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oldmangrouch said:
Just heard a report - 2 2nds and a lotto protected pick for CJ AND Nance? Oh yeah - also a bunch more players irrelevant to the goal of rebuilding around Dame.

Please just trade Dame. He doesn't deserve this.
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Exactly. The cupboards are so bare around him. Yikes
 
B-Roy said:
Getting pounded in the ass for Nurkic. Lol good one
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We're gonna give out large FA contracts for Nurk/Ant/Dame this summer, and work around the margins with our lottery pick (hopefully picks).

I don't have much confidence that this rebuild will last only one season, especially when we made our direct competitors that much better.
 
MickZagger said:
Nurk for Plumlee straight up
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Again, it was a bit of a random account. That said, if a trade were to happen it would very likely not be Plumlee, at least heading to us. It can be argued that Joe doesn't get sufficient value in value in these trades, but it can't be argued that he isn't valuing clearing the books and maximizing space going into next year. Plumlee on the books for $8+ million virtually kills that. You could simply just let Nurk expire and renounce his rights. I would guess that the plan is either to keep Nurk around and re-sign him, or offload him for an equal expiring contract. Anything less than that, and the Blazers would need to be significantly incentivized.
 
illmatic99 said:
We're gonna give out large FA contracts for Nurk/Ant/Dame this summer, and work around the margins with our lottery pick (hopefully picks).

I don't have much confidence that this rebuild will last only one season, especially when we made our direct competitors that much better.
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We are in for a long term rebuild.

The only question is if Dame is gone in a number of months, or will he be around long term similar to Kobe post Achillies.
 
Why should we get rid of Nurk? He's just entering his prime and there's plenty of evidence to suggest he will be much better without CJ.

If we trade Nurk, there's zero hope for this team. With him, we still have one with a chance to do better.

PG - Dame
SG - Simons
SF - Little
PF - ?
C - Nurk

There's a lot of good still left. Keep Nurk. I don't want to see him moved for spare parts.
 
OK -- 1st deal becomes solid IF they can flip Bledsoe
This deal goes from a C plus / B minus deal to a Solid B / B plus - IF they can flip the assets and NO 1st comes to Portland this year

Problem is this -- there is a lot of IF's and it is a pretty big gamble on the Blazers part hoping this all plays out like they hope.

I will give it to Cronin or whoever is making these calls that they are willing to gamble BUT for us fans it's like they threw tightrope over lava and if all this does not work out this sets the team back not a year maybe 2 like now but 3 to 5 plus years and we will prolly lose Dame to a trade demand IF this fails.

This is a scary time to be a Blazers fan and a much as I have been down on some fans after this trade it kind of hit me why fans are so upset cause it is such a gamble and history has shown with NeO and such that this usually ends up for the worst.
 
Cronin is to Olshey as Biden was to Trump or Trump was to Obama... Just a bunch of executive orders, tearing up the work of his predecessor.
 
TBpup said:
Being IN the Play-In, doesn't mean you aren't a Lottery team. WINNING the Play-In would take a team out of being a Lottery team. The Pelicans can be in the Play-In, and as long as they don't advance, we would get the pick unless they got very luck and jumped into the top-4.
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Correct. That's what I meant when I said winning a play-in spot. I should have just stopped at winning a play-in. I can see why you might have misunderstood what I meant.
 
I'm hearing all this complaining about too many guards Portland got back. I don't see that as the case at all.

Satoranksy and Bledsoe are salary filler that will be flipped in 2 days or bought out and renounced. They are as relevant to next season's roster as Blevins.

We don't have a backup guard for next season. NAW on a $5 million deal is fine there.

Hart can play all his minutes at SF next year.

Didi and Keon are late draft pick flyers that aren't close to playing time next season.

The team rightly doesn't care at all how the roster is balanced the rest of this season. The tank is on.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
This is a misleading statement.

Your statement is like saying the Buss family doesn't own the Lakers or Vivek doesn't own the Kings. Yes there are other legal entities or owners involved, as with basically all NBA ownership groups, but those are all legal technicality for lawsuit protection, tax advantages, shares to minorities, or other owner benefits.

