kid Chocolate, I'm not Agnostic, I'm not Athiest, I'm not anything, I hate all religions and refuse to class myself into one 'group', I think they're all stupid. People need to stop living their lives through some stupid book / myth / practices, and just come to grips with the facts, that you will never know how the world was created, you will never know what happens when we die. Be a good person for yourself,enjoyyourtimeonEarthwhileyouhavethechance,dontletsomestupidbookoftales,mythesandoutlandishtheories run your life for you.</p>
 
You are most definitely agnostic, and if you say you aren't, you obviously don't know what it means.</p>
 
I'm not Agnostic, like I said, I'm nothing. I refuse to class myself into a group. I'm a Human.
 
Then it sounds that you are not Agnostic, or Athiest, but the other 'A': Apathetic. Which is perfectly fine and I don't think anyone should chastise you for being so. On the same token, however, it might not be the best idea to call other people 'idiots'</p>
 
I'm pretty sure I know what I am....</p>

I'm not Agnostic, like I said, I'm not anything. I'm a human being.</p>
 
You obviously don't know what you are or don't know what agnosticism is if you claim you are not. It's not a religion, but a philosophy, which you have already heavily evidenced that you are. You are definitely agnostic.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NTC)</div><div class='quotemain'>Dude, a man who created the earth..... 'nuff said really.

My anology does work, If I believe I have a $1 million dollars, but I cant prove it, how is that any different to believing in God? You cant prove God exists, anymore than you can't prove God doesnt exist, but thats just the thing, if there is nothing to prove he exists, then he doesnt exist! Simple as that really. I'm basing my argument off the facts we faced when we were born into this Earth, which is nothing, which is "we're just on Earth", I'm not trying to provide a reason as to how the Earth was created, or why we are here, that is what Religion is trying to do. Religion is only one persons opinion, the Bible was written during some point in time, and from there the myth began.</div>There's so many things wrong with this, I don't know where to begin.

That first statement really doesn't prove anything (I find arguments that involve "'nuff said" are usually a waste of time), but it also shows another problem I've noticed. You're criticizing religion and the concept of spirituality in general, from a common sensical/scientific viewpoint. That's pointless really, because the whole idea of religion/spirituality deals with a nonmaterial, otherworldly realm (I'm generalizing, but you get the point). It's beyond what we can know and percieve with our senses.

Secondly, your analogy doesn't work at all. You said: "<u>Its like me saying I have a million dollars in my bank account, its not there, but I believe it is, but that it doesnt change the fact its not really there.</u>" The reason this doesn't apply is because you're comparing something that you know for a fact isn't true (the million dollars), with something you don't have an answer for (the existence of God). Off the top of my head, a better example (although not a great one) would be like me suspecting that I have a long-lost brother. I can't prove it without a doubt, but there's no way of knowing for certain that it isn't true.

And finally, you're making a huge logical mistake called a "Burden of Proof fallacy." Basically, you're saying that if I can't provide adequate proof that God exists then you're justified in thinking that He can't possibly exist. However, the fact that I've been proven wrong (or in this case, can't prove myself right) doesn't mean necessarily mean your position is justified. You aren't proven right by default; you have to provide your own reasoning for why there cannot be a God.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NTC)</div><div class='quotemain'>Oh please, thats the biggest load of bull**** I've read in my life. Where are these super powers today? How come no one else has any of these abilities. Who spoke to God to find out thats how the world was created, that he holds those powers? C'mon dude, if you believe a stupid story like that, you're an idiot, plain and simple.</div>I'll answer these questions one by one:

1) I would assume that God still holds these powers. However, I'm not going to pretend like I can understand God's motives. In fact, if I could completely understand God it would almost mean that He's at the same level as us and not eternal.
2) God really wouldn't be omnipotent (all-powerful) if someone else had the same powers, would He?
3) Every religion has their own account of how God passed down wisdom, but if we're talking about Christianity, I believe some of it was spoken through the mouth of a chosen prophet and some of it is revealed through nature.

