CJ got a fracture in his lower back

[CupWizier]

So 29 points on 21 shots followed by 16 points on 17 shots followed by 8 points on 14 shots equals "swiftly eroding offensive game." Wouldn't you say that's a pretty steep decline?

Way to small of sample size as nothing can really be determined in just 2 games and why I said until further evidence in one of my posts.

 

[kjironman1]

Pain is only relevant to a persons tolerance. Maybe McCollum has a high tolerance for pain as until this report came out I don't recall anyone saying it looked like McCollum was lumbering out there, but maybe I missed it. McCollum, like Lillard very seldom sits out games due to an injury. Until further evidence I saw last nights game as one of those nights where nothing was falling for him. Even Lillard has had some of those games,

I agree to a point. You can tolerate pain sure but it still will hinder your ability at some point. Focus, concentration, reaction time and overall stamina will take a hit.
Now on the good side even to the very end of the Dallas game CJ was able to guard well on the last play. He was active. He didn't quit. Just didn't hit a few shots he usually does. If he makes one more mid range and one more three, nobody is saying he had a bad game really.

 

[blazerkor]

Way to small of sample size as nothing can really be determined in just 2 games and why I said until further evidence in one of my posts.

OK, I definitely disagree with you. I can't believe you watched those games and think CJ is just fine. He did not play like he does when he is in a slump, it was something else entirely and I don't understand why you won't admit that, especially when you know he is injured.

 

[blazerkor]

I agree to a point. You can tolerate pain sure but it still will hinder your ability at some point. Focus, concentration, reaction time and overall stamina will take a hit.
Now on the good side even to the very end of the Dallas game CJ was able to guard well on the last play. He was active. He didn't quit. Just didn't hit a few shots he usually does. If he makes one more mid range and one more three, nobody is saying he had a bad game really.

13 points on 14 shots is a bad game, especially for CJ who makes up for his defense with his scoring.

 

[LayneStaley]

I’ve never been a CJ fan and have even debated people in this forum about how Booker for CJ would be a dream come true(2 seasons ago), that being said I don’t believe we make it a series against the Lakers without him. We will need him to carry the team for a game or a quarter here and there.

 

[CupWizier]

I agree to a point. You can tolerate pain sure but it still will hinder your ability at some point. Focus, concentration, reaction time and overall stamina will take a hit.
Now on the good side even to the very end of the Dallas game CJ was able to guard well on the last play. He was active. He didn't quit. Just didn't hit a few shots he usually does. If he makes one more mid range and one more three, nobody is saying he had a bad game really.

and that's why at this time, it could simply be a bad game and a mediocre game before last night. Anyone who has played sports at any level has likely experienced a slump and only McCollum knows how well he can manage any pain. I've seen Lillard go through different stages of slumps. McCollum is one of the most nit picked Blazers by posters we have ever had and as long as he is wearing a Blazer uniform I will continue to root for him plus he is my 5 year old grandson's favorite player and he chose him all on his own. He knows all the players names, positions and uniform numbers and can actually hold a decent conversation about the games.

 

[CupWizier]

OK, I definitely disagree with you. I can't believe you watched those games and think CJ is just fine. He did not play like he does when he is in a slump, it was something else entirely and I don't understand why you won't admit that, especially when you know he is injured.

So answer me this honestly. Before Jaynes came out with the report after the game, did you think MvcCollum was hurt for the last 3 games? And yes, I have watched EVERY minute of every game

 

[blazerkor]

So answer me this honestly. Before Jaynes came out with the report after the game, did you think MvcCollum was hurt for the last 3 games? And yes, I have watched EVERY minute of every game

I couldn't stop talking about how shitty he was playing the last two games that's for sure. I do tend to talk about how I'd rather have Gary starting anyway so me talking shit about CJ sucking isn't great proof but yeah, I thought there was something off about him. He was missing little bunny jumpers he never misses, he missed a few easy layups and several floaters. Anyone can go cold from outside but when CJ gets by someone and has an open look inside he almost always hits it. I actually thought it might have been the pressure of Gary outplaying him but I was wrong, it was just simply an injury. It makes sense, if his core is in constant pain, his body control will be off so once he goes up for any kind of shot he won't have his normal body stability. Dame always says that core stability is the key to making shots inside and out. The problem isn't getting better either as I have pointed out with the numbers.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Rest CJ so we have him against the Lakers

