Rumor claim on offer for Chandler

[PtldPlatypus]

We shouldn't rush things. Just because we think we're better than we thought doesn't mean we have to make reckless moves.
Chandler is a solid player but so is Crabbe and he's not getting any minutes, if we have such a hole behind Batum why isn't he playing? Blake and Kaman are getting older, if CJ develops into a good backup 1 we can let both go after next year. You don't know what's going to happen, don't mortgage the future just because we're doing good right now. T-Rob, Barton and a pick are worth much, much more than Wilson Chandler, if we're offered Kelly Olynyk or some other real talent (preferably young) than I would consider it but for someone who really isn't that much better than Allen Crabbe, why should we make such a trade?

TRob and Will don't appear to be a significant part of "the future", so trading them certainly wouldn't qualify as mortgaging it. As it is, they're below average and replaceable. The fact that we didn't pick up TRob's extension essentially made it a foregone conclusion that he'll be gone after this summer: if he's worth more than $4.5M, we won't be able to match higher offers; if he's not worth $4.5M, then we probably don't need him.

As for the two of them and the pick being worth more than Wilson Chandler, the current trade market suggests otherwise. Assets are only worth what they can be turned into. If they stay here, they won't be turned into anything because (as you said) there's no time available for them to contribute (because they're certainly not playing in front of CJ and Nards). If Olshey can't get a better deal for them than Chandler, I have to assume that it's because other teams aren't willing to give anything better than Chandler.

I'm not arrogant enough to think that I would be able to do Olshey's job better than he can. Rants like yours suggest that you are arrogant enough to think that. Perhaps some self-evaluation is in order.

 

[Blazer4ever]

You say we're deep like it's a negative but that's why I'm telling you Stotts isn't doing his job. All these players: Crabbe, Barton, Claver, T-Rob, they're all very good players. Every one of them can give you a different advantage in specific game situations, last year against the Spurs that big man I don't even remember his name was a big reason they beat us in game 1 and he was like their 11th or 12 player. All of the above mentioned players are also young, they are also used to not getting tons of minutes and if given at least a decent chance could be as effective as Meyers or CJ like they already proved to be. A good coach would make this our advantage, if he juggled the lineups more freely and have these players ready to play we'd be that much better. You want a consolidation move and Chandler is a solid player, I'm not saying he isn't, but so is Crabbe, the only difference is that Chandler is a veteran that Stotts would have no choice but to play him therefore supposedly stabilizing our bench. If you really trust Stotts and his instincts you don't make this move.

 

[Blazinaway]

You say we're deep like it's a negative but that's why I'm telling you Stotts isn't doing his job. All these players: Crabbe, Barton, Claver, T-Rob, they're all very good players. Every one of them can give you a different advantage in specific game situations, last year against the Spurs that big man I don't even remember his name was a big reason they beat us in game 1 and he was like their 11th or 12 player. All of the above mentioned players are also young, they are also used to not getting tons of minutes and if given at least a decent chance could be as effective as Meyers or CJ like they already proved to be. A good coach would make this our advantage, if he juggled the lineups more freely and have these players ready to play we'd be that much better. You want a consolidation move and Chandler is a solid player, I'm not saying he isn't, but so is Crabbe, the only difference is that Chandler is a veteran that Stotts would have no choice but to play him therefore supposedly stabilizing our bench. If you really trust Stotts and his instincts you don't make this move.

your perception of reality of what those players are capable of is very simply way different than mine and many members of this forum, perhaps we should leave it at that

 

[Blazer4ever]

And me believing I could do a better job than Stotts is almost a fact IMO. I do trust Olshey other than that Huge mistake not extending T-Rob but if he makes such a trade I would be 100% sure I'm smarter than him as well. You say I'm arrogant but I believe in myself and believe my eyes, I'm also been watching this team for more than 15 years. I'm not gonna surrender to someone like Stotts surely being smarter than me because... because what?

 

[Blazinaway]

And me believing I could do a better job than Stotts is almost a fact IMO. I do trust Olshey other than that Huge mistake not extending T-Rob but if he makes such a trade I would be 100% sure I'm smarter than him as well. You say I'm arrogant but I believe in myself and believe my eyes, I'm also been watching this team for more than 15 years. I'm not gonna surrender to someone like Stotts surely being smarter than me because... because what?