I'm not even trying to say that there has to be a God (Christian or otherwise), but I am defending the right to believe in a religion. The fact is that you've taken ignorance to a whole 'nother level in this thread, calling people idiots for believing in something you can't fully disprove and criticizing something you don't properly understand.</p>
 
[quote name='Chutney']That first statement really doesn't prove anything (I find arguments that involve "'nuff said" are usually a waste of time), but it also shows another problem I've noticed. You're criticizing religion and the concept of spirituality in general, from a common sensical/scientific viewpoint. That's pointless really, because the whole idea of religion/spirituality deals with a nonmaterial, otherworldly realm (I'm generalizing, but you get the point). <u>It's beyond what we can know and percieve with our senses</u>.[/QUOTE]If you actually read my posts properly, you'll find I've been saying that the whole time.Youbasicallyprovedmypointthere,howdoweknowitexiststhen?Iknowwhatyouranswerisgoingtobe,"Wedont",ok...sowhydoyoubelieveitthen?YoudontbelieveintheEasterBunnydoyou?OrFatherChristmas?TheyarentanymorefarfetchedthanthemythofGodis. [quote name='Chutney']Secondly, your analogy doesn't work at all. You said: "<u>Its like me saying I have a million dollars in my bank account, its not there, but I believe it is, but that it doesnt change the fact its not really there.</u>" The reason this doesn't apply is because you're comparing something that you know for a fact isn't true (the million dollars), with something you don't have an answer for (the existence of God). Off the top of my head, a better example (although not a great one) would be like me suspecting that I have a long-lost brother. I can't prove it without a doubt, but there's no way of knowing for certain that it isn't true.[/QUOTE]Dude, it applies perfectly, you just dont want it to, because you're either biased, or cant handle the fact that its right. Do you have evidence god exists? Do you? No you dont, so how do you know God exists? You dont. There is nothing different to me thinking I have a million dollars if I choose to believe so, I dont have any proof or evidence that I dont have a million dollars, again, its just a perception of my mind. If I choose to believe I have a million dollars, I have a million dollars, if I choose to believe in god, I choose to believe in god, I cant prove either, but from your viewpoint, it doesnt matter, its all about what you think, not what you know, there fore, it applies perfectly. [quote name='Chutney']And finally, you're making a huge logical mistake called a "Burden of Proof fallacy." Basically, you're saying that if I can't provide adequate proof that God exists then you're justified in thinking that He can't possibly exist. However, the fact that I've been proven wrong (or in this case, can't prove myself right) doesn't mean necessarily mean your position is justified. You aren't proven right by default; you have to provide your own reasoning for why there cannot be a God.[/QUOTE]Because its impossible to know! Do you honestly believe a human,thesameasyouandme,whowasjustbornintothisworldlikeeveryotherhuman, was able to decipher the mystery of the universe?Decipherourreasonforbeinghere,andhowtheworldwascreated? C'mon now, gimme a break.Sure you can say it cant be proven wrong, of course it cant, because there is nothing that we have ever discovered through out time, over what, hundreds of thousands of years, the suggests the Earth was created by "God". There are plenty of things that cant be proven dont exist, things like Big Foot, the Lochness Monster etc. but people shoot them down as ludicrous and what not, so whats so different here? Nothing.[quote name='Chutney']1) I would assume that God still holds these powers. However, I'm not going to pretend like I can understand God's motives. In fact, if I could completely understand God it would almost mean that He's at the same level as us and not eternal.[/QUOTE]Let me ask you then, what is God? Where is he today? Do you honestly believe a "he" (aka a man) created the universe. Do you understand why I'm calling people who believe in religion Idiots yet?[quote name='Chutney']3) Every religion has their own account of how God passed down wisdom, but if we're talking about Christianity, I believe some of it was spoken through the mouth of a chosencrackaddict and some of it is revealed through nature.[/QUOTE]Fixed. [quote name='Chutney']I'm not even trying to say that there has to be a God (Christian or otherwise), but I am defending the right to believe in a religion. The fact is that you've taken ignorance to a whole 'nother level in this thread, calling people idiots for believing in something you can't fully disprove and criticizing something you don't properly understand.[/QUOTE]

