Politics Civil War part 2! Which side will you fight for?

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The thing that liberals in here don't seem to understand is that the value of the stock market is based upon future expectations. Not on the past.
 
tlongII said:
The thing that liberals in here don't seem to understand is that the value of the stock market is based upon future expectations. Not on the past.
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Nonsense....we've seen the market crash upon future expectations....what conservatives ignore is that short term gains don't always translate into long term gains...and any unforeseen conflicts or natural disasters can send the market into a spiral anytime...and for the record....some stock brokers are actually liberals.
 
Natebishop3 said:
But he hasn't done anything. You yourself said that the consumer confidence is based on the perception that he's going to reduce regulations and lower taxes, which he has not done.

If I told you I was going to give you a million dollars, and you ran out and bought a house and a car because you were expecting a million dollars in your bank account, but that million dollars doesn't come..... what happens? It's closing in on a year. Where's the wall? Where's the lower taxes? Why hasn't the swamp been drained?
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He has done things. The premise that he hasn't is flawed.

By executive order alone, he has slashed numerous regulations that harm business. Business loves it, invests, and grows.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...ive-order-reducing-regulation-and-controlling
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...rder-core-principles-regulating-united-states
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...tive-order-enforcing-regulatory-reform-agenda
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...er-restoring-rule-law-federalism-and-economic
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...r-promoting-energy-independence-and-economi-1
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...er-regarding-omnibus-report-significant-trade
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...ve-order-establishing-enhanced-collection-and
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...order-identifying-and-reducing-tax-regulatory
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...er-implementing-america-first-offshore-energy
etc.

Congress has passed bills that he's signed that are pro business, too.

I don't buy any of the narrative that he's not doing anything. He's ordering about 2.5M executive branch employees to do these pro-growth/pro-business things.

Does the truth matter?
 
riverman said:
This year is not over unless you mean the fiscal year which would include numbers from the last administration....there are a lot of budget holes that aren't going to look so good....then there's the wall....just hope we don't have to go to war with N Korea anytime soon...that'll be hard to fund as it stands. International trade is going to look different under Trump's watch....that will be interesting. I'm glad you're optimistic, but I'm not feeling it at all.....
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Thanks Obama.

We've seen the alternatives in action.
 
Denny Crane said:
But it's ok for people to lie about him or what the actual facts are?
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you mean people who aren't president of the US? no it's not, but if you count up all his detractors, you'll find some fake news in there..personally I go from the man's own words and actions....not impressed...not even with my IRA gaining ...there are more important concerns in my view than the GNP
 
riverman said:
you mean people who aren't president of the US? no it's not, but if you count up all his detractors, you'll find some fake news in there..personally I go from the man's own words and actions....not impressed...not even with my IRA gaining ...there are more important concerns in my view than the GNP
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GDP has been under attack for the past 8 years. Need to give it a boost to even things out.

When taxing 25% of GDP isn't enough to cover all the liberal spendy things, we end up with the second most massive deficits biggest debt in history.

If GDP is bigger, you don't have to tax more.

What he's doing has mixed results, for sure. But to say he's done NOTHING isn't giving due credit to the facts.
 
Denny Crane said:
GDP has been under attack for the past 8 years. Need to give it a boost to even things out.

When taxing 25% of GDP isn't enough to cover all the liberal spendy things, we end up with the second most massive deficits biggest debt in history.

If GDP is bigger, you don't have to tax more.

What he's doing has mixed results, for sure. But to say he's done NOTHING isn't giving due credit to the facts.
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He's gone after street gangs in Long Island, or Sessions has....I think that's a good thing...he's pulled out of the TPP though which is going to really hurt Midwestern farmers....good for Canadian, Argentinian and Brazilian farmers though....they will step right in and fill the role
 
riverman said:
Nonsense....we've seen the market crash upon future expectations....what conservatives ignore is that short term gains don't always translate into long term gains...and any unforeseen conflicts or natural disasters can send the market into a spiral anytime...and for the record....some stock brokers are actually liberals.
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Nonsense my ass. That is basic Stocks 101.
 
tlongII said:
That is basic Stocks 101.
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that there are liberal stock brokers? already said that....the market is vulnerable to things that cannot be predicted...basic life 101....drought, war, disaster, etc....Bernie Madhoff sure fleeced some folks with basic stocks 101....
 
