Rumor CJ McCollum for Jahlil Okafor

[H.C.]

Pass. Would have to be Okafor plus their #1.

definition of over valuing a player on your fav team.

 

[oldfisherman]

Because Crabbe is a poor 3point shooter? lol.

People consider JJ a quality starting guard in the league.
Crabbe's numbers are fairly comparable to his.
Therefore Crabbe is a quality starting 2 in the league.
I thought this point was obvious ~

JJ shoots a tad better from 3, Crabbe is a better defender... By a lot.
How often does JJ defend the teams best wing?
How often does Crabbe defend the teams best wing?
Numbers don't include who you're guarding.

JJ is a much better 3 pt shooter, by a lot.
JJ has a much higher BBIQ than Crabbe.

You are overrating Crabbe’s defense, and underrating JJs.
The correct point here for you to have made is Crabbe’s defense is slowing improving. But it has been so bad for his wingspan @ SG that he has nowhere to go but up. JJ’s defense has peaked, and probably will start to decline in the near future.

Crabbe is not a starting caliber player, let alone a quality starter.

 

[Sinobas]

definition of over valuing a player on your fav team.

Not. CJ is a better player than Okafor right now. If they really want CJ they'd need to add something to the pot.

 

[H.C.]

JJ is a much better 3 pt shooter, by a lot.
JJ has a much higher BBIQ than Crabbe.

You are overrating Crabbe’s defense, and underrating JJs.
The correct point here for you to have made is Crabbe’s defense is slowing improving. But it has been so bad for his wingspan @ SG that he has nowhere to go but up. JJ’s defense has peaked, and probably will start to decline in the near future.

Crabbe is not a starting caliber player, let alone a quality starter.

One player shot 40% from three in the Blazers offense.
One player shot 47% from three in the Clippers offense.
Not that much of a difference considering offenses and the looks JJ gets due to the different offenses...

I'm not underrating, or overrating anyone.
I'm stating fact.
JJ is hidden in their defense due to CP3/Luc Mbah Moute/DJ. If someone can't see how playing with those three players doesn't help JJ defensively then...
JJ outside of his worse defensive season, JJ has always played with an elite shot blocker.(when Orlando lost Howard he had his worst defensive season)
JJ on defense is always defending the worse offensive player. Similar to what the Suns did with Nash.
Crabbe is never hidden defensively like JJ is. Nor does he get the room to shoot JJ does by big screeners.(Howard/Davis/Griffin/DJ to name a few.)
JJ can shoot and no one is underselling it. But to say he's a much better shooter than someone who shot 40% from deep this year is kinda silly.
However to even think JJ is even on the same level as Crabbe defensively is insane.

Not. CJ is a better player than Okafor right now. If they really want CJ they'd need to add something to the pot.

CJ is not worth Okafor + #1 pick. He's a borderline All-Star, but he wouldn't get a Superstar's value.
I doubt he's even worth what the Wolves got from the Cavs.

 

[oldfisherman]

One player shot 40% from three in the Blazers offense.
One player shot 47% from three in the Clippers offense.
Not that much of a difference considering offenses and the looks JJ gets due to the different offenses...

I'm not underrating, or overrating anyone.
I'm stating fact.
JJ is hidden in their defense due to CP3/Luc Mbah Moute/DJ. If someone can't see how playing with those three players doesn't help JJ defensively then...
JJ outside of his worse defensive season, JJ has always played with an elite shot blocker.(when Orlando lost Howard he had his worst defensive season)
JJ on defense is always defending the worse offensive player. Similar to what the Suns did with Nash.
Crabbe is never hidden defensively like JJ is. Nor does he get the room to shoot JJ does by big screeners.(Howard/Davis/Griffin/DJ to name a few.)
JJ can shoot and no one is underselling it. But to say he's a much better shooter than someone who shot 40% from deep this year is kinda silly.
However to even think JJ is even on the same level as Crabbe defensively is insane.