I'mnotsayingpeoplecantbelieveinReligion,Idontholdanythingagainstpeoplewhobelieveinreligion,Ithink they are idiots for being suckered into such a ludicrous fable about a subject no one will ever really know a thing about. If I came out and told you I believed in the Easter Bunny, and I devoted my life to the Easter Bunny, you guys would call me an idiot (or nutcase) aswell, so whats the difference?When there are people around the world who take religion so seriously, that they murder others, and cause all sorts of other problems and conflict, then you should see why I hate religion. 2,993peoplediedin9/11,andforwhat?Becausesomefuckingdouchebagmoronsbelieved"itswhatGodwantedthemtodo". </p>
 
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Idontholdanythingagainstpeoplewhobelieveinreligion,Ithink they are idiots</p>

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Sure thing.</p>

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If you actually read my posts properly, you'll find I've been saying that the whole time.Youbasicallyprovedmypointthere,howdoweknowitexiststhen? Iknowwhatyouranswerisgoingtobe,"Wedont",ok...sowhydoyoubelieveitthen? YoudontbelieveintheEasterBunnydoyou?OrFatherChristmas?TheyarentanymorefarfetchedthanthemythofGodis. [/Quote]</p>

The problem is that you are talking about the Easter Bunny, Father Christmas, and 1,000,000 of non-existant money as proofs, when they don't apply. The difference is that we KNOW the Easter Bunny, Father Christmas, and the 1,000,000 don't exist, whether you believe it or not. With God no one KNOWS. Just because we don't know, or are uncertain, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You clearly are taking the agnostic point of view (someone who believes that there's no way of knowing whether there is a God or not). Just because you think we cannot prove He exists, you still need to prove that He doesn't exist. I mean, I can easily say, 'How do we know God doesn't exist? Because we can't prove this, He must exist!". It makes no sense to just imply one side invalid because you can't prove it, when you cannot prove either side.

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Dude, it applies perfectly, you just dont want it to, because you're either biased, or cant handle the fact that its right. Do you have evidence god exists? Do you? No you dont, so how do you know God exists? You dont. There is nothing different to me thinking I have a million dollars if I choose to believe so, I dont have any proof or evidence that I dont have a million dollars, again, its just a perception of my mind. If I choose to believe I have a million dollars, I have a million dollars, if I choose to believe in god, I choose to believe in god, I cant prove either, but from your viewpoint, it doesnt matter, its all about what you think, not what you know, there fore, it applies perfectly.[/QUOTE]</p>

There are so many things wrong with this, and I don't know how you can't see it, so I'm guessing you just don't want to be proven wrong, and you're going to hold a staunch opinion on this, no matter how ridiculous it is. You CAN prove that you don't have the million dollars. Go check your bank statement, there's not a million dollars in there. That proves that the million dollars doesn't exist, it only exists as a figment of your imagination. God on the other hand has no concrete evidence of existance, or non-existance, and it's mostly accepted that since you cannot prove or disprove, that it is all based on belief, and not materiality. The one million dollars are material, while God is an abstract concept. It doesn't make sense to compare them. You need to come off your podium and look at the logicality of what you are arguing, your argument simply doesn't make sense, but you refuse to believe it for fear of being wrong.


[quote name='NTC']Because its impossible to know! Do you honestly believe a human,thesameasyouandme,whowasjustbornintothisworldlikeeveryotherhuman, was able to decipher the mystery of the universe?Decipherourreasonforbeinghere,andhowtheworldwascreated? C'mon now, gimme a break.Sure you can say it cant be proven wrong, of course it cant, because there is nothing that we have ever discovered through out time, over what, hundreds of thousands of years, the suggests the Earth was created by "God". There are plenty of things that cant be proven dont exist, things like Big Foot, the Lochness Monster etc. but people shoot them down as ludicrous and what not, so whats so different here? Nothing.[quote name='NTC']</p>

It's still all about belief and faith. Many people think religion is whacked out, just as believing in Big Foot & Nessie is.</p>

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Let me ask you then, what is God? Where is he today? Do you honestly believe a "he" (aka a man) created the universe. Do you understand why I'm calling people who believe in religion Idiots yet?[/QUOTE]</p>

Just because God is referred to as 'He' doesn't mean that He is being personified into a man. You need to understand the absurdity that you speak, because you sure as hell don't understand what anyone else has been saying in this thread, and are showing.

