Chuck Hayes question?

[Blazinaway]

I like him for possible relatively cheap C insurance, guy plays very good post D, my question is what kind of deal/price will he likely command? Is it possible he could be had for the 3 mil MLE?

 

[MickZagger]

I'd hope we could get him at that. Dude could run clinics on how to play post D.

 

[magnifier661]

I would love to have Hayes, but I suspect one of the teams needing to get over the league min salary will overpay him.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

He'd be my #1 target.

To say he's a solid defender is an understatement!

He's 6'6" but has a career DRtg (at C/PF) of 101 and is even better in the playoffs with a career DRtg of 100.

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[Blazinaway]

He'd be my #1 target.

To say he's a solid defender is an understatement!

He's 6'6" but has a career DRtg (at C/PF) of 101 and is even better in the playoffs with a career DRtg of 100.

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Here's more "value fodder". Nene who is in huge demand supposedly did 14.5 PPG and 7.9 reb is 30.5 minutes last year, Hayes was 7.9 PPG, 8.1 rebs in 28 minutes. Some consider Hayes a top 3 post defener and top 10 team, he does not block shots but he is a heckuva defender.

NENE is supposed to be in big demand and get what 10-12 mil per year? Hayes might be had for 3-4 mil per. Why the hell pay Nene for 6 more points per game when Hayes might be had for a 1/3 to 1/4 of the cost and is a better defender?

 

[Blazinaway]

He'd be my #1 target.

To say he's a solid defender is an understatement!

He's 6'6" but has a career DRtg (at C/PF) of 101 and is even better in the playoffs with a career DRtg of 100.

[video=youtube;oiW1S7rD3Y0]

plus you gotta love a guy who plays that ahole KG like that!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

he would be a nice addition no doubt, he might be a lil more than we can offer though

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

ChrisBHaynes Chris Haynes
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Meh.

 

[RoyToy]

Landry would provide a nice scoring option for the Blazers off the bench. He can create his own offense.

After that he doesn't give you much, though.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

jwquick Jason Quick
Duffy says Blazers are showing more interest in Joel Przybilla than Chuck Hayes. Hayes prob would be mini-mid level, so Blazers looking MLE?

 

[Further]

Here's more "value fodder". Nene who is in huge demand supposedly did 14.5 PPG and 7.9 reb is 30.5 minutes last year, Hayes was 7.9 PPG, 8.1 rebs in 28 minutes. Some consider Hayes a top 3 post defener and top 10 team, he does not block shots but he is a heckuva defender.

NENE is supposed to be in big demand and get what 10-12 mil per year? Hayes might be had for 3-4 mil per. Why the hell pay Nene for 6 more points per game when Hayes might be had for a 1/3 to 1/4 of the cost and is a better defender?

EDIT: I ramble here, so read at your own peril.

Each additional point is harder to get because you receive more defensive attention. So, he might only score 6 more points a game, but how much does his added offense decrease the burden on those around him. If his offense accounts to 3 additional points a game compared to Hayes (or some other player), no matter if he is the shooter or someone else on the team, then those 3 additional points can have a huge affect on wins/losses over the course of a season. Imagine a team that averages 98ppg and one that averages 101ppg. The 101 team is more likely to win more games. Of course if the 98ppg team is great defensively and can cause the opposing team to score 4ppg less than the 101ppg team can force, than that offsets any increase in offense and the lower scoring team would be better.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

jwquick Jason Quick
If looking MLE ($5 million a year for four years), Blazers probably targeting Carl Landry type. Prz would prob be signed for vet minimum

 

[RoyToy]

Can't Joel just do us a favor and sign for the league minimum?

That said, I really want to see what Joel looks like. We saw a not completely ready Joel Przybilla last year for the Blazers, 60-70% at best. Guy is a warrior. He was still a productive rebounder.

Think the team still needs scoring off the bench more than anything

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Can't Joel just do us a favor and sign for the league minimum?

