CJ McCollum is Jamal Crawford

[wizenheimer]

Collins was the 10th pick and has 2.5 years left on his deal. CJ still has Oladipo pre-Indiana value. That is my point and the point of the post you were responding to.

ok then...I missed what you were getting at, sorry about that

CJ + Zach? sure Portland would need to get a good return for that. But I don't see any players in the circumstance PG13 was in 19 months ago, and who are as good as PG13

but again, it seems pretty clear Olshey wasn't offering a package like that then, and considering CJ and Zach are likely Olshey's two favorite players, I'm confident he wouldn't consider trading them now. Maybe he surprises me...after all, reports are he's being "aggressive"

 

[wizenheimer]

Look at this thread: http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/paul-george-to-okc.316690/

People were considering Oladipo and his contract worse than Allen Crabbe and his. VO was awful and generally considered to have a shit contract before going to Indy.



Rumored to be a deal surrounding Harkless.

lol...Quick went on record to say that Oladipo was not a good player. I remember it. So of course he'd think Portland's "offer" was better.

 

[illmatic99]

lol...Quick went on record to say that Oladipo was not a good player. I remember it. So of course he'd think Portland's "offer" was better.

Everyone did. Except apparently you when you saw this Oladipo MIP, all NBA season coming.

 

[wizenheimer]

Everyone did. Except apparently you when you saw this Oladipo MIP, all NBA season coming.

I never said anything of the sort. (I did think Oladipo was underrated, but I value perimeter defense)

what I did say, a couple of times, was that I did not know what value Indiana placed on Oladipo/Sabonis. After all, they were the ones that made that trade...or was it another team? They did make the trade....isn't it entirely possible they were evaluating the two players they got differently than the pundits who "trashed the trade"? And isn't it possible they thought getting those two players and NOT going thru another 6-8 months of the circus surrounding PG13 leaving Indiana had good value?

You are the one that seems to 'know' what Indiana's front office was thinking. Indiana looks pretty smart now, but I guess it fits your narrative better to suggest they were really stupid then and just lucky now. I mean, after all, they turned down an offer of maybe Harkless, maybe not, so sure, they missed an opportunity according to Quick.....(and LOL at using Quick as your expert witness by the way)

 

[Lanny]

Felton was the master of dribbling off his own foot...in fairness he couldn't see his own foot

Was that because of the donut sticking out of his mouth?

 

[Lanny]

If anyone would know seconds... (sloppy, or otherwise)

We had a different definition of sloppy seconds when I was in college and it was nasty.

 

[Propagandist]

Like I would be pining for validation from someone with your attitude? Feel free to browse through my posting history and analyze my track record on player and fit evaluation... I don't feel the need for external approval. So no, your equivalency is false.



Really, that's a new one to me? I remember most people loving the pairing, especially with CJ in the combo guard role off the bench behind Wes.

Yeah, you were the only one. Great detective work.

 

[CupWizier]

A little stat for you McCollum detractors

The #Blazers have a NRtg of +4.7 with CJ McCollum on the floor this year, his best mark since he started playing starter minutes. They're 10.1 points per 100 better with him on the floor than on the bench

per Casey Holdahl from Basketball Reference stats

 

[PtldPlatypus]

A little stat for you McCollum detractors

The #Blazers have a NRtg of +4.7 with CJ McCollum on the floor this year, his best mark since he started playing starter minutes. They're 10.1 points per 100 better with him on the floor than on the bench

per Casey Holdahl from Basketball Reference stats

And he plays over 90% of his minutes this season with Dame, as contrasted with about 65% the past three years prior. His net rating and on/off court figures improved solely because he's playing more with Dame (numbers also from basketball-reference).

 

[CupWizier]

And he plays over 90% of his minutes this season with Dame, as contrasted with about 65% the past three years prior. His net rating and on/off court figures improved solely because he's playing more with Dame (numbers also from basketball-reference).

So playing with better players isn't a good thing?

 

[wizenheimer]

A little stat for you McCollum detractors

The #Blazers have a NRtg of +4.7 with CJ McCollum on the floor this year, his best mark since he started playing starter minutes. They're 10.1 points per 100 better with him on the floor than on the bench

per Casey Holdahl from Basketball Reference stats

as Mr. Platypus explained, this is all about CJ drafting off of Dame and Nurk (and Aminu)

that single stat is devoid of any meaningful context, I mean, why not at least examine the other starters and compare:

on-court:

Jusuf Nurkic +8.8
Al-Farouq Aminu +6.5
Damian Lillard +5.3
CJ McCollum +4.7
Jake Layman +4.4
Seth Curry +1.6
Maurice Harkless -0.9

on-off:

Jusuf Nurkic +16.6
Damian Lillard +14.3
Al-Farouq Aminu +13.1
CJ McCollum +10.1
Jake Layman +3.8
Seth Curry 0.0
Maurice Harkless -3.3

there are other metrics besides on/off as well

winshares/48:

