CJ McCollum is Jamal Crawford

[oldmangrouch]

I was only posting a hypothetical.


Gillette, of course.

Now, if somebody called *me* a tool, I'd know just what they meant. A fleshlight - ingenious but horrifying!

 

[illmatic99]

All without Dame:









Like, we're not blind here, right? This guy looks like a different player when he's the lead guard. Are we certain that Terry is maximizing him?

 

[handiman]

I've been searching on and off all day on bball ref and nba.com to no avail. Does anyone know where we can find CJ's stats as starting PG?

He has looked absolutely dominant in some of the games I remember when Dame was out. Like @ OKC last year or a MIN/SAC game. I'm scared that he'll be another Oladipo.

I always said CJ and Dame were comparable players, one being the SG/PG equivalent to the other's PG/SG. CJ was very capable of running the point, contrary to the memory of many. Unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed. Whether it be the role CJ has settled or been established into, a decline in the more well-rounded aspects of his game, or my half-serious comments that rep'ing Chinese shoes killed his game, I just don't see him being that player anymore. I also said Portland management would be scared to move either one, and now it's looking like they waited too long.

 

[illmatic99]

You know what, I'm just gonna pull the stats together. There aren't that many games.

 

[riverman]

Now, if somebody called *me* a tool, I'd know just what they meant. A fleshlight - ingenious but horrifying!

well if I am a tool it's got to be a jack hammer

 

[illmatic99]

Alright here it is: I found 20 games in which CJ has played without Dame over the past three years.

CJ is averaging 26.9 pts, 4.9 rebs, 5.3 asts, 2.8 TO in 36.4 mpg.

For good measure: I found a TS% calculator. CJ is at 57%.

That's no Jamal Crawford.

 

[TBpup]

All without Dame:

Like, we're not blind here, right? This guy looks like a different player when he's the lead guard. Are we certain that Terry is maximizing him?

Which is why I've contended all along that they are not a good pairing but that CJ would actually be quite good on his own.

 

[illmatic99]

Which is why I've contended all along that they are not a good pairing but that CJ would actually be quite good on his own.

They're just not being maximized. I'm putting this on Terry.

To compare to CJ's stats that I posted above, here are Dame's numbers so far this year:
26.0 pts, 4.5 rebs, 6.1 asts, 2.8 tos in 35.3 mpg. 58.7% TS%

Those numbers are shockingly identical. Ain't no way I'm moving a guy who can put up those kinds of numbers for a salary dump like people have suggested here. Especially without seeing what a different coach can do. I have long said that the two don't share a synergistic relationship. Well, CJ's numbers without Dame indicate that Dame is actually hindering CJ. That's on the coach!

Edit:

I took this one step further. Here are all the players in the last 20 yrs who have done what CJ did in the 20 games w/o Dame:

 

[Rhal]

oh for chrissakes, there it is again. "CJ is in a slump" is this place's version of bop-a-mole. It's been debunked a dozen times but it keeps coming back

* how is his shooting in a slump? TS% = 2014-15 .534 2015-16 .544 2016-17 .585 2017-18 .536 2018-19 .538.....he's right at his norms in shooting efficiency. Yeah, his 3ptFG% is down, but his 2ptFG% is a career high

* how is his playmaking a slump? assists/36 =2015-16 4.4 2016-17 3.7 2017-18 3.3 2018-19 2.8 .....that's not s slump, that's a 4 year trend-line of increasing selfishness

it's entirely possible the rest of the NBA has wised-up on how to play CJ and he just doesn't have the depth of skills to elevate his game




* Redd had 4 seasons of 20 or above in PER; CJ has had none
* Redd had 6 seasons with a TS% above 55%; CJ has had 1
* Redd had 9 seasons with a FT rate above .250. CJ has had none
* Redd's career winshare/48 mark is .134; CJ's best season was .131

I do agree they are kind of similar players. Neither possess the court vision to be good passers and both have black-hole traits. And both were/are defensive liabilities. Redd was better though

His season AVGs are still fine except for the falling off a cliff from his 3p but just watching the games you can tell he is in one. The last 24 games the blazers have played, not counting the one he sat out, CJ has 13 where he didn't' score 20 points. 11 under 35% shooting, 15 where he is shooting under his season avg for 3. He isn't as comfortable from 3 this year and that is a big deal, our opponents know it as they have defending him differently as well.

