Trade CJ McCollum to New Orleans

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B-Roy said:
CJ for Sato is an illegal trade. You can't trade 10M for 30M.
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On our end, it's us sending out 30M for 10M, which is absolutely OK.

On the Pels end, they show it as Sato/Hart/NAW/Louzada for CJ, and then Nance/Snell into an existing TPE.

The deal doesn't have to be accounted for identically on both ends, as long as it works in some permutation on both sides.
 
MickZagger said:
Woj says the plan is to now pursue high end talent..

mmmkay. Shouldn’t that always be the pursuit? Now we’re banking on free agent signings? Lol
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Where did Woj say anything about banking on free agents?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
On our end, it's us sending out 30M for 10M, which is absolutely OK.

On the Pels end, they show it as Sato/Hart/NAW/Louzada for CJ, and then Nance/Snell into an existing TPE.

The deal doesn't have to be accounted for identically on both ends, as long as it works in some permutation on both sides.
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Does that not generate two TPEs and not a singular one?
 
B-Roy said:
New Orleans is not under the cap. They have to abide by the 125% rule. Sato makes 10M. CJ 30M. You can't toss the 20M TPE they have into the deal, it can't be combined with other players (ie. SATO)
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TPE's aren't "exchanged". They aren't "tossing a TPE into the deal". They have a TPE, and are using it to bring in Nance and Snell.

Separately (but simultaneously), we are generating a TPE by dealing CJ and only offsetting him with Sato.
 
B-Roy said:
CJ for Sato is an illegal trade. You can't trade 10M for 30M.
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It's legal for us. You can always send out more $$. Like I said, each team can construct the deal any way they like. So we do it that way, and new Orleans does the 125% way.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
PA could have done this when he was alive. I very much doubt he put this as a condition in his trust. If he did why is Jody waiting until now to execute this evil plan? PA passed in 2018. If the trust is requiring her to trash the team I'm betting Lillard would have been traded in 2019.
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Perhaps, but Paul actually enjoyed watching basketball and had every incentive to keep the team as and where it was. I'm sure he knew that Jody didn't share that passion, so it's not inconceivable that he shaped that portion of the trust with her interests in mind.

I'm not even saying I buy it, but the only logical conclusion I can see from this week's trades is a fire sale in preparation for new ownership. And new ownership is at least 50% likely to want to relocate.
 
B-Roy said:
Does that not generate two TPEs and not a singular one?
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It doesn't, because from our perspective, the TPE is simply generated by the difference in contract values between CJ and Sato.
 
Sabonis is going to the Kings!

Shit, even the Kings are doing bigger things than us! Sad, sad day to be a Blazers fan.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
On our end, it's us sending out 30M for 10M, which is absolutely OK.

On the Pels end, they show it as Sato/Hart/NAW/Louzada for CJ, and then Nance/Snell into an existing TPE.

The deal doesn't have to be accounted for identically on both ends, as long as it works in some permutation on both sides.
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The wording is weird but I think the clarification is here:
https://cbabreakdown.com/salary-cap-exceptions

  • Simultaneous trades — For trades of players that occur at the same time, the Traded Player Exception permits a team to take back varying amounts in salary from other teams. Note, the only time a team may aggregate two or more players’ salaries for purposes of calculating the amount of outgoing salary is when they do so in the same transaction. (And this is the only time and the only salary cap exception that can be added together.)

    The amount of salary a team can take back depends on how the trade’s outcome would impact its team salary — would the outcome result in the team (a) still having room (with wiggle room of up to $100,000 above the salary cap), (b) going above the cap but below the tax level (i.e., a non-taxpayer), or (c) going above the cap and the tax level (i.e., a taxpayer)? These scenarios are explained in the examples below, pulled from the NBA’s “CBA 101” primer with additional explanatory notes. Each example assumes that the traded player’s salary is protected in full.
    • Room Scenario —
      • Rule — If a team’s team salary is below the salary cap, then a traded player may be replaced in the same transaction by one or more players whose salaries together do not exceed the team’s room plus $100,000. There are two important points for this rule. First, it means that the complicated salary matching formulas described below do not apply to a team receiving a player into cap space. Second, the CBA allows teams that are below the cap to use the rules for teams over the cap (which they’d do if it works to their advantage).