CJ is not worth Okafor + #1 pick. He's a borderline All-Star, but he wouldn't get a Superstar's value.
I doubt he's even worth what the Wolves got from the Cavs.

So now I am insane?
Possible, until now, I have only been a dyslectic idiot savant with Alzheimer’s.

Hard for me to believe Crabbe is now a starting caliber player. Let alone a quality starter.
I realize the talent level in the NBA has been diluted. But by that much?

 

[Sarni]

Sign and trades don't work that way. You can't sign a player and trade him to another team unless it was your own player. And you can't trade even your own player in that situation to another team if you add a player with him.

Yep I know. That's why I said 2k.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Kanter.
Monroe.

Neil is looking for a low-post scorer. Okafor would be too expensive. You want to add talent *with* Dame and CJ.

If you can get past his foot/knee issues Zubac would be a cheaper alternative. He's basically the Croatian Al Jefferson.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

One player shot 40% from three in the Blazers offense.
One player shot 47% from three in the Clippers offense.
Not that much of a difference considering offenses and the looks JJ gets due to the different offenses...

I'm not underrating, or overrating anyone.
I'm stating fact.
JJ is hidden in their defense due to CP3/Luc Mbah Moute/DJ. If someone can't see how playing with those three players doesn't help JJ defensively then...
JJ outside of his worse defensive season, JJ has always played with an elite shot blocker.(when Orlando lost Howard he had his worst defensive season)
JJ on defense is always defending the worse offensive player. Similar to what the Suns did with Nash.
Crabbe is never hidden defensively like JJ is. Nor does he get the room to shoot JJ does by big screeners.(Howard/Davis/Griffin/DJ to name a few.)
JJ can shoot and no one is underselling it. But to say he's a much better shooter than someone who shot 40% from deep this year is kinda silly.
However to even think JJ is even on the same level as Crabbe defensively is insane.




CJ is not worth Okafor + #1 pick. He's a borderline All-Star, but he wouldn't get a Superstar's value.
I doubt he's even worth what the Wolves got from the Cavs.

47% is absolutely much better than 40%, and I'd bet that Reddick took and made more contested threes than Crabbe too. And Crabbe really is only slightly better at defense than Reddick. Crabbe is not close to being an elite defender at all.

Edit: If you round their percentages correctly, it's actually 39% and 48%. How you can say that's not a big difference is beyond me. Is Crabbe only a slightly better three point shooter than Harkless?

 

[PHXBlazer1]

We're not trading CJ.

 

[H.C.]

47% is absolutely much better than 40%, and I'd bet that Reddick took and made more contested threes than Crabbe too. And Crabbe really is only slightly better at defense than Reddick. Crabbe is not close to being an elite defender at all.

Edit: If you round their percentages correctly, it's actually 39% and 48%. How you can say that's not a big difference is beyond me. Is Crabbe only a slightly better three point shooter than Harkless?

The moment when a proper response = quoting the previous post you wrote and posting it again.
You're ignoring facts because they don't fit into your box.
Sorry but I'm taking everything into consideration.
Have a nice day.
In 2010 Steve Nash shut down the prolific scorer Nicolas Batum in the playoffs. Holding him well below his regular season scoring average of 10.1ppg.
To only allowing 8.2ppg out of the prolific scorer. How Nash didn't even make first team all defense this year. He proved it was a huge snub in the playoffs against Batum.

Hard for me to believe Crabbe is now a starting caliber player. Let alone a quality starter.
I realize the talent level in the NBA has been diluted. But by that much?