 

[Bruno_Sabino]

Cj is way better

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

cough cough! Are mods allowed to make personal insults? Hell I couldn't even call someone clueless when they obviously were. I demand a court hearing.

Is it a personal insult if he’s insulting two of you at once? heh.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I request that either wizenheimer or CupWizier change their screen name. I get so confused as to which one of you guys I agree with and which one is the tool.

They're both imposters!!!
I am the real tool!

 

[Propagandist]

They're just not being maximized. I'm putting this on Terry.

To compare to CJ's stats that I posted above, here are Dame's numbers so far this year:
26.0 pts, 4.5 rebs, 6.1 asts, 2.8 tos in 35.3 mpg. 58.7% TS%

Those numbers are shockingly identical. Ain't no way I'm moving a guy who can put up those kinds of numbers for a salary dump like people have suggested here. Especially without seeing what a different coach can do. I have long said that the two don't share a synergistic relationship. Well, CJ's numbers without Dame indicate that Dame is actually hindering CJ. That's on the coach!

Edit:

I took this one step further. Here are all the players in the last 20 yrs who have done what CJ did in the 20 games w/o Dame:
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So, you're saying that this should be a Fire Stotts Now thread? It's a compelling argument. I'm so so fatigued of watching iso McCollum, I actually don't understand how Stotts isn't asked about it more often.

 

[CupWizier]

Is it a personal insult if he’s insulting two of you at once? heh.

Good point

TWO STRIKES ON PLATY !!!!!!!

 

[THE HCP]

I second this^

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I second this^

If anyone would know seconds... (sloppy, or otherwise)

 

[wizenheimer]

If anyone would know seconds... (sloppy, or otherwise)

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I request that either wizenheimer or CupWizier change their screen name. I get so confused as to which one of you guys I agree with and which one is the tool.

Hahahahaha. Really?

 

[ripcityboy]

I was going to defend CJ but then I realized he makes 25 million a year and has an absolutely smoking hot wife. So now I am not going to defend CJ. He's doing alright by himself.

 

[Mediocre Man]

CJ McCollchuck?

CJ Chuckollum?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

CJ McCollchuck?

CJ Chuckollum?

CJ Chuck-all-'em

 

[H.C.]

A young Crawful was far more athletic than CJ ever has/will be.
The only comparison here is how streaky Crawful & CJ can be. Rest of it is a no.

 

[mook]

Alright here it is: I found 20 games in which CJ has played without Dame over the past three years.

CJ is averaging 26.9 pts, 4.9 rebs, 5.3 asts, 2.8 TO in 36.4 mpg.

For good measure: I found a TS% calculator. CJ is at 57%.

That's no Jamal Crawford.

I had no idea. That's actually a really interesting find. Maybe he's got more trade value than I give him credit for. We clearly aren't (and probably can't) using him to his full potential.

 

[riverman]

If anyone would know seconds... (sloppy, or otherwise)

If you're talkin' HCP you're correct

 

[Mediocre Man]

CJ Chuck-all-'em

Ya, that's better

 

[Hoopguru]

Which is why I've contended all along that they are not a good pairing but that CJ would actually be quite good on his own.

Thats also why if they consider trading him they want star value back at a position that improves the team.

 

[illmatic99]

Thats also why if they consider trading him they want star value back at a position that improves the team.

And also why Bill Simmons on his trade value column had him at 29th in the whole league ahead of guys like Derozan, Holiday, etc.

 

[handiman]

I had no idea. That's actually a really interesting find. Maybe he's got more trade value than I give him credit for. We clearly aren't (and probably can't) using him to his full potential.

Everyone must have me on ignore for harping on the fact before it was a popular topic... I've been saying for like 4 years, CJ and Dame are redundant players that will keep the franchise from succeeding to the level their individual talents would suggest.

 

[wizenheimer]

And also why Bill Simmons on his trade value column had him at 29th in the whole league ahead of guys like Derozan, Holiday, etc.

lol...the reason Simmons had him that high is because he doesn't watch him every game.

 

[HailBlazers]

lol...the reason Simmons had him that high is because he doesn't watch him every game.

A guy that can create his own shot at will is more valuable than any stats you can conjure up say to the contrary.