[quote name='Chutney']3) Every religion has their own account of how God passed down wisdom, but if we're talking about Christianity, I believe some of it was spoken through the mouth of a chosencrackaddict and some of it is revealed through nature.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='NTC']Fixed.[/Quote]</p>

That's one of the most ignorant things I think that I ever read. You have no problems with religion as you stated later in your post, but you call Jesus a crack addict? Yikes, I don't even need to say anything about the insanity of some of the stuff you are saying. Slow down, take a step back, take a deep breath and think about what you are saying.</p>


[quote name='NTC']I'mnotsayingpeoplecantbelieveinReligion,Idontholdanythingagainstpeoplewhobelieveinreligion,Ithink they are idiots for being suckered into such a ludicrous fable about a subject no one will ever really know a thing about. If I came out and told you I believed in the Easter Bunny, and I devoted my life to the Easter Bunny, you guys would call me an idiot (or nutcase) aswell, so whats the difference?

When there are people around the world who take religion so seriously, that they murder others, and cause all sorts of other problems and conflict, then you should see why I hate religion. 2,993peoplediedin9/11,andforwhat?Becausesomefuckingdouchebagmoronsbelieved"itswhatGodwantedthemtodo".</p>

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You don't hold anything against the people who believe in religion, but they are idiots? Sounds like you are holding something against them...We would call you an idiot if you believe in the Easter Bunny, because it's proven that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. It's a known fact that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. Prove to me God doesn't exist and you have a logical argument, but until you do that, your argument is super-weak.</p>

Belief is a very strong thing, that's why there's conflict, but you act like religion is the root of all evil. Do you hate money because people have been killed over it? I can evidence some other conflicts that started over things other than religion, do you hate all those things too? 9/11 wasn't solely carried out because of religion and/or God, there were plenty of geo-political aspects to that, but that's not something I want to get into, as it doesn't really pertain to this argument, and that's just opening a whole 'nuther can of worms.</p>

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You need to relax, let people believe in what they want, why does it bother you so much?</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NTC)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

When there are people around the world who take religion so seriously, that they murder others, and cause all sorts of other problems and conflict, then you should see why I hate religion. 2,993peoplediedin9/11,andforwhat?Becausesomefuckingdouchebagmoronsbelieved"itswhatGodwantedthemtodo".</p>

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Yes, you should hate all religions for 9/11 Because all religions attacked the twin towers. I'm sure thats the right way to look at it.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NTC)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

When there are people around the world who take religion so seriously, that they murder others, and cause all sorts of other problems and conflict, then you should see why I hate religion. 2,993peoplediedin9/11,andforwhat?Becausesomefuckingdouchebagmoronsbelieved"itswhatGodwantedthemtodo".</p>

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God has a reason for everything. It might not always make sense, and it might not even seem right...hell, we might not ever figure it out....but I have faith that God has a reason for everything.</p>

Maybe it was trying to give people a wake-up call. Maybe it was trying to tell us as Americans that the world isn't perfect, and we have to realize it...there's crazy shit going on overseas, with the terrorists, including Osama, and maybe that was God's way of telling us...maybe we should be doing something about it.</p>

Now, that's just my view on it. Who knows if that was the reason...there could be multiple other reasons as to why all those people died in 9/11.</p>

That's my belief, that's my views, and if you don't like it, oh well. Can't really do anything about that.</p>