I'd simply sat "because you've lost touch with reality" and thx for the chuckles!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You say we're deep like it's a negative but that's why I'm telling you Stotts isn't doing his job. All these players: Crabbe, Barton, Claver, T-Rob, they're all very good players. Every one of them can give you a different advantage in specific game situations, last year against the Spurs that big man I don't even remember his name was a big reason they beat us in game 1 and he was like their 11th or 12 player. All of the above mentioned players are also young, they are also used to not getting tons of minutes and if given at least a decent chance could be as effective as Meyers or CJ like they already proved to be. A good coach would make this our advantage, if he juggled the lineups more freely and have these players ready to play we'd be that much better.

You must not have been paying attention this season. Stotts has juggled the lineups quite a bit this year. Mostly due to injury, of course, but even in injury situations, he has been quite creative in deciding who to start (ie, Crabbe starting in place of Batum, or Leonard/Freeland starting before Kaman did). Our bench has seen significant development already this season specifically as a result of that.

You want a consolidation move and Chandler is a solid player, I'm not saying he isn't, but so is Crabbe, the only difference is that Chandler is a veteran that Stotts would have no choice but to play him therefore supposedly stabilizing our bench. If you really trust Stotts and his instincts you don't make this move.

Wright is also a veteran, and Stotts absolutely has a choice in regard to whether to play him, and more often than not chooses not to. The notion that a trade for Chandler is a negative referendum on Stotts' coaching abilities is ludicrous.

 

[RR7]

Because he clearly is. he's coached a team to 54 wins and a 2nd round playoff berth. Have you?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And me believing I could do a better job than Stotts is almost a fact IMO. I do trust Olshey other than that Huge mistake not extending T-Rob but if he makes such a trade I would be 100% sure I'm smarter than him as well. You say I'm arrogant but I believe in myself and believe my eyes, I'm also been watching this team for more than 15 years. I'm not gonna surrender to someone like Stotts surely being smarter than me because... because what?

You've been watching this team for 15 years. Stotts has been playing and coaching at a professional level for over 30. I'm going to give his experience a slight edge over yours.

 

[Blazer4ever]

No, but If I'm able to influence keeping Barton and T-Rob instead of trading them for Wilson Chandler I may have done more for this team than he did, and that's without having the head coaching position.

 

[Strenuus]

And me believing I could do a better job than Stotts is almost a fact IMO. I do trust Olshey other than that Huge mistake not extending T-Rob but if he makes such a trade I would be 100% sure I'm smarter than him as well. You say I'm arrogant but I believe in myself and believe my eyes, I'm also been watching this team for more than 15 years. I'm not gonna surrender to someone like Stotts surely being smarter than me because... because what?

......

......

What?

 

[Blazer4ever]

OK, then why do we even have this website. None of us is a head coach in the league or has been, Stotts has to always be right.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

No, but If I'm able to influence keeping Barton and T-Rob instead of trading them for Wilson Chandler I may have done more for this team than he did, and that's without having the head coaching position.

These are the kinds of posts that really test the "no personal insults" rule.

 

[Blazinaway]

No, but If I'm able to influence keeping Barton and T-Rob instead of trading them for Wilson Chandler I may have done more for this team than he did, and that's without having the head coaching position.

your "influence" - LOL

 

[Scalma]

No, but If I'm able to influence keeping Barton and T-Rob instead of trading them for Wilson Chandler I may have done more for this team than he did, and that's without having the head coaching position.

Lol the delusions

 

[Blazinaway]

These are the kinds of posts that really test the "no personal insults" rule.

no kidding, this is the kind of day I wish I was back at O-live so I could really "let go"

 

[Blazer4ever]

Whatever, I love you all inspite of this.
Keep Barton and T-Rob, re-sign them, Wilson Chandler isn't worth it, he isn't worth one of them. That's my opinion.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

OK, then why do we even have this website. None of us is a head coach in the league or has been, Stotts has to always be right.