Damian Lillard .189
Jusuf Nurkic .182
Meyers Leonard .156
Jake Layman .123
Al-Farouq Aminu .120
Zach Collins .107
CJ McCollum .093
Maurice Harkless .093
Evan Turner .056

box plus/minus:

Jusuf Nurkic 5.5
Damian Lillard 5.0
Meyers Leonard 1.5
Al-Farouq Aminu 1.0
Maurice Harkless 0.9
Zach Collins 0.3
Jake Layman 0.0
CJ McCollum -0.7
Evan Turner -1.5

And he plays over 90% of his minutes this season with Dame, as contrasted with about 65% the past three years prior. His net rating and on/off court figures improved solely because he's playing more with Dame (numbers also from basketball-reference).

I'm curious...where exactly did you find those numbers at bbref? that seems like a useful tool

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'm curious...where exactly did you find those numbers at bbref? that seems like a useful tool

The individual player's net rating is under "play-by-play"; the minutes and net rating with a specific teammate is found in "lineups", and the values without said teammate were calculated based on those other figures.

 

[CupWizier]

as Mr. Platypus explained, this is all about CJ drafting off of Dame and Nurk (and Aminu)

that single stat is devoid of any meaningful context, I mean, why not at least examine the other starters and compare:

on-court:

Jusuf Nurkic +8.8
Al-Farouq Aminu +6.5
Damian Lillard +5.3
CJ McCollum +4.7
Jake Layman +4.4
Seth Curry +1.6
Maurice Harkless -0.9

on-off:

Jusuf Nurkic +16.6
Damian Lillard +14.3
Al-Farouq Aminu +13.1
CJ McCollum +10.1
Jake Layman +3.8
Seth Curry 0.0
Maurice Harkless -3.3

there are other metrics besides on/off as well

winshares/48:

Damian Lillard .189
Jusuf Nurkic .182
Meyers Leonard .156
Jake Layman .123
Al-Farouq Aminu .120
Zach Collins .107
CJ McCollum .093
Maurice Harkless .093
Evan Turner .056

box plus/minus:

Jusuf Nurkic 5.5
Damian Lillard 5.0
Meyers Leonard 1.5
Al-Farouq Aminu 1.0
Maurice Harkless 0.9
Zach Collins 0.3
Jake Layman 0.0
CJ McCollum -0.7
Evan Turner -1.5



I'm curious...where exactly did you find those numbers at bbref? that seems like a useful tool

I merely posted what Casey Holdahl posted. I suggest you take it up with him.

 

[wizenheimer]

The individual player's net rating is under "play-by-play"; the minutes and net rating with a specific teammate is found in "lineups", and the values without said teammate were calculated based on those other figures.

thanks....I knew most of it but I really wanted numbers spoon-fed to me so I wouldn't have to work. I'll put you on retainer...check is in the mail

I merely posted what Casey Holdahl posted. I suggest you take it up with him.

not quite....you couldn't help yourself and just had to add a passive/aggressive dig at "CJ detractors"

and, are you saying you're not responsible for things you post?

 

[hoopsjock]

So playing with better players isn't a good thing?

Cup, can you please read the threads where this has already been discussed.

That stat he posted is actually really bad for those trying to make a case for CJ.

 

[illmatic99]

I merely posted what Casey Holdahl posted. I suggest you take it up with him.

Lol this is the kind of shit that made me leave OLive. And you bring it here. Ugh

 

[CupWizier]

Cup, can you please read the threads where this has already been discussed.

That stat he posted is actually really bad for those trying to make a case for CJ.

I'm not going to search through every thread to find something out. If the mods have an issue with my post, then they can move it where they feel it is appropriate.

 

[CupWizier]

Lol this is the kind of shit that made me leave OLive. And you bring it here. Ugh

so are you going to leave S2 now? You post plenty of crap that I don't like or think is appropriate but i don't attack you. I would appreciate the same courtesy. You don't like my posts, put me on ignore and it's taken care of. It won't hurt my feelings but please don't tell me what and how I should post. If you choose to respond to my posts I would also appreciate you discuss the topic and not me.

 

[tester551]

So playing with better players isn't a good thing?

Not when it causes your best player's (Dame's) net rating to drop as a result.

 

[CupWizier]

Not when it causes your best player's (Dame's) net rating to drop as a result.

lol, that is funny.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Sometimes this forum is no different than any Lakers forum.

It's Kobe... i mean Lillard fans against the rest of the Blazers fans.

Even the best of Shooting guards had off nights, nights were they shot 2/12 or played shitty defense so get over it and stop making such a big deal about every mistake he makes.

We could do a lot worse than CJ as our 2nd-3rd banana.
I watch other team's feeds for our games and their commentators drool over our back-court.