MarAzul said:
You have the floor. What would tickle your fancy?
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infrastructure......high speed rail systems and upgraded power grid.....and alternatives to insurance companies ...there's some talk of hospitals undercutting those companies and selling cheaper insurance directly to the customer...cut out the middle man entirely....amazon is also thinking of getting into the cheap insurance biz.....I also want us to lead the world in trade partnerships....not cut off international markets with some bluster about how many labor jobs we'll create at home because robotics are going to kill off many of those jobs anyway.....prison reform......complete campaign reform that would shorten the campaign and give completely equal time to all candidates from all parties and not just cater to the dems and republicans....
 
dviss1 said:
PERFECT RESPONSE.
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To a nonsense scenario. People always say the nutjobs at college are just a small portion of blah blah blah. Well, this is even smaller.

I can personally guarantee you there won't be a civil war over Trump.

But the cool dude with the beard seems worried.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Go talk to the local community college, they could use someone to teach auto body repair that has as much experience as you do.
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A few years ago they talked about cutting the program at the community college. Saved but just barely and they don't pay shit.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
A few years ago they talked about cutting the program at the community college. Saved but just barely and they don't pay shit.
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Tell your boss to make you part owner or you'll take everyone with you and start your own shop.
 
Denny Crane said:
He has done things. The premise that he hasn't is flawed.

By executive order alone, he has slashed numerous regulations that harm business. Business loves it, invests, and grows.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...ive-order-reducing-regulation-and-controlling
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...rder-core-principles-regulating-united-states
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...tive-order-enforcing-regulatory-reform-agenda
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...er-restoring-rule-law-federalism-and-economic
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...r-promoting-energy-independence-and-economi-1
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...er-regarding-omnibus-report-significant-trade
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...ve-order-establishing-enhanced-collection-and
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...order-identifying-and-reducing-tax-regulatory
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...er-implementing-america-first-offshore-energy
etc.

Congress has passed bills that he's signed that are pro business, too.

I don't buy any of the narrative that he's not doing anything. He's ordering about 2.5M executive branch employees to do these pro-growth/pro-business things.

Does the truth matter?
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Executive orders. Yay.

None of that stuff on that list are things he fired up his voting base about. He hasn't done shit and none of that stuff will change. No wall. Still have Obamacare. Hilary's not in jail.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Tell your boss to make you part owner or you'll take everyone with you and start your own shop.
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My company is owned by a huge investment company or hedge fund or something. Huge. They're awesome. They'd ruin me of I tried.

I am going to start working on Teslas. Very technical kill you shit.

The cars are pretty sweet. I am so gonna have to test drive them all.
 
MickZagger said:
Executive orders. Yay.

None of that stuff on that list are things he fired up his voting base about. He hasn't done shit and none of that stuff will change. No wall. Still have Obamacare. Hilary's not in jail.
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Too bad Hillary didn't win, we'd be the solar power world leader and all be retired by now.

Why do you only think one side is full of shit?
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Too bad Hillary didn't win, we'd be the solar power world leader and all be retired by now.

Why do you only think one side is full of shit?
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I'm just as much of Hilary hater as the next guy.

Bernie should have been the President. It was rigged and I'm glad it blew up in the face of Wasserman-Schultz and the powers that be within the Democratic party. Maybe next time around they won't fuck with the system.

Meanwhile, were stuck with this dolt of a President.
 
MickZagger said:
I'm just as much of Hilary hater as the next guy.

Bernie should have been the President. It was rigged and I'm glad it blew up in the face of Wasserman-Schultz and the powers that be within the Democratic party. Maybe next time around they won't fuck with the system.

Meanwhile, were stuck with this dolt of a President.
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Yep. How you determine the lesser of two evils is very subjective.
 
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