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[quote name='Kid Chocolate']The problem is that you are talking about the Easter Bunny, Father Christmas, and 1,000,000 of non-existant money as proofs, when they don't apply. The difference is that we KNOW the Easter Bunny, Father Christmas, and the 1,000,000 don't exist, whether you believe it or not. With God no one KNOWS. Just because we don't know, or are uncertain, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You clearly are taking the agnostic point of view (someone who believes that there's no way of knowing whether there is a God or not). Just because you think we cannot prove He exists, you still need to prove that He doesn't exist. I mean, I can easily say, 'How do we know God doesn't exist? Because we can't prove this, He must exist!". It makes no sense to just imply one side invalid because you can't prove it, when you cannot prove either side.[/QUOTE] lol, the exact response I was hoping for. Do you have any proof Santa ClausortheEaster dont exist? Well do you? No you dont, so how do you know for sure? Imeanyouobviouslybelieveinthemyththatisgod,youbelievethatstory,whydontyoubuytheSanta/EasterBunnymyths?Therearenowaytoprovetheydontexist,sowhatsstoppingyou?If you can't prove somthing, then there is a 99.9% chance it doesnt exist. I just find it amusing how this applies to everything in the world except on the subject of 'god'.

[quote name='Kid Chocolate']There are so many things wrong with this, and I don't know how you can't see it, so I'm guessing you just don't want to be proven wrong, and you're going to hold a staunch opinion on this, no matter how ridiculous it is. You CAN prove that you don't have the million dollars. Go check your bank statement, there's not a million dollars in there. That proves that the million dollars doesn't exist, it only exists as a figment of your imagination. God on the other hand has no concrete evidence of existance, or non-existance, and it's mostly accepted that since you cannot prove or disprove, that it is all based on belief, and not materiality. The one million dollars are material, while God is an abstract concept. It doesn't make sense to compare them. You need to come off your podium and look at the logicality of what you are arguing, your argument simply doesn't make sense, but you refuse to believe it for fear of being wrong.[/QUOTE]lol, I dont care about being proven wrong, I'm not biased, I'll happilly admit when I'm wrong, I wont on this matter because I know I'm not wrong. You can't prove I dont have a million dollars, just because it doesnt show up on my bank statement doesnt mean I dont have it stashed somewhere else. This is where your argument is flawed, because according to the logic of the existance of God, nothing can be proven ever, even ifsomthing we percieve as proven, who's to say thats infact correct?Lets see your argument, you're debating for the existance of somthingthereisnoproofof,whileI'mdebatingforthenon-existanceofthesamethingonthebasisthereisnoproofofit.Myargumentexactlyis,thereisnoevidencesupportingtheexistanceofGod,usingthis"wellyoucantnotprovethereisntagod"isacheapcopout,Icantprovegoddoesntexistbecausethereisnothingtobeabletoprovehisexistance!I'vegotabetterchanceoffuckingJessicaAlbathanyoudotryingtoprovetomeGodisreal.[quote name='Kid Chocolate']It's still all about belief and faith. Many people think religion is whacked out, just as believing in Big Foot & Nessie is.[/QUOTE]This is the number 1 reason why religion is a farce, everyone is believing and thinking a different thing from one another, God supposedly created the universe, so who is right? Who's opinion is correct? No ones is, God is essentially nothing anything. [quote name='Kid Chocolate']Just because God is referred to as 'He' doesn't mean that He is being personified into a man. You need to understand the absurdity that you speak, because you sure as hell don't understand what anyone else has been saying in this thread, and are showing.[/QUOTE]he1 [hee; unstressed ee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation pronoun, nominative he, possessive his, objective him; plural nominative they, possessive their or theirs, objective them; noun, plural hes; adjective &ndash;pronoun 1. the male person or animal being discussed or last mentioned; that male. 2. anyone (without reference to sex); that person: He who hesitates is lost. &ndash;noun 3. any male person or animal; a man: hes and shes. &ndash;adjective 4. male (usually used in combination): a he-goat. [Origin: bef. 900; ME, OE h&eacute; (masc. nom. sing.); c. D hij, OS h&eacute;, OHG her he; see his, him, she, her, it1] &mdash;Usage note Traditionally, the masculine singular pronouns he1, his, and him have been used generically to refer to indefinite pronouns like anyone, everyone, and someone (Everyone who agrees should raise his right hand) and to singular nouns that can be applied to either sex (painter, parent, person, teacher, writer, etc.): Every writer knows that his first book is not likely to be a bestseller. This generic use is often criticized as sexist, although many speakers and writers continue the practice.Those who object to the generic use of he have developed various ways of avoiding it. One is to use he/she or she/he (or he or she or she or he) or the appropriate case forms of these pairs: Everyone who agrees should raise his or her (or her or his or his/her or her/his) right hand. Forms blending the feminine and masculine pronouns, as s/he, have not been widely adopted, probably because of confusion over how to say them.Another solution is to change the antecedent pronoun or noun from singular to plural so that the plural pronouns they, their, and them can be used: All who agree should raise their right hands. All writers know that their first books are not likely to be bestsellers. See also they.If god isnt a man, dont refer to it as a 'he'.</p>