      • Example — Assume (i) salary cap = $99.093 million, (ii) team salary = $90 million, and (iii) tax level = $119.266 million. A team seeks to trade a $10 million player. That team could replace that player in a simultaneous trade with one or more players making $19.193 million. ($99.093 million minus $90 million, plus $10 million, plus $100,000.)
    • Non-Taxpaying Scenario —
      • Rule — If a team’s post-trade team salary is above the salary cap but below the tax level, then a traded player may be replaced in the same transaction by one or more players whose salaries together do not exceed the greater of (i) the lesser of (A) 175% of the pre-trade salary of the traded player plus $100,000, or (B) the pre-trade salary of the traded player plus $5 million, or (ii) 125% of the pre-trade salary of the traded player plus $100,000.

      • Example (Team A, Non-Taxpayer) — Assume (i) salary cap = $99.093 million, (ii) team salary = $110 million, and (iii) tax level = $119.266 million. Team A seeks to trade a $6 million player. Team A could replace that player in a simultaneous trade with one or more players making $10.6 million. (175% x $6 million, plus $100,000.)

      • Example (Team B, Options) — Make the same assumptions as above, but this time consider the trade from Team B’s perspective. To receive that $6 million player from Team A, Team B could (i) if it’s available, absorb that salary into room, (ii) if it’s available, absorb that player into a pre-existing trade credit (see non-simultaneous examples below), (iii) send out a single player making $10.6 million or less (so that the trade still works from Team A’s perspective), or (iv) aggregate two or more players’ salaries that do not exceed $10.6 million (again so that the trade still works from Team A’s perspective too).
    • Taxpaying Scenario —
      • Rule — If a team’s post-trade team salary would exceed the tax level, then a traded player may be replaced in the same transaction by one or more players whose salaries together do not exceed 125% of the pre-trade salary of the traded player plus $100,000.

      • Example (Team A, Taxpayer) — Assume (i) salary cap = $99.093 million, (ii) team salary = $130 million, and (iii) tax level = $119.266 million. Team A seeks to trade an $8 million player. Team A could replace that player in a simultaneous trade with one or more players making $10.1 million. (125% x $8 million, plus $100,000.)

      • Example (Team B, Options) — Make the same assumptions as above, but this time consider the trade from Team B’s perspective. To receive that $8 million player from Team A, Team B could (i) if it’s available, absorb that salary into room, (ii) if it’s available, absorb that player into a pre-existing trade credit (see non-simultaneous examples below), (iii) send out a single player making $10.1 million or less (so that the trade still works from Team A’s perspective), or (iv) aggregate two or more players’ salaries that do not exceed $10.1 million (again so that the trade still works from Team A’s perspective too).
 
PtldPlatypus said:
It doesn't, because from our perspective, the TPE is simply generated by the difference in contract values between CJ and Sato.
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are you sure....

I think my whole understanding of TPEs has been wrong til now
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Apparently other people feel differently. Just had someone act like Nance was trash replying to me.

What Blazer fans do. Downplay our own players when we lose trades.

We got Nance for a 1st last year and it was widely thought of us great for us. Just because he didn't play great for the short number of games with us doesn't mean he isn't talented.

Just wish we would still have our first and traded DJJ in this deal instead.
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One thing about Nance hasn't he injury majority of his career. You can talent but if your hurt majority of the time who does that help.
 
RR7 said:
It's legal for us. You can always send out more $$. Like I said, each team can construct the deal any way they like. So we do it that way, and new Orleans does the 125% way.
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Interesting wrinkle. I did not know that.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
To say that Lillard doesn't care about winning and only about money is fucking insulting.
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Dame is demanding a record-breaking contract, 5x as much as Michael Jordan made, or he will walk. And you act like he’s playing for free.

Players who care about winning take pay cuts. Dame won’t let go of 1% of his astronomical salary.

if he cares so much about winning he sure doesn’t act like it. He hasn’t won shit.
 
Is one of them Jeremy Lin? I didn't think he was still in the league. Or maybe just a typo?
 
I'm pretty sure Cronin is furiously on the line with Detroit trying to figure out what we need to add to the 20M TPE to fetch Grant.
 
Let's see if I have this.

Sell Low Joe makes a trade that only makes sense if a future trade works out.
Then, he does it again.

Do we have to wait until training camp to find out what we've got?
And people question why I'm getting bored with the team?
 
B-Roy said:
I'm pretty sure Cronin is furiously on the line with Detroit trying to figure out what we need to add to the 20M TPE to fetch Grant.
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With the way we have been trading it wouldn't surprise me if it was the New Orleans pick we just got. Or even our potential lotto pick!

:banghead:
 
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