Jody is the person who get the financial benefits of the Blazers earning and appreciation, as well as having all ultimate decisions in the team. If that's not ownership, then please educate us on what the hell is.
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The Paul Allen trust owns the Blazers. It is a very different legal entity than an ownership group or a corporation. A trust can have certain conditions and/or restrictions placed on what happens to the assets in the trust.

You have to remember that PA's first big purchase, first love, as a billionaire was the Blazers. It's not unrealistic that he has placed conditions on what can and can't happen to the Blazers.

I'm personally involved in two family trusts and without going into personal details there are detailed conditions assigned to certain assets and when they can be sold and how those funds can be distributed.

While Jody Allen is head of the PA's trust it doesn't mean she is free to do what she wants with the assets in the trust. It's not like PA wasn't somewhat eccentric, he could have placed conditions that the Seahawks or the Blazers can't be sold until they win a championship. He could have placed a condition that the Blazers can't be sold until his buddy Bert Kolde is dead.

I'm just pointing out that there are a ton of assumptions being made that Jody wants to sell or move the team. She very well might want to but that doesn't mean she can.
 
Right now, I’m rooting for both Blazers and Pels to lose as many games as possible .
 
I actually like the trade a lot, as I did the previous trade.

The point for both of these moves is to open up cap space. They'll have $60 million-ish to work with this summer along with a $21 million trade exception. Alexander-Walker and Keon Johnson are both good, young talents. Josh Hart can easily slide in as the team's sixth man and bench leader if they want to give Simons a run at SG. If they want to reload, they now have the cap space to go after a Bradley Beal in FA if they want to take a big swing. And there's no point in being a mediocre team in the NBA. This team isn't competing for a championship right now as constructed, so it makes more sense to tear it down, try to get a high lottery slot, and build back from there.

I could be wrong, they could do NOTHING in FA, wind up getting leaped in the lottery, and blowing it on the draft pick. In which case, I would be much more harsh on these moves.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Hart has a higher true shooting percentage than anyone on the Blazer roster and he's a taller than CJ, Ant, Lillard, and Powell. He could be a very good fit with Lillard.
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What's all this talk about Hart's fit? He's going to get waived in the Summer.

"No money guaranteed in 2022/23, HoopsHype has learned. His contract becomes guaranteed if not waived by June 25, 2022. "
 
AmirIcon said:
Why should we get rid of Nurk? He's just entering his prime and there's plenty of evidence to suggest he will be much better without CJ.

If we trade Nurk, there's zero hope for this team. With him, we still have one with a chance to do better.

PG - Dame
SG - Simons
SF - Little
PF - ?
C - Nurk

There's a lot of good still left. Keep Nurk. I don't want to see him moved for spare parts.
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Its funny when you list the depth chart this way. Its like we cut all of Powell, Roco, CJ, and Nance with nothing in return and you still think theres some sort of hope at contending? You must have thought we were title favorites before the season.

We are rebuilding. The only question is if Dame is months away from traded, or going to ride with the long rebuild like Kobe.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The Paul Allen trust owns the Blazers. It is a very different legal entity than an ownership group or a corporation. A trust can have certain conditions and/or restrictions placed on what happens to the assets in the trust.

You have to remember that PA's first big purchase, first love, as a billionaire was the Blazers. It's not unrealistic that he has placed conditions on what can and can't happen to the Blazers.

I'm personally involved in two family trusts and without going into personal details there are detailed conditions assigned to certain assets and when they can be sold and how those funds can be distributed.

While Jody Allen is head of the PA's trust it doesn't mean she is free to do what she wants with the assets in the trust. It's not like PA wasn't somewhat eccentric, he could have placed conditions that the Seahawks or the Blazers can't be sold until they win a championship. He could have placed a condition that the Blazers can't be sold until his buddy Bert Kolde is dead.

I'm just pointing out that there are a ton of assumptions being made that Jody wants to sell or move the team. She very well might want to but that doesn't mean she can.
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While what you say is true, I'm not sure how it applies to the current situation....unless the terms of the trust require Jody to destroy the value of the franchise and ensure it never has another winning season.
 
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