There's a massive difference between discussing what we would like to see, might see, or think should happen, and actually claiming that we could do the jobs better than those who have them. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[TBpup]

I like Chandler because he is such a good fit for what this team needs (SF), has a very friendly contract, and is just entering his prime. The person I spoke to has a lot of connections so I don't doubt him but I would add, if Olshey thinks he can get Prince after a buyout and he has convinced Neil he will come here, I'll be Olshey passes on a trade and just picks up Tayshaun for the veteran minimum.

 

[BlazerWookee]

GOD, I love this place.

 

[e_blazer]

no kidding, this is the kind of day I wish I was back at O-live so I could really "let go"

Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door!

I don't care
What they're going to say
Let the storm rage on,
Reality never bothered me anyway!

 

[Strenuus]

OK, then why do we even have this website. None of us is a head coach in the league or has been, Stotts has to always be right.

Hope floats..... somewhere.

 

[Blazinaway]

Let it go, let it go
Can't hold it back anymore
Let it go, let it go
Turn away and slam the door!

I don't care
What they're going to say
Let the storm rage on,
Reality never bothered me anyway!

or,

Those were the days my friend
we'd thought they'd never end
we'd sing and dance (and drink)
forever and a day

we'd choose the posts we want
we'd fight and never care
oh those were the days

 

[e_blazer]

or,

Those were the days my friend
we'd thought they'd never end
we'd sing and dance (and drink)
forever and a day

we'd choose the posts we want
we'd fight and never care
oh those were the days

LOL. Whatever reality turns you on, I guess.

Seriously, though, I love Barton's and TRob's highlight plays as much as anybody. If they had the basketball IQ to actually do something with their athletic ability, they could be awesome players. Unfortunately, they've consistently shown that isn't in their wheelhouse.

 

[magnifier661]

I can't remember, are you the same poster who was crying when we extended Leonard but not Robinson?

Yes he was

 

[magnifier661]

No, I disagree with that. you don't make moves that don't make sense just because you're in contention, you stick with the path that got you to this place, you don't blow up the team, send away two very talented young players for someone who's not a game changer (or a "needle mover") just because you may be in contention right now, that's not a good reason.

How the fuck do you think trading two players hardly getting 2 minutes a game is blowing up the team?!

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Hope floats..... somewhere.

So does poop. What's your point..... FAMS?

 

[PDXFonz]

If we win it all the team is going to fit blazer4evers ring first.

 

[magnifier661]

Wtf is going on in here?!?! For a minute there, I am lead to believe Barton is the next Pippen and Robinson is the next Webber! Then I find out that we have a coach that can take this team and win more than 54 games without any pro experience! I knew Blazer fans were smart, but I was unaware that Phil Jackson was a Blazer fan that posts in here...

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Wow, Blazer4ever has really gotten under some of your skins! While I disagree with several of his comments, some of the retorts are equally invalid.

Scotty Brooks sucks, no matter how far he's gone into the playoffs as a coach.
Ditto for a certain Rockets HOF coach.
Having your team go to the playoffs or playing well doesn't make you a great coach.

Stotts isn't great because he's won in the playoffs or has had 30 years experience. Stotts took a team many die hard blazer fans on these very boards wouldn't be .500 and took them to the 2nd round. Stotts took a mediocre offensive team and made them elite. This year he's done similar things with the defense. Stotts outcoached the rockets in the playoffs - that's huge.

I agree with blazer4ever that I would've liked to see Robinson get a lot of PT. However, none of us has seen the blazers practice everyday - Stotts has. It was totally unexpected to actually have Biebs play well. I was wrong, and I suspect blazer4ever was wrong. too.

 

[Natebishop3]

All these players: Crabbe, Barton, Claver, T-Rob, they're all very good players.

No they're not. They're not even close to "very good players." Very good players get playing time. Robin Lopez is a very good player. Wesley Matthews is a very good player. Victor Claver and Will Barton are not "very good" players. They're not even "good' players. They're just... players. Will has his moments, and he has, at times, shown flashes of potential, but he's a mile away from being "very good" by any measurement.