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Well.. KP targets guys he wants, and doesn't succumb to whoever falls to them. It's a little more acceptable I guess.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
F that. You don't work nearly as hard as Elgin Baylor, but he screwed up regularly.
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And Pritchard's body of work clearly supports that he's bad at his job.

Way to bring in a stupid, non-sequitur into the argument.
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The fact that someone who has a history of making good decisions puts in a lot more time and effort, and has a whole lot more information, is hardly a non sequitur.

"OMG WHY DIDNT KP READ DRAFTEXPRESS...THEN HED NO WHAT A BAD PICK THIS WAS!!11!"

Also, I was responding to oldmangrouch's contention that Pritchard "mailed it in," which implies he put no thought or effort in. So your "non sequitur" accusation is even sillier.
 
I stand corrected.

Ok, there has to be something about Dejuan Blair that's scaring them away (other than the knees), this is ridiculous!
 
Minstrel said:
And Pritchard's body of work clearly supports that he's bad at his job.



The fact that someone who has a history of making good decisions puts in a lot more time and effort, and has a whole lot more information, is hardly a non sequitur.

"OMG WHY DIDNT KP READ DRAFTEXPRESS...THEN HED NO WHAT A BAD PICK THIS WAS!!11!"

Also, I was responding to oldmangrouch's contention that Pritchard "mailed it in," which implies he put no thought or effort in. So your "non sequitur" accusation is even sillier.
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:grin:

Some absolutely mental fucking giants in this thread.

Some of you are fucking crazy. Just plain weird fucking shit house rat crazy.
 
can someone who gets through please copy/paste Claver's DX profile? the site is down for me
 
hasoos said:
If you haven't been paying attention to current events and the moves that contenders are making, then your the one with the intelligence issue.
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I agree we should have drafted Shaq, Carter, and Jefferson at that 22 spot.

Don't you think July is a little more important than this weak fucking draft?
 
number 10 said:
can someone who gets through please copy/paste Claver's DX profile? the site is down for me
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STRENGTHS:
- Off-ball defense
- Potential
- Role-player potential
- Ability to finish around basket
- Athleticism
- Rebounding tools
- 3-point range
- 3-point shooting percentages
- Ability to catch and shoot
WEAKNESSES:
- Ability to get to free throw line
- Mid-range game
- Stuck between 3 and 4
- Inability to create own shot
- Ability to defend position at next level?
- Lateral quickness
- Assertiveness
- Confidence
- Consistency
- Doesn't always play hard
- Mental/Physical toughness?
- Can NBA rookie scale compete financially w/other options?
- Relies too heavily on outside shot
 
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Minstrel said:
And Pritchard's body of work clearly supports that he's bad at his job.



The fact that someone who has a history of making good decisions puts in a lot more time and effort, and has a whole lot more information, is hardly a non sequitur.

"OMG WHY DIDNT KP READ DRAFTEXPRESS...THEN HED NO WHAT A BAD PICK THIS WAS!!11!"

Also, I was responding to oldmangrouch's contention that Pritchard "mailed it in," which implies he put no thought or effort in. So your "non sequitur" accusation is even sillier.
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reread your post:
KP Experience > Poster's Experience => KP = right

to which I responded that, using your "logic"

Elgin Baylor Experience > Just About Anyone's Experience => Elgin = always right

This is an obvious contradiction, Elgin made many more bad decisions that good.

Get it?
 
Well, Blair is here if you want him......
 
How many times can we pass on Blair in this draft? [/quote]

...and that's three. I'm more pissed at passing on Llull at this point.
 
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HEY EVERYONE!

Look at how the rest of the league jumped all over KP's mistake by ALSO passing on Blair!

What the heck is going on here.

30 picks and nobody has drafted the best offensive rebounder in a decade!
 
Wizard Mentor said:
reread your post:
KP Experience > Poster's Experience => KP = right

to which I responded that, using your "logic"

Elgin Baylor Experience > Just About Anyone's Experience => Elgin = always right

This is an obvious contradiction, Elgin made many more bad decisions that good.

Get it?
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But by inductive logic, Elgin's experience was of many, many poor decisions. So Elgin's experience actually counted against him. The reverse is true of Pritchard.

Get it?
 
