OT Cleveland Indians vs. Chicago Cubs series thread..

[Nate]

start a petition then. or quit bitching about it.

Lol. I'm not bitching because I don't give a fuck about a stupid logo, I understand that it doesn't define me as an Irish person. I was stating a fact, that the caricatures of white people are just as offensive, or politically incorrect, or racially insensitive, as the logo for the Cleveland Indians. I'm glad you can finally see that. And I really don't give a fuck if the Cleveland Indians change their logo. I think if they do, they should change it to a picture of Columbus, and call them the Conquistadors just to troll everyone.

 

[Natebishop3]

There are far more than 3 things that decide if you're conservative or not. For example,

I'm not voting for Hilary (she's not a liberal anyways) and I didn't vote for Bernie.

I'm fine with the death penalty.

I think certain rights should be denied to certain people.

Not a fan of the UN.

I'm fine if they re-did the draft (esp now that I'm too old).

I'm fine with the TSA.

I don't like the idea of Eminent Domain.

You didn't disagree when I called you a liberal though, so you would mostly agree that you're liberal? The modern conservative is a bible thumping, morally conservative anti gay rights, anti abortion, anti drug legalization, etc.

You'd be right if you called me a historically conservative voter. Or more accurately an anti-federalist. I want smaller government. That's as far as I go. The GOP is a fucking joke.

 

[julius]

You didn't disagree when I called you a liberal though, so you would mostly agree that you're liberal? The modern conservative is a bible thumping, morally conservative anti gay rights, anti abortion, anti drug legalization, etc.

You'd be right if you called me a historically conservative voter. Or more accurately an anti-federalist. I want smaller government. That's as far as I go. The GOP is a fucking joke.

I don't consider the bible thumping blah blah what you said as being conservative. Thats whack job.

 

[dviss1]

Today at school I heard two teachers talking, one of them said he was rooting against Cleveland because he "took exception" to their logo, the other responded with "oh yeah, it's totally racist". Does anybody else think so? It's obviously not racist, based on the definition of the word. But racially insensitive maybe? I can see why people dont like the Washington red skins name. No one likes being called a white skin, or a yellow skin, or a black skin, or a brown skin. But I really don't see how the Cleveland Indians is racially insensitive (RI) at all.. are the Minnesota Vikings RI? The New England patriots? The Boston celtics? I could go on and on...

Is this racist?

 

[dviss1]

How exactly is this not a caricature?

Were all vikings a bunch of blonde white guys with huge horns on their helmets? It's a stereotype of a historically significant culture that has relevance to that area.

I get your sentiment. But I think that's a pretty honorable "caricature".

The MF's name is Chief Wahoo.

 

[dviss1]

What negative stereotype is chief wahoo portraying? A big nose?

The fact that you have to ask this question speaks volumes.

His skin is BEET red....

 

[Natebishop3]

I get your sentiment. But I think that's a pretty honorable "caricature".

The MF's name is Chief Wahoo.

Sports are kinda ridiculous though man.

The mascot for the 49ers is a caricature of white miners in the 1800s.

The Seminoles have what isn't meant to be disrespectful at all...... but it's a white dude dressed up like a Seminole.

 

[dviss1]

But the heart of that issue is that white people don't find drawings of white people, or caricatures of white people, to be offensive. There's a reason why comedians have open season on white jokes. We don't give a shit. We aren't sensitive about insults about our race. We just kinda laugh and nod our head and move on. As he pointed out, the Celtics logo is a caricature of an Irish person. Does anyone give a shit? Fuck no.

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"Oh, you called me a cracker... Well I'll just get back to owning land and people."

- Louis C.K.

 

[Natebishop3]

"Oh, you called me a cracker... Well I'll just get back to owning land and people."

- Louis C.K.

Just my opinion, but I think white people have stronger tries to nations and ancestry in terms of where you came from. Not so much in the color of our skin. The French and the British hated each other. They were both white. The French hated the Germans. Hell, the Scottish hated the English and they were on the same fucking island. When you get to America, you see the south hating the north. New York hating Boston. We're very border-centric.

 

[dviss1]

Sports are kinda ridiculous though man.

The mascot for the 49ers is a caricature of white miners in the 1800s.

The Seminoles have what isn't meant to be disrespectful at all...... but it's a white dude dressed up like a Seminole.

The 49er looks stupid but racist? Why are we forgetting that white people created all this shit? See you can make fun of yourselves (that's why nigga is a word that belongs to us exclusively). But to make fun of other races is wrong. If Natives (they were here before it was called America) owned theteam I could accept it more. The white guy needs to get outta that getup.

