Politics Civil War part 2! Which side will you fight for?

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MarAzul said:
we also do not want the loosers undermining the winner with sedition, superfluous charges, and frivolous harassment.
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What if the charges aren't superfluous or frivolous? Is investigation okay then?
 
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MarAzul said:
Name the charge and show the harm. Like if you want murder, show the body. Theft? Of what?
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I'm sure the charge will be named if he's actually ever put on trial (impeached).
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yay Trump!

Wait.... what year did he take over?

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Looks like way up in 2016 to me.

Up 6000 points in 2016, less than a year.

Up 2000 points from 2014 to 2016.

Nice graph.
 
Denny Crane said:
Looks like way up in 2016 to me.

Up 6000 points in 2016, less than a year.

Up 2000 points from 2014 to 2016.

Nice graph.
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yup fuk Obama's last year as president, or his administrations previous 7 years effect on the profits those companies made in 2016. none of that would have happened except for trump. GREEN FONT
 
lawai'a said:
yup fuk Obama's last year as president, or his administrations previous 7 years effect on the profits those companies made in 2016. none of that would have happened except for trump. GREEN FONT
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2000 points in his last two years vs 6000 points since January. Numbers don't matter. GREEN FONT.
 
Denny Crane said:
Looks like way up in 2016 to me.

Up 6000 points in 2016, less than a year.

Up 2000 points from 2014 to 2016.

Nice graph.
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That's AMAZING! So the fact that the stock market has been on the rise for years doesn't matter at all? Trump changed the market THE DAY he took office! He's like some kind of wizard!
 
Natebishop3 said:
That's AMAZING! So the fact that the stock market has been on the rise for years doesn't matter at all? Trump changed the market THE DAY he took office! He's like some kind of wizard!
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Trump did change the market the day he took office. From 1000 points a year to 6000 points in less than a year indicates something changed.

Enthusiasm, fewer regulations, promise of lower taxes, consumer confidence, etc. They all factor in.

All this growth is occurring in spite of Fed interest rate hikes and the threat that selling off some of Obama's hidden debt (Quantitative Easing), that Obama didn't have to deal with.
 
Denny Crane said:
Enthusiasm, fewer regulations, promise of lower taxes, consumer confidence, etc. They all factor in.
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So...... bullshit? You could have just said "bullshit" and it would have covered all manner of those things. And that should be very concerning to you because none of that has come to fruition, so eventually that "consumer confidence" will dissipate, and then what happens?
 
Natebishop3 said:
So...... bullshit? You could have just said "bullshit" and it would have covered all manner of those things. And that should be very concerning to you because none of that has come to fruition, so eventually that "consumer confidence" will dissipate, and then what happens?
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How do you explain the clear and significant increase, coinciding with Trump taking office?

Obama did nothing to cause that.
 
From a source that is out to destroy Trump from the day he took office. What's even funnier is some of that 2000 points through 2016, CNN credits to Trump by simply getting elected.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/28/investing/trump-rally-wall-street-100-days/index.html

Trump rally is 2nd best since JFK

The Trump rally has come in three waves. It was kicked off soon after the election with exuberance over the Trump agenda. It was dealt a blow by political reality, and has since matured into cautious optimism.

All in all, the stock market performance through President Trump's 100th day in office on Saturday looks impressive. That's especially true given Trump's historically-low poll numbers and nonexistent legislative achievements, at least so far.

The S&P 500 has rallied 11.6% between Trump's election victory and Friday, the final day before the 100-day mark. That's the second-best performance for that period, since an 18% surge under President Kennedy in 1961, according to CFRA Research. The S&P 500 soared 12.3% through the same point under President George H. W. Bush in 1989.

"Wall Street has awarded President Trump an A for 'anticipation,'" Sam Stovall, CFRA's chief investment strategist, wrote in a report.

Anticipation of a pro-growth policy -- massive tax cuts, infrastructure spending and deregulation -- fired Wall Street up immediately after the election.

So much so that most of the Trump rally actually took place long before he ever took power. Roughly 53% of the S&P 500's total post-election rally happened by December 13, according to an analysis of FactSet data.
 
Denny Crane said:
How do you explain the clear and significant increase, coinciding with Trump taking office?

Obama did nothing to cause that.
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It took a major dip around the election, and then it corrected back to the line that it had been steadily taking since 2009. Go look at that 10 year graph. The current market is right in line with the steady rise that we have been seeing over the past 8-9 years.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It took a major dip around the election, and then it corrected back to the line that it had been steadily taking since 2009. Go look at that 10 year graph. The current market is right in line with the steady rise that we have been seeing over the past 8-9 years.
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It took a dip because Hillary was predicted to win.

All that matters for this discussion is since Trump was elected.

See the CNN article.
 
Denny Crane said:
It took a dip because Hillary was predicted to win.

All that matters for this discussion is since Trump was elected.

See the CNN article.
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The economy doesn't turn on a dime. You can't take credit for the economy without looking at past information.

If you look at that same chart, do you think it was Obama's fault that the market was already nose diving before he took office? I'm not even a fan of Obama, but I find that ridiculous. The President doesn't get to take credit for an economy that was already on a steady rise.
 
What the economy is doing right now may look very different after college enrollment and the harvest of the crops....as is Wall Street is profiting from deregulation and anticipated tax breaks for corporations.....by Christmas it might not look like rainbows and unicorns anymore
 
Natebishop3 said:
The economy doesn't turn on a dime. You can't take credit for the economy without looking at past information.

If you look at that same chart, do you think it was Obama's fault that the market was already nose diving before he took office? I'm not even a fan of Obama, but I find that ridiculous. The President doesn't get to take credit for an economy that was already on a steady rise.
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He's not taking credit for that, nor would I give it to him. Nor does CNN.

The FACT that the markets made major moves upward, beyond the Obama trends, are significant.

GDP growth was 1.5% in 2016. Does Trump get credit for a 2.5% number this year? (Yes).
 
Denny Crane said:
He's not taking credit for that, nor would I give it to him. Nor does CNN.

The FACT that the markets made major moves upward, beyond the Obama trends, are significant.

GDP growth was 1.5% in 2016. Does Trump get credit for a 2.5% number this year? (Yes).
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But he hasn't done anything. You yourself said that the consumer confidence is based on the perception that he's going to reduce regulations and lower taxes, which he has not done.

If I told you I was going to give you a million dollars, and you ran out and bought a house and a car because you were expecting a million dollars in your bank account, but that million dollars doesn't come..... what happens? It's closing in on a year. Where's the wall? Where's the lower taxes? Why hasn't the swamp been drained?
 
Denny Crane said:
Does Trump get credit for a 2.5% number this year
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This year is not over unless you mean the fiscal year which would include numbers from the last administration....there are a lot of budget holes that aren't going to look so good....then there's the wall....just hope we don't have to go to war with N Korea anytime soon...that'll be hard to fund as it stands. International trade is going to look different under Trump's watch....that will be interesting. I'm glad you're optimistic, but I'm not feeling it at all.....
 
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