Yes the shooting guard or off guard talent level has been diluted that much.
For example Jalen Rose would prolly be a fringe all-star if he played today.
Not a fringe starter like he was for most of his career.
Oh, heres one that would have a hard time starting in yesterday's NBA but he got a max deal this off season.
Wesley Matthews signed a 4 year / $70,060,026 contract with the Dallas Mavericks, including $70,060,026 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $17,515,007.
Gerald Henderson started for how many years, and when he came to portland.. The thought process was, who would start. Hendo or CJ?
The 2 guard position is greatly diluted. Allen Crabbe in his first real NBA season, showed he deserves more PT and you could do worse than Crabbe as a starter.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

The moment when a proper response = quoting the previous post you wrote and posting it again.
You're ignoring facts because they don't fit into your box.
Sorry but I'm taking everything into consideration.
Have a nice day.
In 2010 Steve Nash shut down the prolific scorer Nicolas Batum in the playoffs. Holding him well below his regular season scoring average of 10.1ppg.
To only allowing 8.2ppg out of the prolific scorer. How Nash didn't even make first team all defense this year. He proved it was a huge snub in the playoffs against Batum.

That was my first post in this thread.

And you're obviously one ignoring facts. Namely, the fact that Reddick is a much better shooter than Crabbe.

 

[Denny Crane]

That was my first post in this thread.

And you're obviously one ignoring facts. Namely, the fact that Reddick is a much better shooter than Crabbe.

Yeah, he is. But Crabbe is still a very good shooter.

 

[dviss1]

Hmmmm, while I agree he doesn't create shots for others I remember many occasions where he shot off the dribble - and he usually canned the shots.

A one dribble pull up in my opinion is not creating your own shot. It's simply the fake of a jump shot.

 

[Rhal]

That was my first post in this thread.

And you're obviously one ignoring facts. Namely, the fact that Reddick is a much better shooter than Crabbe.

Actually if you look at their first 3 years then Crabbe is basically on par with Reddick as a shooter from 3 and much better from 2. You can actually take it farther and compare Crabbes first three years to Reddicks first five and Crabbe still isn't left behind as a shooter.
Crabbe: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crabbal01.html
Reddick: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/redicjj01.html

 

[BigGameDamian]

Actually if you look at their first 3 years then Crabbe is basically on par with Reddick as a shooter from 3 and much better from 2. You can actually take it farther and compare Crabbes first three years to Reddicks first five and Crabbe still isn't left behind as a shooter.
Crabbe: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crabbal01.html
Reddick: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/redicjj01.html

Nice, again is Crabbe good enough for becoming starting 2 guard and making CJ expandable?

 

[Pinwheel1]

A one dribble pull up in my opinion is not creating your own shot. It's simply the fake of a jump shot.

I agree to a point. CJ is obviously better at creating his own shot. He is better at it then most SG's in the league.

I will say Crabbe is more than a just a 3 & D guy. He does have the ability to put the ball on the floor and pull up with a mid range shot, something that players like Rudy never did very well....at least not against NBA talent. But I think Crabbe is better suited to playing SF next to two guards who can handle the ball.

We need as many ball handlers on the court as possible. Aminu is not a good ball handler for a SF, but he is for a PF. Plumlee is a good ball handler for a center. I like our small lineup of Dame, CJ, Crabbe, Aminu, and Plumlee. That line up might not be ideal against all teams, but against teams who trap........it's better than we have had in a while.

 

[BonesJones]

Nice, again is Crabbe good enough for becoming starting 2 guard and making CJ expandable?

so if Kevin Durant has a backup SF that is capable of starting does that mean Durant is expendable? No.

Just because Crabbe is a good 6th man doesn't mean we should trade our 2nd best player/borderline all-star. Your logic sucks

 

[BBert]

Nice, again is Crabbe good enough for becoming starting 2 guard and making CJ expandable?

No

 

[Rhal]

Nice, again is Crabbe good enough for becoming starting 2 guard and making CJ expandable?

Not enough time seeing them both play extended minutes to come to any conclusion. They both also play the same position but bring vastly different skill sets. Crabbe is more a 3 and D guy, can't really create his own shot and his passing/dribbling is suspect. CJ has great handles, good 3p shooter can create his own shot and isn't afraid of going to the basket and great at getting space from screens. At the moment it doesn't hurt to have them both since Crabbe is big enough to play some minutes at the 3, just not extended minutes there.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Why is this thread still alive?