How many Euro's are left? Since I know we're picking one.
 
number 10 said:
can someone who gets through please copy/paste Claver's DX profile? the site is down for me
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More from DX profile:
Physicals Positions Rankings Salary Misc
H: 6' 10"
W: 218 lbs
Bday: 09/01/1988
(20 Years Old)
Current: PF
NBA: SF/PF
Possible: SF/PF
Round: 2 Pick: 1 in 2009 Mock Draft
Rank 2 in International '88
Rank 27 in Top 100 Prospects
Rank 5 in Draft Eligible SFs
Agent: Bob Myers
DRAFT ELIGIBLE
High School:
Hometown: Valencia, Spain


Basic Per Game Statistics - Comprehensive Stats - Statistical Top 25sYear League Name GP Min Pts FG FGA FG% 2Pt 2PtA 2P% 3Pt 3PtA 3P% FTM FTA FT% Off Def TOT Asts Stls Blks TOs PFs
2008/09 ACB Victor Claver 16 23.0 8.3 2.8 5.3 53.6 1.8 2.7 65.1 1.1 2.6 41.5 1.6 2.3 69.4 0.9 3.6 4.5 0.6 1.1 0.5 1.3 2.1
2008/09 EUROCUP Victor Claver 4 15.5 2.5 1.3 2.8 45.5 1.3 2.3 55.6 0.0 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 0.3 0.8 0.5

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Situational Statistics: This Year's Small Forward Crop
April 24, 2009
No one will ever know how high Victor Claver’s stock could have rose had he not gotten hurt, and we’ll probably have to see if he can bounce back next season before knowing how to fully evaluate his NBA potential.

Claver was the definition of an opportunist before losing the vast majority of his season to a knee injury. Finishing at the rim at a 60% clip (very solid in the competitive Spanish ACB) and shooting 40% from three in catch and shoot situations, the 1988-born forward appeared to be turning the corner on his immense potential. Claver’s midrange game is still lacking, as evidenced by his .44 PPP on pull up jumpers, but the biggest concerns surrounding his game stem from the fact that he turned the ball over on 22.6% of his logged possession in half court settings and was fouled on only 6.4% of his shots, ranking him as the most turnover prone and the second-worst player at drawing fouls in our group. It’s pretty clear what he needs to work on the most this summer—his ball-handling skills. Considering the serious setback he endured, all Claver needs to do to keep his stock high going into next summer is prove that he hasn’t lost any of his considerable athleticism and continue shooting the ball at an excellent clip.
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European Roundup: Claver Showing his Stuff
November 22, 2008
While Ricky Rubio is unquestionably the top NBA prospect in the ACB, Victor Claver has given scouts a very good reason to continue to head to Spain this season, despite Rubio’s continuous absence. After getting his first taste of ACB basketball in 2006, Claver saw consistent minutes last year with Pamesa Valencia. While his production was solid (albeit inconsistent) considering he was only 19, Claver has taken his game to a completely different level this season despite having the added pressure of being one of Pamesa’s go-to players.

The name of the game for Claver has always been confidence (he’s been criticized for being passive and underachieving at times), and he’s been riding a rollercoaster this year, but still finds himself amongst the ACB’s most efficient players. At 6’10, with a developing frame, Claver has the size to play power forward and the quickness and skill set to play out on the perimeter. While he has seen a lot of time at power forward in the past, this season marked his first opportunity to see extensive minutes at small forward. His transition from backup four to starting three has looked very encouraging at times, and is clearly hugely beneficial to his NBA stock.

Though he started out the season on an absolute tear from the outside, putting up big numbers in the first three rounds of the season before dropping 23 on MMT Estudiantes in round four, he followed up that game with 19 combined points and ice cold shooting in his next three contests. After consecutive losses to significantly less talented opponents in Menorca and Ricoh Manresa is rounds 5 and 6, Valencia let go both Head Coach Fotis Katsikaris and General Manager Johnny Rogers. With Croatian coach Neven Spahija now on board, Claver’s fortunes seems to have taken a turn for the better after quality outting in back to back games against ACB powers Unicaja Malaga and Real Madrid.

In a round eight contest against Unicaja, Claver paced Pamesa with 19 points on 3-4 shooting from the field, 4-5 from three, and 1-3 from the line to go along with 4 rebounds, 2 blocks, and a steal. He started the game by running off the back screen for an easy alley-oop before raining a couple of catch and shoot jumpers from the outside. His other baskets came from quick moves to the rim for acrobatic finishes, largely characteristic of his offensive game at this point.

In Pamesa’s round nine game against Real Madrid, Claver looked like a completely different player, going 0-6 from three, but still managing 8 points and 10 rebounds. This game offered a glimpse of the type of player he can be as a power forward when his shot isn’t falling, an example of the inside ability he hasn’t gotten a chance to showcase very often this season.

While he has played well recently, there may still be more changes coming in Valencia. Although Claver’s increased role has done a lot for his development, it seems that Pamesa may not be entirely satisfied with his production thus far. They have been linked recently to names like Gabe Muoneke and Marc Salyers, both combo forwards who would fill similar roles to Claver in many situations. Whether they choose to sign another player could determine what position Claver plays the rest of this season, and where he winds up in the future.

