Rumor CJ McCollum for Jahlil Okafor

[Cippy91]

Here go the incredibly stupid rumors and suggestions. CJ for Jahlil would be the dumbest possible move you could make. We have the second best back court in the damn league.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Kings have Joerger not Vogel @Fonzthecpt1

 

[Natebishop3]

Look at his current situation, they've tried to show him that he's the Alpha by firing every coach under the sun who doesn't see eye to eye with him. I never really felt that Cousins was too much of a problem until he ran Karl out of town, who has lead teams to the playofffs 22/27 seasons as a head coach, including 1 finals appearance and three conference finals appearances. I don't think Karl is one of the all time coaches, but if he can't last more than a season next to Cousins than I consider that to be a massive red flag.

Don't forget Karl is also a guy responsible for shaping our very own Terry Stotts.

We will be able to tell how legit Cousins is after one season with Vogel as coach. If they retain Rondo they should absolutely make the playoffs under Vogel {in my opinion}. Anything less = trade Cousins to whoever is willing to give you their pudding pop in return.

Someone is going to give them a really nice piece. LA was willing to deal Randle and their lotto pick last year. I guess Sac probably should have done it?

 

[PDXFonz]

Someone is going to give them a really nice piece. LA was willing to deal Randle and their lotto pick last year. I guess Sac probably should have done it?

Probably, but what they likely should have done is kept Karl as coach and traded Cousins. Don't forget Cousins was suspended for an on court interaction with Karl. Ultimately Ranadive chose Cousins over Karl, which leads to my previous point - This season is going to be very interesting for the Kings. Cousins has enough talent that they should have been in playoff contention the last 2 seasons, which I think in part is why he is so frustrated. In that sense you could be right, putting him in a more successful situation could improve his attitude, but I'm still not sure I wan't our team to be the one to take that risk.

If you were to take a risk (with even trade off) on Howard/Cousins it absolutely be Cousins. But the fact of the matter is that, at least for the moment, Cousins comes at a much higher price.

For what it's worth I put Cousins and Howard in the same category because I think they have similar risk/reward. Cousins is definitely the better player of the two right now, but both come with big question marks.

 

[PDXFonz]

Kings have Joerger not Vogel @Fonzthecpt1

Thanks for the correct. Makes a difference as Joerger is arguably more prepared to deal with the ego after coaching players like Randolph/Stephenson (Granted the latter did not work out well, but still Joerger seems to have gotten the most production out of him).

Kind of makes you wonder if they brought Joerger in as a last result...

Do you guys think they will fire Joerger before trading Cousins? Or is this Cousins last chance to get it right with that organization?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Thanks for the correct. Makes a difference as Joerger is arguably more prepared to deal with the ego after coaching players like Randolph/Stephenson (Granted the latter did not work out well, but still Joerger seems to have gotten the most production out of him).

Kind of makes you wonder if they brought Joerger in as a last result...

Do you guys think they will fire Joerger before trading Cousins? Or is this Cousins last chance to get it right with that organization?

Last chance for Cousins.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

 

[H.C.]

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The more I see of Okafor the more I see a superstar big man with a smooth game. I might consider CJ for Okafor, it's rare you see a 6"11 275lb 7"6 wingspan big able to take people off the dribble or go coast to coast.(Which is what the last vine shows)
Taking people off the dribble is rare for someone of his size.
Also - Okafor in January had a better defensive rating than AD, Drummond, Howard, Chandler and was only .3 points worse than his teammate Noel.
I read somewhere that Okafor was a better defender at the rim than projected if you look at the numbers. But I don't know how to look this up.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

https://vine.co/v/eLMMbxqUhjO


The more I see of Okafor the more I see a superstar big man with a smooth game. I might consider CJ for Okafor, it's rare you see a 6"11 275lb 7"6 wingspan big able to take people off the dribble or go coast to coast.(Which is what the last vine shows)
Taking people off the dribble is rare for someone of his size.
Also - Okafor in January had a better defensive rating than AD, Drummond, Howard, Chandler and was only .3 points worse than his teammate Noel.
I read somewhere that Okafor was a better defender at the rim than projected if you look at the numbers. But I don't know how to look this up.

He is awesome on O for sure! but I wouldn't say one good month makes you a good defender.

Search "Okafor on Defense" on Google and you get a lot of articles. Here is one: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...jahlil-okafor-got-game----just-not-on-defense

 

[H.C.]

He is awesome on O for sure! but I wouldn't say one good month makes you a good defender.