 

[dviss1]

Just my opinion, but I think white people have stronger tries to nations and ancestry in terms of where you came from. Not so much in the color of our skin. The French and the British hated each other. They were both white. The French hated the Germans. Hell, the Scottish hated the English and they were on the same fucking island. When you get to America, you see the south hating the north. New York hating Boston. We're very border-centric.

Silly. This was before the construct of "white" even existed.

 

[riverman]

Just my opinion, but I think white people have stronger tries to nations and ancestry in terms of where you came from. Not so much in the color of our skin. The French and the British hated each other. They were both white. The French hated the Germans. Hell, the Scottish hated the English and they were on the same fucking island. When you get to America, you see the south hating the north. New York hating Boston. We're very border-centric.

damned Californians!

 

[riverman]

I say if you have a problem with the Cleveland cartoon logo....CHEER FOR THE CUBS!!!!!! We've all been cartooned at some point or another....look at barfo's avatar...mine's even worse..I have the dumb hat

 

[dviss1]

Anyone? Answer the question. Is it racist or not? I really want to hear the argument that it's not...

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Anyone? Answer the question. Is it racist or not?

I actually kinda like it.

 

[dviss1]

I actually kinda like it.

Answer the question. I'd really like to hear @Natebishop3's take.

 

[riverman]

Anyone? Answer the question. Is it racist or not? I really want to hear the argument that it's not...

I don't put cartoons in the category of derogatory racism but of course physical stereotypes are racist if one is offended....Looney Tunes is filled with racist or derogatory portrayals...Pepe le Pew...Alice the Goon...Porky Pig...must have played hell with folks with speech impediments...you could basically get really politically correct about it and ban all cartoons for exaggerated profiling...personally..I don't have a problem if someone draws a cartoon of Midwestern dairy farmers

 

[Strenuus]

I don't mean to break up the racism argument but I do want to take a second to be the mirror of @Strenuus

Baseball sucks. I haven't watched a second of it on purpose because it's the worst major team sport in existence. I'm very proud of myself for not watching the world series, it means I'm cooler than all of you that watch this shitty sport.

*bakes you cookies*

 

[riverman]

Go Cubs!!

 

[Strenuus]

Go Cubs!!

I love and hate Game 7's of the WS. Love them because... I mean, that's obvious. But after the last out, no more baseball for 5 months. :MARIS61:

 

[dviss1]

I don't mean to break up the racism argument but I do want to take a second to be the mirror of @Strenuus

Baseball sucks. I haven't watched a second of it on purpose because it's the worst major team sport in existence. I'm very proud of myself for not watching the world series, it means I'm cooler than all of you that watch this shitty sport.

I'm only watching because of the Cubs. I hate baseball too.

What fucking sport has it so the Defense controls the ball? Stupid.

 

[Strenuus]

I'm only watching because of the Cubs. I hate baseball too.

What fucking sport has it so the Defense controls the ball? Stupid.

Defense controls the ball when the offense throws it away in Football.

 

[dviss1]

Lol. I'm not bitching because I don't give a fuck about a stupid logo, I understand that it doesn't define me as an Irish person. I was stating a fact, that the caricatures of white people are just as offensive, or politically incorrect, or racially insensitive, as the logo for the Cleveland Indians. I'm glad you can finally see that. And I really don't give a fuck if the Cleveland Indians change their logo. I think if they do, they should change it to a picture of Columbus, and call them the Conquistadors just to troll everyone.

I think what most of you are losing sight of is the fact that it's ok to make fun of your own racial stereotypes. It's not (in most instances) ok to make fun of others.

White people created all these logos.

Now if y'all wanna act like the Indians (the name alone is STUPID and wrong) mascot is not racist, I fear our country has farther to go than I thought.

 

[dviss1]

Defense controls the ball when the offense throws it away in Football.

But then they're on offense lol.

 

[dviss1]

Defense controls the ball when the offense throws it away in Football.

Main reason why Basketball is the best sport. You play on both sides of the ball.

 

[Nate]

Is this racist?

Just as racist as every other caricature of a white person. Or non white person.

 

[riverman]

What fucking sport has it so the Defense controls the ball

I'd say Hockey and Soccer to start....I love baseball..it's a chess match ...playing the angles. Bases loaded bottom of the ninth down 3 full count....bingo ...grand slam home run....great sport

 

[riverman]

Main reason why Basketball is the best sport. You play on both sides of the ball.

pitchers need to bat for both leagues though...it's a problem with the series

 

[Nate]

The fact that you have to ask this question speaks volumes.

His skin is BEET red....

I guess I don't think having skin color, other than white, is offensive.

 

[noknobs]

Hard to believe the Cubs last won it all 5 years after the Wright Brothers first took to the air. In 5 hours they can do something they haven't done in 946,080 hours. Hard not to root for them.