The first thing that jumps out about Claver’s game this is just how opportunistically he plays his position offensively. With two talented guards that love to shoot or break their defender down off the dribble in Ruben Douglas and Shammond Williams playing next to him, Claver often finds himself receiving the ball with an open look or with his defender off balance. While his silky smooth three point shot (he’s ranked seventh in 3FG% in our ACB database) has been his calling card this season, he’s experienced more than his fair share of struggles.

When Claver is making his shots, he’s a force, but his confidence tends to wane when he misses his first couple of jumpers. At times he’ll get tentative, but against Real Madrid he continued to try and get going. While he didn’t see positive results, it’s a good sign that he didn’t take himself out of the game entirely like he did in rounds three through six. 50% of Claver’s attempts from the field this season have come from beyond the arc, and he’s making 54% of them so far, while hitting 61% of his overall shots.

In addition to showing vastly improved consistency from the outside, Claver has also been more aggressive putting the ball on the floor when he sees an opportunity to get to the rim. He shows an explosive first step and is capable of playing above the rim, but is still learning to finish consistently.

What makes Claver such an opportunist is how well he picks and chooses his spots when attacking the rim. He almost never forces a drive or a shot from the perimeter, seeming to only shoot when open and only drive when he knows he can go straight to the rim. This was apparent against Unicaja, where Claver was able to beat a slowed player in Carlos Jiminez on a couple occasions, but didn’t even try to get to the rim against the quicker Marcus Haislip. Claver is getting to the free throw line at a pretty poor rate, which is a bit disappointing considering the athletic advantages he enjoys against most matchups.

While his measured style of basketball has helped him put up some gaudy efficiency numbers (he ranks 2nd in the ACB in points per play, 3rd in true shooting percentage, and 2nd in effective field goal percentage while also ranking tenth in PER and EFF amongst qualified players in our database), it still exposes some of his weaknesses.

Claver doesn’t turn the ball over very often because he doesn’t take risks, a characteristic of his game that can be attributed to his inability change directions with the ball in his hands when attacking the rim. He seems more content to give the ball up when he gets cut off, and could definitely stand to become a more dynamic ball-handler to augment his growing perimeter arsenal. At times he shows nice court vision, so getting better at drawing addition defenders could improve his playmaking ability as well. Right now he sports a very poor 1/2 assist to turnover ratio, which definitely needs to improve if he’s to play on the perimeter full time.

Despite having not possessing great lateral quickness, Claver has done a very nice job defending the perimeter this season. His length gives him the ability to tip some passes and he’s not adverse to giving some effort on the defensive end. While he doesn’t garner much attention for his defense, his ability to create turnovers is a very promising sign (he ranks amongst just outside of the top 20 in steals per game). In addition to having the ability to create some turnovers, Claver shows nice anticipation as a help side defender at times, and is a lot more active defensively than most heralded players his age.

That same ability to anticipate also helps him rebound the ball, and while he’s not a standout in that area of the game, his size and athleticism let him make an impact despite spending most of his time defending the perimeter (he ranks 15th in rebounds per game in our database). When Claver does get a chance to defend the post, he shows good fundamentals, but isn’t quite strong enough yet to be a factor. He does a great job boxing out his man, something that helped him quite a bit against a Real Madrid team that features tremendous rebounders in Felipe Reyes and Jeremiah Massey.

Claver’s strong play in his past two games hasn’t necessarily led his team to a win, which is somewhat emblematic of his status as a role-player who doesn’t necessarily change the complexion of the game. While Claver will undoubtedly see his percentages dip and rise as the season goes on, he will need to maintain his confidence and consistency and not let a small step backwards hurt what has become a solid season. With Eurocup play on the horizon, and thus the amount of games doubling from one per week to two, Claver is going to have to deal with a whole new group of challenges, and will have to assume a bigger role in Pamesa’s offense to help the team avoid the letdowns they experienced in the ACB against much more formidable competition. Whether he accomplishes this feat should be reflected in how NBA scouts perceive his stock this summer.
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Wizard Mentor said:
reread your post:
KP Experience > Poster's Experience => KP = right
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Logic fail. I didn't say experience means that Pritchard is "right." I said that in choosing to believe someone with an uninformed opinion and someone with an informed opinion (since we don't know what the "right" pick was, it comes down to who to believe), I'll pick the person with an informed opinion. (That would be Pritchard, the fellow who actually has contacts among all the teams and has shown good judgment in his career, not the angry fan who looked at DraftExpress' mock draft.)

Also, since your reading comprehension skills seem to be failing you, let me repeat this:

I was responding to oldmangrouch's contention that Pritchard "mailed it in," which implies he put no thought or effort in. So your "non sequitur" accusation is even sillier.

Tell me, o exalted logician...does Pritchard's level of effort and research bear on whether he "mailed it in" (i.e. didn't bother putting any effort or research in)?
 
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