Search "Okafor on Defense" on Google and you get a lot of articles. Here is one: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...jahlil-okafor-got-game----just-not-on-defense

I'm aware he's poor in the pick and roll. It's not like the Blazers hang back and give up a midrange shot anyway in the pick and roll.
CJ is no defensive stopper himself... And doesn't really have the tools to be one.

Okafor will be 21 at the start of next year and looks to have all the tools.
Do I want to trade CJ? no But for Okafor you have to at least consider it.

 

[Sarni]

His defence is not the best but it's not completely terrible either. I'd hope it wouldn't take CJ to price him away from Philly but I don't see which of our remaining assets could do the trick here - they won't want to take Plumlee as it would still create a problem of riches at center position, Crabbe would be their starting SG but still does not have enough value, then you are looking at players like Vonleh or Davis whose value is far below Okafor's. As much as I'd like Okafor here I don't see how we do this without getting the price too high.

Well do it NBA 2k way - sign DeRozan for max contract, then trade him and Plumlee to Sixers for Noel and Okafor. I actually think they could still work together at some point.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

His defence is not the best but it's not completely terrible either. I'd hope it wouldn't take CJ to price him away from Philly but I don't see which of our remaining assets could do the trick here - they won't want to take Plumlee as it would still create a problem of riches at center position, Crabbe would be their starting SG but still does not have enough value, then you are looking at players like Vonleh or Davis whose value is far below Okafor's. As much as I'd like Okafor here I don't see how we do this without getting the price too high.

Well do it NBA 2k way - sign DeRozan for max contract, then trade him and Plumlee to Sixers for Noel and Okafor. I actually think they could still work together at some point.

Sign and trades don't work that way. You can't sign a player and trade him to another team unless it was your own player. And you can't trade even your own player in that situation to another team if you add a player with him.

 

[oldfisherman]

The offense of Dame, Okafor & CJ would shock other team’s defenses into straight jackets. Dame & Okafor would not.


Blazers only trade for Okafor if both Dame & CJ stay.

 

[Reep]

I love CJ's game, but it is a lot easier to get someone who can create their own shot from the SG spot than it is to find a dominant low post scorer with tons of upside. I would certainly consider pulling the trigger.

 

[H.C.]

I was wrong though. Okafor won't turn 21 until December 15th 2016. So he'll start the 16-17 season as a 20 year old.
Personally Okafor > #1 or #2 pick in this years draft.

Wouldn't give up much more than CJ if I did. But... It's not a horrible trade for the Blazers given the weaknesses this team has.

 

[Natebishop3]

Okafor looks small.

 

[BonesJones]

Sign and trades don't work that way. You can't sign a player and trade him to another team unless it was your own player. And you can't trade even your own player in that situation to another team if you add a player with him.

Notice how he said the "2K Way"

 

[Denny Crane]

The offense of Dame, Okafor & CJ would shock other team’s defenses into straight jackets. Dame & Okafor would not.


Blazers only trade for Okafor if both Dame & CJ stay.

Dame, Crabbe, and Okafor.

But I honestly don't see this trade happening.

 

[blue9]

I love CJ's game, but it is a lot easier to get someone who can create their own shot from the SG spot than it is to find a dominant low post scorer with tons of upside. I would certainly consider pulling the trigger.

Is it? I feel like the NBA is at an all-time low when it comes to wing talent.

CJ
Harden (blech)
Wade (old as dirt)
DeRozan (blech)
Crawford (6th man, not starter)

Who are the other SGs that can create their own shot?

 

[Denny Crane]

Is it? I feel like the NBA is at an all-time low when it comes to wing talent.

CJ
Harden (blech)
Wade (old as dirt)
DeRozan (blech)
Crawford (6th man, not starter)

Who are the other SGs that can create their own shot?

Jimmy Butler. Monta Ellis. Jason Terry. Tyreke Evans.

Quite a few. I'm not interested in creating a comprehensive list...

 

[blue9]

Jimmy Butler. Monta Ellis. Jason Terry. Tyreke Evans.

Quite a few. I'm not interested in creating a comprehensive list...

Totally spaced on Butler - one of the few guys I've considered as a good CJ trade target.
Ellis (blech, not quite as old as dirt but getting close)
Terry (bench player, old as dirt...and does he even create for himself anymore? seems like he's almost entirely a spot-up shooter)
Evans (never liked the guy, best suited to a bench role)

 

[oldfisherman]

Dame, Crabbe, and Okafor.

But I honestly don't see this trade happening.

This is going to be painful to say. BUT.

Crabbe can NOT create his own shot. Nor does he create shot opportunities for others (not a playmaker like CJ). He ranks near the bottom for both SGs & SFs for Defensive real plus/minus. He does not draw fouls, but commits many unnecessary ones.