Think the team still needs scoring off the bench more than anything

these are two different players, unless joel spent the offseason working on his perimeter game

 

[RoyToy]

these are two different players, unless joel spent the offseason working on his perimeter game

League minimum on Joel

MLE on scorer

Or we can just bring over the Great White Hope that is Joel Freeland and win a championship this season!

 

[Blazinaway]

EDIT: I ramble here, so read at your own peril.

Each additional point is harder to get because you receive more defensive attention. So, he might only score 6 more points a game, but how much does his added offense decrease the burden on those around him. If his offense accounts to 3 additional points a game compared to Hayes (or some other player), no matter if he is the shooter or someone else on the team, then those 3 additional points can have a huge affect on wins/losses over the course of a season. Imagine a team that averages 98ppg and one that averages 101ppg. The 101 team is more likely to win more games. Of course if the 98ppg team is great defensively and can cause the opposing team to score 4ppg less than the 101ppg team can force, than that offsets any increase in offense and the lower scoring team would be better.

I hear ya but his D IMO would probably make up for most of the scoring deficiency, and when your talkin 10-12 mil per yr vs 3-4 can ya really want nene more? If you had the money and no cap concerns maybe, but with this new CBA havin a guy like Hayes to me makes very good sense.

 

[Rhal]

Why don't we just bring over Freeland and end all this debate. I'd love Hayes but for the money i'd like to take a flyer on Freeland.

 

[Carlito]

Sounds like the plan is (according to Jason quick)

Waive Roy

Sign Landry

Sign Joel or Hayes

 

[Carlito]

The team would look like this...

PG Felton/Smith/Johnson
SG Wes/Batum/Williams
SF Wallace/Batum
PF Aldridge/Landry/Babbit
C Camby/Oden/Pryz/Johnson

 

[RoyToy]

edit

^^^^^^^^

 

[Blazinaway]

Sounds like the plan is (according to Jason quick)

Waive Roy

Sign Landry



Sign Joel or Hayes

If we could do it both landry and hayes would be a very nice offseason, Hayes>Joel big time after Joel's two bad injuries

 

[Carlito]

The bad news is.... Sounds like landry has half a dozen teams after him. This according to freeman on twitter.

 

[Mediocre Man]

What Quick needs to realize is the Blazers don't have 5 mil.

 

[RoyToy]

There are actually a lot of unrestricted free agent big men out there

Just don't think the full MLE gets it done

Tyson Chandler
Nene
Kris Humphries
Samuel Dalembert

 

[Mediocre Man]

There are actually a lot of unrestricted free agent big men out there

Just don't think the full MLE gets it done

Tyson Chandler
Nene
Kris Humphries
Samuel Dalembert

Which we won't even have....right? Unless we waive Roy that is...right?

 

[Carlito]

That's assuming Roy is waived

 

[RoyToy]

Which we won't even have....right? Unless we waive Roy that is...right?

From what I've heard the team with have the full MLE if they waive Roy

Roy won't be back imo. I think the main reason they say that haven't made a decision yet is because Roy has meant so much to the organization they're not just going to cut and run at first notice. They're trying their best to soften the blow a little bit as the organization does and always will love Roy.

 

[Mediocre Man]

From what I've heard the team with have the full MLE if they waive Roy

Roy won't be back imo. I think the main reason they say that haven't made a decision yet is because Roy has meant so much to the organization they're not just going to cut and run at first notice. They're trying their best to soften the blow a little bit as the organization does and always will love Roy.

I hope you're right. This team hasn't had the best track record of doing the right thing

 

[Carlito]

He is correct. Roy is gone.

 

[RoyToy]

I hope you're right. This team hasn't had the best track record of doing the right thing

Since 2006 they've been pretty good at not making terrible personnel decisions.

Cutting Roy saves so much $ for Paul Allen, and Paul is reportedly much tighter with the wallet these days. Not that he won't spend when necessary, but he's definitely trended away from writing blank checks.