 

[blazerkor]

Rest CJ so we have him against the Lakers

I hear but, if CJ can play effectively (which he hasn't been able to do the past two games) and there is no risk of further injury or prolonging recovery, then I say let CJ make the decision if he wants to play with the pain. If he can help us and everyone else hasn't already lost, which is so unlikely, then we will need him. It's an all hands on deck must win.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

You do realize this is a completely different medical staff in the 1 that was here during the Brandon Roy area right?

Yea, but I've been a fanatical fan through these rollercoasters and can't handle another great Blazer career ended far to early by injury.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I hear but, if CJ can play effectively (which he hasn't been able to do the past two games) and there is no risk of further injury or prolonging recovery, then I say let CJ make the decision if he wants to play with the pain. If he can help us and everyone else hasn't already lost, which is so unlikely, then we will need him. It's an all hands on deck must win.

If CJ isnt scoring he is a black hole I don't want him making that decision, because he will try regardless.

 

[blazerkor]

If CJ isnt scoring he is a black hole I don't want him making that decision, because he will try regardless.

Yeah I think the decision making process has to be first the medical staff, second Stotts (this is where a good coach would hold CJ out because he has been hurting the team) and after that it will be left up to CJ and I am with you he will choose to play, start and play 40 minutes even if he can't throw a beach ball in an ocean.

 

[CupWizier]

I couldn't stop talking about how shitty he was playing the last two games that's for sure. I do tend to talk about how I'd rather have Gary starting anyway so me talking shit about CJ sucking isn't great proof but yeah, I thought there was something off about him. He was missing little bunny jumpers he never misses, he missed a few easy layups and several floaters. Anyone can go cold from outside but when CJ gets by someone and has an open look inside he almost always hits it. I actually thought it might have been the pressure of Gary outplaying him but I was wrong, it was just simply an injury. It makes sense, if his core is in constant pain, his body control will be off so once he goes up for any kind of shot he won't have his normal body stability. Dame always says that core stability is the key to making shots inside and out. The problem isn't getting better either as I have pointed out with the numbers.

Ok, you certainly have your opinion, but i will politely disagree and say the sample size to come to that conclusion is way to small and we haven't heard anything from the team or McCollum regarding this. I'm the kind of person who likes to gather as much evidence that i can to make a conclusion.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Have we heard how this happened in the first place?

 

[ehizzy3]

Right when we were getting healthy (not including hood)

Damn

 

[mook]

It turns out that Ant is better as a reserve, this is obvious. He has a better shooting percentage, three point shooting percentage, true shooting percentage, gets more points per minute played, gets more rebounds per minute played, gets a fraction of an assist less per minutes played when coming off of the bench. I'm obviously not interested in his game that was an outlier and was over a season ago, I'll take these recent numbers and make the common sense and obvious decision to have the better player in GTJ start and Ant come off the bench. Unless I'm looking for the continuity of having another guy starting next to Dame who is undersized for a SG, a bit of a ball hog, likes to pound the rock instead of taking wide open spot up threes and has no clue on defense.

Yeah, I was looking at all 5 games and the stats were massively thrown off by that one phenomenal game. Based on your points, I agree he should come off the bench. Frankly, I think Hezonja has played better than him lately and should sop up more of the bench minutes.

 

[Hoopguru]

Right when we were getting healthy (not including hood)

Damn

yeah, I dont care how one feels about CJ if he's eventually out from injury that hurts as he has proven he can win big games for us. Wouldn't have advanced w/o him last year against Denver.

 

[CupWizier]

yeah, I dont care how one feels about CJ if he's eventually out from injury that hurts as he has proven he can win big games for us. Wouldn't have advanced w/o him last year against Denver.

He had a huge game in the first game against Memphis in the bubble. Losing that game would have us looking on the outside right now and not in control of our destination.