Crabbe is a one trick pony; he can shoot from long range. He is not a starting caliber player for a playoff team.

I would like to re-sign Crabbe, if the price is right. However, I doubt he will be a Blazer next season due to some GM overpaying him.

Trading CJ for Okafor creates a much bigger problem @ SG then it solves @ C.

 

[H.C.]

This is going to be painful to say. BUT.

Crabbe can NOT create his own shot. Nor does he create shot opportunities for others (not a playmaker like CJ). He ranks near the bottom for both SGs & SFs for Defensive real plus/minus. He does not draw fouls, but commits many unnecessary ones.

Crabbe is a one trick pony; he can shoot from long range. He is not a starting caliber player for a playoff team.

I would like to re-sign Crabbe, if the price is right. However, I doubt he will be a Blazer next season due to some GM overpaying him.

Trading CJ for Okafor creates a much bigger problem @ SG then it solves @ C.

Stopped reading when you said that.
http://www.basketball-reference.com...edicjj01&y2=2016&p2=crabbal01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=
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Redick vs Crabbe

 

[blue9]

This is going to be painful to say. BUT.

Crabbe can NOT create his own shot. Nor does he create shot opportunities for others (not a playmaker like CJ). He ranks near the bottom for both SGs & SFs for Defensive real plus/minus. He does not draw fouls, but commits many unnecessary ones.

Crabbe is a one trick pony; he can shoot from long range. He is not a starting caliber player for a playoff team.

I would like to re-sign Crabbe, if the price is right. However, I doubt he will be a Blazer next season due to some GM overpaying him.

Trading CJ for Okafor creates a much bigger problem @ SG then it solves @ C.

Hmmmm, while I agree he doesn't create shots for others I remember many occasions where he shot off the dribble - and he usually canned the shots.

 

[oldfisherman]

Stopped reading when you said that.
http://www.basketball-reference.com...edicjj01&y2=2016&p2=crabbal01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=
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Redick vs Crabbe

Not sure what your point is? I would pick JJ Redick over Crabbe everyday.

Not only is JJ much better 3 pt shooter, but Crabbe will cost twice as much, or more, next season than JJ will.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Not sure what your point is? I would pick JJ Redick over Crabbe everyday.

Not only is JJ much better 3 pt shooter, but Crabbe will cost twice as much, or more, next season than JJ will.

Lots of 31 year olds have as much potential as 23 year olds yeah? No? Well then. Case closed.

 

[oldfisherman]

Lots of 31 year olds have as much potential as 23 year olds yeah? No? Well then. Case closed.

You make a valid point, but you also miss my point.

Crabbe’s “potential” is going to be sold at a very high blue sky price. And I will be happy for his big payday.

If the price is right, I would keep Crabbe, and give him more development time. At this time he is a nice spark off of the bench.

But, it is more realistic that a lottery team offers Crabbe a big contract and a starting position. The Kings are the first team to come mind. So I doubt he will be a Blazer next season. Crabbe is going to get overpaid = bad contract.

 

[Sinobas]

Pass. Would have to be Okafor plus their #1.

 

[Sinobas]

This is going to be painful to say. BUT.

Crabbe can NOT create his own shot. Nor does he create shot opportunities for others (not a playmaker like CJ). He ranks near the bottom for both SGs & SFs for Defensive real plus/minus. He does not draw fouls, but commits many unnecessary ones.

Crabbe is a one trick pony; he can shoot from long range. He is not a starting caliber player for a playoff team.

I would like to re-sign Crabbe, if the price is right. However, I doubt he will be a Blazer next season due to some GM overpaying him.

Trading CJ for Okafor creates a much bigger problem @ SG then it solves @ C.

Crabbe is nice bench player but that's it. I don't understand why any Blazer fan that watch the Blazers play last season thinks that Crabbe could in any way/shape/form replace CJ. He'd be one of the worst starting SGs in the league.

 

[H.C.]

Not sure what your point is? I would pick JJ Redick over Crabbe everyday.

Not only is JJ much better 3 pt shooter, but Crabbe will cost twice as much, or more, next season than JJ will.

Because Crabbe is a poor 3point shooter? lol.

People consider JJ a quality starting guard in the league.
Crabbe's numbers are fairly comparable to his.
Therefore Crabbe is a quality starting 2 in the league.
I thought this point was obvious ~

JJ shoots a tad better from 3, Crabbe is a better defender... By a lot.
How often does JJ defend the teams best wing?
How often does Crabbe defend the teams best wing?
Numbers don't include who you're guarding.