 

[Denny Crane]

Boston #3 for Okafor is a rumor I have read.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Why is this thread still alive?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

 

[BonesJones]

Rumor: Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight and #4 to Philadelphia for Jahlil Okafor, #1 pick.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Link?

 

[BonesJones]

Rumor: Fez Hammersticks to Joes Crab Shack (JCS) for some fishsticks.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Not enough time seeing them both play extended minutes to come to any conclusion. They both also play the same position but bring vastly different skill sets. Crabbe is more a 3 and D guy, can't really create his own shot and his passing/dribbling is suspect. CJ has great handles, good 3p shooter can create his own shot and isn't afraid of going to the basket and great at getting space from screens. At the moment it doesn't hurt to have them both since Crabbe is big enough to play some minutes at the 3, just not extended minutes there.

Keep in mind he has a 6'11 1/4" wing span and a 8'7 1/2" standing reach. When you compare that to Harkless, it is pretty close. (Harkless has 3/4" advantage in wingspan but Crabbe has an inch advantage in standing reach)

I admit he would have issues with LBJ and Durant, but against most teams I think he can play extended minutes.

 

[Sarni]

Rumor: Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight and #4 to Philadelphia for Jahlil Okafor, #1 pick.

No way Sixers should do that. With 4 you're drafting Buddy Hield which is another backcourt player or Dragan Bender who's too rough to make an immediate impact in the league unless he's another Porzingis, maybe Kris Dunn or Jamal Murray but they're point guards too.

For Sixers there are many ways how they can contend from here. If Embiid turns out as good as they suppose he is (I've seen some workout and he seems to have worked on shooting, apparently he's the best mid-range and 3-point shooter in the team), and they're expecting him to be near Towns level of awesome, then they will be trading one of their big man in the Summer. IMO it makes most sense to offer Noel for D'Angelo Russell, I reckon Lakers could well go for it if they get DeRozan in free agency as their backcourt would be Clarkson + DeRozan and Noel would add long awaited presence at the rim.

Then you're trying to fit Okafor and Embiid in one team. I didn't think it'd work but if Embiid is as good a mid-range shooter as they say then it's possible to have Okafor at PF and Embiid as C. Okafor's mid-range jumper has improved a lot during last season too.

They draft Simmons, then in free agency they make a run at shooting guards - I think Crabbe looks like the best option for them and if they max him I'm not sure we'll max.

Russell, Crabbe, Simmons, Okafor, Embiid - that's one hell of a line up with great upside. Sixers are still going to suck for 2-3 years but when all these players develop they'll be good to go in the East. That will probably coincide with LeBron's decline too.

I am still hoping they want Crabbe badly enough and we match, then offer Crabbe, Plumlee and a pick for Okafor.

 

[Strenuus]

Nice, again is Crabbe good enough for becoming starting 2 guard and making CJ expandable?

Stop falling in love with players.

 

[H.C.]

That was my first post in this thread.

And you're obviously one ignoring facts. Namely, the fact that Reddick is a much better shooter than Crabbe.

I said, I could quote my previous post as as response.
I suppose I could have said. previous post I wrote. But I didn't think it would be too hard to figure out I was talking about my previous post.
It's clear now what I said right?


I'm not going to repeat myself, if you think i'm ignoring the fact that JJ shot 47% which is better than Crabbe's 40%.... Then I have to question if you've read my post before quoting me.

One player shot 40% from three in the Blazers offense.
One player shot 47% from three in the Clippers offense.
Not that much of a difference considering offenses and the looks JJ gets due to the different offenses...

But I'm not sure how this turned into an argument. The point that I made still stands.
JJ is a quality off guard, and Crabbe has comparable numbers to his.