[quote name='Kid Chocolate']That's one of the most ignorant things I think that I ever read. You have no problems with religion as you stated later in your post, but you call Jesus a crack addict? Yikes, I don't even need to say anything about the insanity of some of the stuff you are saying. Slow down, take a step back, take a deep breath and think about what you are saying.[/QUOTE]Yes, a man who spoke with the universeandfoundouthoweverythingwascreated...</p>

[quote name='Kid Chocolate']You don't hold anything against the people who believe in religion, but they are idiots? Sounds like you are holding something against them...We would call you an idiot if you believe in the Easter Bunny, because it's proven that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. It's a known fact that the Easter Bunny doesn't exist. Prove to me God doesn't exist and you have a logical argument, but until you do that, your argument is super-weak.[/QUOTE]If you want to percieve it that way, then thats your problem.Ok, so you would call me an idiot for my beliefs? Double standards much? Again, the Easter Bunny cant be proven that it doesnt exist. Where is the concrete evidence the Easter Bunny doesnt exist?</p>

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lol, I need to relax? I was offering my opinion, you guys are the ones attacking me because you dont like what Ihaveto say. I never told people they couldnt believe in what they want, show me where I said that?I'mofferingmyviews,thatsall.Ifyoudontlikethem,thendontreadwhatIhavetosay.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NTC)</div><div class='quotemain'>Do you have any proof Santa ClausortheEaster dont exist? Well do you? No you dont, so how do you know for sure?</div></p>

Your parents haven't told you yet? We know they don't exist because our parents came clean about their late night egg-hiding and present hiding activities. So yes, I do have proof that santa claus doesn't exist.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NTC)</div><div class='quotemain'> Do you have any proof Santa ClausortheEaster dont exist? Well do you? No you dont, so how do you know for sure?</div></p>

Your parents haven't told you yet? We know they don't exist because our parents came clean about their late night egg-hiding and present hiding activities. So yes, I do have proof that santa claus doesn't exist.</p>

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Who'stosayyourparentsarentcoveringup?Who'stosayjustbecausetheydontmaketheactualdeliveriesthemselves,thattheydontexist?ThisiswhatImean,this"youcantprovegoddoesntexist"appliestoeverythingonceyouslapitonthisdebate.Whatsgoodforthegoose,isgoodforthegander.</p>

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Who'stosayyourparentsarentcoveringup?Who'stosayjustbecausetheydontmaketheactualdeliveriesthemselves,thattheydontexist?ThisiswhatImean,this"youcantprovegoddoesntexist"appliestoeverythingonceyouslapitonthisdebate.Whatsgoodforthegoose,isgoodforthegander.</p>

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Ok now I think you're starting to jump the shark. Do you actually believe this?</p>

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Because if you don't, you've ruined the legitimacy of the argument you brought up. Of course if you do, you're admitting that you don't think Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny are fake. I won't make assertions to the goose, but I'd say you've argued yourself between a rock and a hard place.</p>

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