Climate change and wildfire in the Pacific Northwest

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Absolutely, Denny attacks so much of the science out there and then throw out a meaningless fact like it means something.

That's the beauty of not believing in science. You are then free to believe whatever the hell you want, without any constraints.

It's freedom of religion, just like the founding fathers intended.

barfo
 
This appears to me to be one piece of information without the rest. How many days have been 80 - 90? What has been happening to the mean temp? What has been happening to the cold days, have they been warming? For those days that do break 90, are they going higher than they had in the past?

It's fine to point that out, I assume it's relevant. But it also must be understood in relation to many other variables. It's possible for your statement to be totally true and still have global climate change affected by humans, even global warming. I am not a climate scientist, I don't know all the facts, nor do I understand how all those facts come together. That's why we build those models, to try and understand all the complications.

You talked about extreme temperatures. That's a graph of the extremes.
 
Wildfires situation not letting up:

ASHLAND, Ore. (AP) — Oregon residents in a community near Ashland were told Thursday evening to leave their homes immediately as a wildfire spread rapidly across grassland in southwest Oregon and lightning sparked two new large fires.

The growth of the Oregon Gulch fire forced the Jackson County sheriff's office to issue an evacuation notice. The fire burned about 3,000 acres in the Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument on Thursday evening, said Brian Ballou, a spokesman with the state Department of Forestry.

The lightning-sparked fire was reported at about 100 acres earlier in the day. It grew significantly through the day, fueled by swirling winds and extremely dry conditions, Ballou said.

Ballou said he wasn't sure how many people live in the sparsely-populated ranching area, but he estimated it could be a few dozen people.

"Everybody is evacuating," Tracie Gibson, a resident at Fall Creek Ranch, told the Mail Tribune.

Lightning sparked two new large wildfires in the southwest and central parts of the state. The Beaver Complex, which includes the Oregon Gulch fire, is burning about 20 miles northwest of Medford. The Haystack Complex is burning about 9 miles northwest of Kimberly in central Oregon.

At the regional fire center in Portland, spokeswoman Carol Connolly said Thursday morning that more than 40 small fires were reported in the previous 24 hours. Nearly 500,000 acres — about 780 square miles — are burning in the state.

Hot weather remains in the forecast, and officials expect lightning and thunderstorms to ignite more new fires.
 
Wildfires situation not letting up:

ASHLAND, Ore. (AP) — Oregon residents in a community near Ashland were told Thursday evening to leave their homes immediately as a wildfire spread rapidly across grassland in southwest Oregon and lightning sparked two new large fires.

The growth of the Oregon Gulch fire forced the Jackson County sheriff's office to issue an evacuation notice. The fire burned about 3,000 acres in the Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument on Thursday evening, said Brian Ballou, a spokesman with the state Department of Forestry.

The lightning-sparked fire was reported at about 100 acres earlier in the day. It grew significantly through the day, fueled by swirling winds and extremely dry conditions, Ballou said.

Ballou said he wasn't sure how many people live in the sparsely-populated ranching area, but he estimated it could be a few dozen people.

"Everybody is evacuating," Tracie Gibson, a resident at Fall Creek Ranch, told the Mail Tribune.

Lightning sparked two new large wildfires in the southwest and central parts of the state. The Beaver Complex, which includes the Oregon Gulch fire, is burning about 20 miles northwest of Medford. The Haystack Complex is burning about 9 miles northwest of Kimberly in central Oregon.

At the regional fire center in Portland, spokeswoman Carol Connolly said Thursday morning that more than 40 small fires were reported in the previous 24 hours. Nearly 500,000 acres — about 780 square miles — are burning in the state.

Hot weather remains in the forecast, and officials expect lightning and thunderstorms to ignite more new fires.

Yep, wildfires suck. I've been to my cabin in S. Oregon some years where you couldn't see to the other end of Lake of the Woods. What that has to do with AGW/ACC, I have no idea.
 
Yep, wildfires suck. I've been to my cabin in S. Oregon some years where you couldn't see to the other end of Lake of the Woods. What that has to do with AGW/ACC, I have no idea.

About as much as Obama having Katy Perry at the white house. :)
 
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Just last year, the 'models' predicted even more water loss from the Great Lakes. Instead of dropping further, they are rising rapidly. How did the 'models' get this so wrong?

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/64975

Lake Superior, the Great Lakes and Europe Defy Climate Experts

A little over one year ago, The New York Times and USA Today were reporting that the Great Lakes hit all time lows in water levels. According to those reports, Lake Huron and Lake Michigan were 29 inches below their average measurements taken since 1918. Scientists warned communities that they could only expect more tragedy with the Great Lakes. With a lack of rain from climate change, they told everyone to expect levels to continue to drop. (1)

n an April 2013 report from the International Joint Commission, a group with members from the United States and Canada that advises on water resources, said their five-year study concluded that water levels in the lakes were likely to drop even farther, in part because of the lack of precipitation in recent years brought on by climate change. (2)

Yet, after this warning that the Great Lakes were in serious trouble and to expect lower water levels, they’ve encountered quite the surprise.

This is a development that has startled scientists and thrilled just about everybody with a stake in the waterfront, including owners of beach houses, retailers in tourist areas and dockmasters who run marinas on the lake shore. (2)

Lakes Michigan, Huron and Superior are at least a foot higher than they were a year ago, and are expected to rise three more inches over the next month. Lake Ontario and Lake Erie are seven to nine inches higher than a year ago.

Climate scientists cannot ignore the rapid increase of water levels that has occurred in the Great Lakes since the conclusion of the study mentioned above. And contrasted to their damning report of low water levels a year ago, The New York Times reported that levels are rising at a remarkable rate. (1)

Scientists partially attribute the rise in water levels to the frigid winters and abundance of rain in the Midwest, but climate change researchers failed to predict the dramatic reversal of trends. (1)

Ironically, here is a report just a week before the rising levels were noted:

If the low water levels recorded in the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence River in recent years continue for sustained periods, the long-term impact on the region’s economy could reach more than $20 billion Canadian dollars by 2050.” One politician wanting to emphasize his knowledge of climate said, “Climate change is real, it’s happening today, the potential economic impact of climate change particularly on water levels is significant.” (3)

Then there are the winters. One of the coldest winters on record covered most of the Great Lakes with ice this past year, including an entirely iced-over Lake Superior, and it took a while for it to melt. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) declared on June 12 that the Great Lakes total ice cover finally reached 0% . This year was the longest ice has been seen on Lake Superior in 40 years of NOAA records. (4)

The Great Lakes hit the second-highest ice coverage on record on March 6 with 92% of the five lakes covered in ice. Temperatures in the Great Lakes region averaged 7 degrees below normal from January 1 to April 1. More than a third of the Great Lakes remained covered in ice by mid-April this year, and that caused problems for shipping. The Coast Guard was out on the lakes breaking up ice from early December through spring. (4)

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References

Hannah Bleau, “Climate change ‘experts’ didn’t see this coming: rising water levels in the great lakes,” dailycaller.com, July 2, 2014
2. Julie Bosman, “Creeping up on unsuspecting shores: the Great Lakes, in a welcome turnaround,” The New York Times, June 28, 2014
3. Clare Clancy, “Low Great lakes water levels could cost Canada and US billions; report,” The Canadian Press, June 26, 2014
4. Meg Jones, “Brrr-ing on summer! Ice on Lake Superior is finally gone,” Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, June 12, 2014
5. Session on “All Things Cold- Ice Age Conditions, The Cryosphere and Recent Cold Winters,” 9th International Conference on Climate Change, Heartland Institute, July 7-9, 2014
6. Doyle Rice, “Cold? What cold? Most of the globe had a mild winter,” usatoday.com, March 20, 2014
7. Kate Ravilious, “Climate change brings colder winters to Europe and Asia,” environmental researchweb.org, January 23, 2013
8. Pierre Gosselin, “German meteorologist Dominik Jung: Climate experts’ forecasts changing as fast as the weather,” notrickszone.com, July 30, 2014
 
Up to date report:

The scope and intensity of the California blazes, three of them sparked by dry lightning as the state copes with a severe drought, was comparable to the fire activity the state doesn't usually see until September, California Department of Forestry and Fire protection Dennis Mathisen said.

The fires were burning as far south as the Sierra National Forest, about 70 miles from where another blaze sparked evacuations in and around Yosemite National Park earlier in the week, and as far north as the state border, where a blaze that began in southern Oregon had consumed 5.5 square miles and threatened about two dozen homes in California's Siskiyou County.

The Day Fire in Modoc County had burned 12,500 acres and was only 15% contained by Saturday afternoon, according to CalFire.

"When we pop one or two fires at a time, that's one thing, but when you get dry lightning strikes that pop up all over the place, that's when things become a challenge," Mathisen said.

Thirty fires were reported in Oregon over 24 hours, the Central Oregon Interagency Dispatch Center said Saturday.

http://www.weather.com/news/update/california-oregon-washington-wildfires-20140802
 
It rained in San Diego overnight. Global warming!
 
In fact, the problems on the shallowest of the five Great Lakes brought on by farm runoff and sludge from sewage treatment plants have been building for more than a decade.

So says scientists. We can't trust them. They have some sort of a hidden agenda.
 
Now scientists are saying people can't drink water from Lake Erie, lol.

Fucking scientists.

I recommend against that. They are all like 'That took exactly 37.2 seconds, and I reached only 0.04% of my peak arousal. Perhaps you'd like to try a few more times so we have better statistics?'

barfo
 
It rained in San Diego overnight. Global warming!

Good to see your getting a lot of rainfall out there is So Cal and water isn't a problem, must mean there is no global warming.

Los Angeles (AFP) - Lush green lawns, a symbol of the American way of life, are under attack in California, where "cash for grass" programs have sprouted like weeds amid a severe drought.

With the western US state struggling to conserve water, locals are re-landscaping their outdoor spaces as attitudes shift about what constitutes an attractive yard.

And municipal monetary incentives -- reflecting the dire circumstances depleting reservoirs and underground aquifers -- are making it that much easier for many to make the switch.

Los Angeles, for example, is offering $3 for every square foot of grass that is replaced with more water-efficient options such as drought-tolerant plants, rocks and pebbles.

 
I remember in the late '80s or early '90s we hade severe drought conditions.

The rich paid the penalties and watered their lawns.

I was doing some work in Culver City and they had sprinklers on, watering the grass on the medians. To me this was a big deal because we had to ration up north so they could water medians in so cal?

And later, there was no drought. Like last year there wasn't one.

Tho places I've lived here generally see just 14" of rainfall a year, normally.
 

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